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5 Oz. Exclusive: UFC’s huge announcement revealed; plans for New York regulation delayed

judge.jpgFiveOuncesOfPain.com was informed by an anonymous source earlier this afternoon that the committee for Tourism, Arts, and Sports Development of New York held a vote on Wednesday to decide whether the state should regulate Mixed Martial Arts.

According to the source, the bill was voted down in overwhelming fashion.

An anonymous member of a major state athletic commission confirmed the information that was provided to Five Ounces Of Pain by our initial source.

This web site has also learned that the possible legalization of Mixed Martial Arts in the state of New York was the planned announcement that UFC president Dana White had hinted at during an interview that was published on ESPN.com last week.

According to a source, White was confident that the vote was going to pass and believed he had assurances that the proposed bill would be approved by the committee for Tourism, Arts, and Sports Development of New York. However, the proposal was unexpectedly voted down for reasons that are not yet clear. In a strange turn of events, it is believed that the chair of the committee, Assemblyman Steve Englebright, who introduced the proposal, ended up voting against it.

Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer reported earlier that White’s major announcement, which had been planned for Thursday, had been moved to Tuesday. According to a third anonymous source, the vote for the MMA bill was conducted towards the tail end of session earlier today.

The bill was not passed in large part because of opposition from both sides. However, according to our source, a republican committee member “picked up the bill” and applied pressure after the session to have the vote passed. In another unusual development, several committee members, primarily republican but also a few democrat, attempted to change their vote.

Because of the attempt to change votes, it was decided that the bill will be placed on the agenda again early next week. Such a decision to put a bill back on the agenda so quickly after it had been voted down was described as “highly irregular.”

As it stands, it’s still possible that White will be able to make his huge announcement as planned on Tuesday as there has been a major swing in support for the bill.

152 COMMENTS
  • bjjdenver says:

    What about Mayweather, lol!!

    Seriously, this makes a lot of sense and would not surprise me a bit if true.

    Funny how they think mma is to brutal for MSG, but they allow the Knicks to play there!

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  • Evan says:

    Their really trying to grow the sport

    Zuffa owns this site by the way

    http://www.mmafacts.com/

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  • Cobra Kai says:

    How does this affect where the sport is heading in the next 5 years? Will sanctioning in New York somehow give fighters pay raises and bring droves of new fans into the sport?

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  • Bruce Lee says:

    Who Cares????
    Dana is a Premature Ass!
    So what if it’s legal in NY??? Why is that a “Huge Deal”????/

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  • Cobra Kai says:

    Also, if this is the case, why is Dana renting out a place to announce this to his employees first? Guess what guys, we got another state to have events!!!! Let’s party!!!

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  • RealDrew says:

    Dana better be announcing a mega fight happening at MSG by the end of the year or this is yet another overblown tease by Dana White.

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  • bjjdenver says:

    CK, I think they were expecting an approval by NY, to lead to mma being legalized just about everywhere. In that aspect, they may be correct. NY is also still very much a boxing city, and having mma there and in a storied building like MSG, could help the mainstream popularity of the sport, imo.

    Otherwise, I have failed to see what the big deal is about NY. Having shows across the river is not that big of a difference financially, i wouldn’t think.

    Please correct me if I am way off base here.

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    I’d love to hear more on this. For example, why the opposition? Was there pressure from specific groups or persons, and if so, who were they? Why the strong support from Republicans, and less support from Democrats?

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  • JoHn says:

    how rediculous for any state to turn down the bill, especially considerring the growth of the sport.. any state that says no to this is obsurd, trump should make a few phone calls and help the ufc, since they have already laid the rest of the states and the ground work for the sport, they should step in and help out as much as possible instead of riding the coattails of dana and company,,,, WAR DANA

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  • RealDrew says:

    Hey Mike, Bloodyelbow.com has a some more information.

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/6/11/550030/lift-the-ban-watch-bill-to#comments

    Looks like there was more support from the republicans but was resisted from people on both sides.

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  • JoHn says:

    first of all, the #1 republican Mccain is now an mma supporter, where as he was once the #1 opposition to the sport and the reason the sport was basically illegal in most states

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  • Bruce Lee says:

    NEWS FLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The Big News is:

    DANA IS RANDYS BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “FILM AT 11:00″

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  • Mike says:

    So we’re also hearing on various that this bill actually passed, 11-9. Which report is right, and if this report isn’t correct, shouldn’t getting it right be more important than getting it first?

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  • Patrick says:

    Well we can use this as a lesson. When Dana gets excited about something, its because it helps his wallet. Bud Light was a big deal to him, it did nothing for us. Its good if MMA is legal in NY, but really not that big. So they can organizations put shows on in NY, and the UFC can do one in Madison Square Garden. There are plenty of guys form NY that fight, they just don’t do it in NY yet. Thats nice that a different 15-20000 people can go see the show live in NY as opposed to Los Angeles of Las Vegas. But to the millions of people who watch cards on tv or ppv none of that matters. The cage is the same, the rules are the same, you can make the match ups anywhere. To me the merchandising deal yesterday was bigger news than this.

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  • Zack with a ck says:

    This announcement doesn’t fit at all with what he says in the ESPN article. “the deal is already signed” “the next five years” etc.

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  • seth b says:

    ok, this is driving me nuts. What movie is that judge from?

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  • cyph says:

    Dana White has over promised and under delivered again. How does this blow our mind? And even if it did, wouldn’t it help if he was sure it’s going to pass? Fool me once, shame on me…

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  • KS says:

    This doesn’t make sense. A positive vote for MMA in a House (Assembly in NY) COMMITTEE doesn’t legalize the sport in the state. It only a recommendation that the full assembly vote on the issue; and if passed there it goes to the State Senate for it’s approval and then the Governor to sign it into law.

    Bad news for MMA in the State of NY for sure. But a long way from a done deal even if the committee had a unanimous recommendation in favor of MMA.

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  • Zack with a ck says:

    he was the neighbor on the jeffersons

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  • Eric says:

    I think if it gets legalized in New York it is easier to get it legalized in other states. Other states, like Massachusetts, would look at the fact that New York legalized it and that would sway their decision. New York is huge. It’s not like Maine was going to legalize MMA, no one cares about Maine. But for New York to step up and make it legal I think would be huge. I don’t see how it revolutionizes the sport and changes things for the next five years, but maybe he was thinking that in 5 years time every state would make MMA legal. Hopefully by next week the UFC can throw some money around and get that bill passed.

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  • Two Toes says:

    “ok, this is driving me nuts. What movie is that judge from?”

    From that Marisa Tomei and Joe Pesci movie I think. Name escapes me atm though.

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  • Eric says:

    I think if it gets legalized in New York it is easier to get it legalized in other states. Other states, like Massachusetts, would look at the fact that New York legalized it and that would sway their decision. New York is huge. It’s not like Maine was going to legalize MMA, no one cares about Maine. But for New York to step up and make it legal I think would be huge. I don’t see how it revolutionizes the sport and changes things for the next five years, but maybe he was thinking that in 5 years time every state would make MMA legal. Hopefully by next week the UFC can throw some money around and get that bill passed.

    PS- Any ideas on why my comments don’t post automatically? Do they have to be approved first? Am I on a special list?

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  • HexRei says:

    @#14 My cousin vinnie?

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  • Evan says:

    “Dana White has over promised…. ”

    How is that over promising? Thats huge for MMA.

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  • cyph says:

    Vinny Gambini: It is possible that the two yutes…
    Judge Chamberlain Haller: …Ah, the two what? Uh… uh, what was that word?
    Vinny Gambini: Uh… what word?
    Judge Chamberlain Haller: Two what?
    Vinny Gambini: What?
    Judge Chamberlain Haller: Uh… did you say ‘yutes’?
    Vinny Gambini: Yeah, two yutes.
    Judge Chamberlain Haller: What is a yute?

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  • cyph says:

    How is that over promising? Thats huge for MMA.

    If that blew your mind, then great. For most of us, it’s still no free MMA, no free UFC, and most of all, no growth of MMA, except for money stream for the UFC.

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  • seth b says:

    That’s it! My cousin Vinny. Thanks all, now I can get back to work…

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  • Evan says:

    “PS- Any ideas on why my comments don’t post automatically? Do they have to be approved first? Am I on a special list?”

    Not sure but I posted a link eariler that didn’t work.

    This is a site that Zuffa owns and is trying to help MMA grow. mmafacts.com

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  • Eric says:

    #19
    No growth for MMA? Wouldn’t this start the chain of events where it is legalized in every state, thus allowing more fans to attend events, more people to become fans, more people to be exposed to MMA? That would grow the sport significantly.

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  • Evan says:

    “no growth of MMA, ”

    getting sanctioned in NY isn’t growing?

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  • johnnyrev says:

    Left field ? Next five years ? this is not a major announcement my friends. Either we have been duped or he is Milking it folks …. either way looks like I wont be calling all my friends thursday night …grrrr….. one last thing is it me or does it totally blow having EXC being the only company doing live fights on TV ?? come UFC get with it i think a Number close to 15 million for a excellent FREE UFC card is realistic

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  • Kuch says:

    My COusin Vinny has Fred Gwynn as the judge (Herman Munster).

    That doesn’t look like him.

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  • cyph says:

    I’m going to make an announcement next week that is going to blow people’s minds.

    Mind not blown.

    That deal is done, but my employees don’t even know yet.

    Not even voted on yet. How is that done?

    I’m renting out a place next Thursday and I’m going to tell them.

    Rent out a place just to tell employees that NY sanctioned MMA? How does that help the UFC that he has to rent out a place? Doesn’t that help EliteXC and Affliction as well?

    It’s an indicator of where this business is going over the next five years.

    If this isn’t over promising and ridiculous hyperbole, then I don’t know what is.

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  • Eric says:

    24-
    UFC is doing live fights next Saturday the 21st. TUF finale.

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  • [...] Sam Caplan over at Five Ounces has won the race to figure out what the fuck the UFC’s big announcement was going to be: MMA’s legalization in the state of New York. I’m glad someone sorted it out, because the announcement was being delayed until next Tuesday. This turned out to be on account of the bill to legalize the sport being shot down hardcore by the Committee for Tourism, Arts, and Sports Development of New York. Zonk! [...]

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  • keggy says:

    that judge above is not from My Cousin Vinny. His name is Paul Benedict. The judge from My Cousin Vinny is Fred Gwynne who played Herman Munster and was also in that old tv show Car 54

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  • johnnyrev says:

    #27 true true … I meant a major network… CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX sort of thing ..but you are right … i dunno but that EXC show got so much hype that it made me ill … its like espn covering AAA pacific league baseball instead of the friggin yankees redsox game

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  • keggy says:

    after about 15 seconds of googling, that picture of the judge is indeed Paul Benedict playing Judge Womack in the Addams Family movie

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  • Fabricio says:

    If people don’t think this is HUGE news, they probably need to head back to the discussion of how cute Gina Corano is.

    Legal in NY is the single largest thing the UFC could do to legitimize itself as a sport. It would be big for all of MMA. This IS larger than a network TV deal. Larger than the sale of the company.

    Honestly the value of the company would increase instantly with NY approval.

    BJ vs. GSP Dec 31st at MSG…………………………………………….On FOX…………………… it would get no bigger. So if you are expecting more, ignore all further announcements you will be disappointed.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    #11, I have THREE sources for my story. All of them well-placed. You heard there was an 11-9 vote in favor? Where did you hear this? Please provide a link.

    Regardless, I stand by this story. Some votes were changed after the official vote, and the story clearly states that.

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  • joho says:

    Does anyone else think that Trump has the influence to push this to maybe get afflictions 2nd show there first?????? before UFC

    Trump is a srewed business man and that would be a great opporunity for Affliction plus he just had his annoucement there last week.

    But I still dont think thhis would be a plan for the next 5 years Danas having other issues as well if he is neg. something he’ll muck it up with his Ego

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  • Fabricio says:

    Locking in a MSG new years eve show for 5 years would be tremendous.

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  • adrock says:

    I really doubt this it. This is not out of left field. People have been expecting this for a while.

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  • Two Toes says:

    Metzler reported yesterday that the UFC’s announcement had been pushed back, long before this story on the vote happened.

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  • Eric says:

    37-
    No. And if they did have a second show there, it wouldn’t have the star power the first one would. The fighters from the first show wouldn’t be available in time. If this passes, Dana is going to fast track a show in NY. Affliction can go there, but without Fedor, Sylvia, Arlovski and whoever else is on their roster it won’t be a success. They fight on July 19. They could probably fight 3 months later on a second show maybe? If this passes, I would think Dana would have a show in NY before October 19. Now if Affliction signed Tito and he was part of their NY package, that’s another story.

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  • Matt says:

    Once again, Dana White is made to be a douchebag. Why is that a major UFC announcement? It’s about the regulation of the sport. It’s almost as bad as my local paper listing the sport as “Ultimate fighting” instead of “Mixed Martial Arts.” I hate that the brand is bigger than the sport, but I guess that’s the way it is…

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  • JoHn says:

    matt #42, people call soda – “coke”, it has always been that way,,,this is huge for the sport, sanctioning is always good for the sport as a whole, mind blowing, no, but still great news if it passes, noobs and tuffers dont get it but avid fans and fighters would love it

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  • mmawesome says:

    WTF do I care if they have a show at MSG? I live in Georgia. It’s been legal here for years. We’re a very progressive state.
    Seriously, that’s only huge news for New Yorkers. It’s not worth the hype Dana put on it.

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  • Trsigley says:

    So our minds should be blown by something we already new was happening? How long has Dana been pushing for regulation in NY? This is old news and just because a “comittee” votes on it doesn’t make it law. This is still a long long way from happening. Many more votes need to happen before he could make this announcement. I believe then you would have the full House and Senate have to vote. If both bills match exactly then the Governor gets to vote, but if the House and Senate bills differ in any way then it goes into another comittee to hammer out the differences. Then it is sent to the Governor. It could be another year or two before this becomes reality.

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  • fightfan says:

    So I dont understand. It is LEGAL or NOT??? The blii was NOT passed, so MMA in NY still Illegal??

    Anyways the huge announcement was again a big dicktease on the part of Dana White. Some mind blowing announcement, ESPECIALLY if the BILL WAS NOT PASSED and Dana just ASSUMED THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PASSED!!!

    Horseshit!!!!

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  • Cobra Kai says:

    I think NY sanctioning is great, but it doesn’t fit in with everything Dana has been saying. Either Dana is talking out of his butt or Meltzer is wrong. it wouldn’t be the first time. Why is everyone assuming that Meltzer is right on this?

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  • JoHn says:

    i want the ufc to come to dallas tx…, american airlines center is screaming for it, but i doubt that will happen, considering mark cuban would be involved

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  • jeff the drunk says:

    im with #54. NY sanctioning alone does not fit in with everything dana has been talking about. there has to be more to it than the sanctioning alone.

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  • Profplum says:

    No, this won’t be a sexy announcement like most were hoping for. It’s more like selecting an offensive lineman in the first round instead of a wide receiver.

    What it seems most are not understanding is that NY is the media capital of the WORLD. By holding events in NY, the mainstream media coverage will be 100x greater. This isn’t just a move for fans in NY, or to hold fights at MSG. This is all about much wider exposure of the sport.

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  • iamphoenix says:

    it’s not really revealed until dana white says it’s revealed. and i highly doubt this was the big announcement

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  • Cobra Kai says:

    Sam, I hope your source was right on this. If this isn’t the big news Dana was talking about a lot of people are going to be pissed that you posted this. I’m not questioning your journalistic integrity. If this turns out to be made up, or misinformation from Dana it will not be good.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    To those bashing the UFC, keep in mind that the article states that several members of the committee tried to change their votes after the official vote. The bill is going up for a vote again early next week. It’s very possible that the UFC now has the votes and all that needs to happen is for an official vote to take place.

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  • Davey D says:

    I for one agree with those who say that the UFC getting MMA sanctioned in the state of New York goes a long way as far as gaining credibility with other state commission’s.

    I live in Michigan and the jerks here WILL NOT pass the bill to let the UFC come here and our economy freakin’ sucks!!! I’m sure it would help my State at some rate if the UFC were able to put on shows here because I know any event here would sell out.

    We love our sports here and Canadaian fans also make the trek across the pond almost everyday to enjoy Detroit team sports on every level. I wouldn’t bet ANY money on ANY venue around here not being able to sell out. That’s saying a lot because Michigan has a lot because we have plenty of sports venue’s in Michigan. Well, Ford Field and Michigan Stadium might be a stretch but give the UFC the time and talent. I believe they’d be able to make it happen.

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  • Ian says:

    While this is certainly big news for fans of MMA, I fail to see how this could somehow be Dana’s big announcement. This was legislation that we’d all have heard about today anyway, so what would Dana be gaining by hosting a press conference tomorrow and announcing what would essentially already have been announced?

    Also, he said the deal was already signed.

    It doesn’t make sense.

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  • Davey D says:

    Edit (in 3rd paragraph): That’s saying a lot because we have plenty of sports venue’s in Michigan.

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  • bjjdenver says:

    #61, not to mention all the Big 10/Midwest wrestlers now seeking mma as a career option.

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  • JoHn says:

    i never understood anyone bashing the ufc or dana white, other than his choice of using foul language, but even that doesnt make since, if you dont like the ufc or dana white stop watching for god sake if it stirs you up that much,, stick to watching shitty shows like this past elitexc card.. this is good news if it is the whole new york sanctioning. if you like the sport you should love dana and the ufc

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  • Brandt says:

    But all of you cried about mainstream exposure two weeks ago. I’m confused.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    Hahahahaha. Seriously, watching people freak out because “this just can’t be it!” is ridiculous. Keep dreaming about how network TV is gonna be willing to pay similar amounts of money to PPV revenue to air major UFC events, because that’s all you’ve got going with that. Dana White hasn’t made a MAJOR GROUNDBREAKING ANNOUNCEMENT in years that meant anything at all other than the PRIDE/UFC merger. Otherwise it ends up being things everyone already knows or sponsorship deals.

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  • iamphoenix says:

    my inside sources are telling me this is not the big announcement.

    see, i can be a journalists too.

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  • cyph says:

    The problem I have with this is, even if the committee okays the bill, it would still have to come up for a vote and then signed into law by the governor. Remember, unless I’m wrong, there is a current law that explicitly BANS MMA in New York. There has to be another law that reverses it. How could Dana celebrate after a vote by the committee to put the bill up to vote… isn’t that premature celebration?

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  • Brent says:

    “Remember, unless I’m wrong, there is a current law that explicitly BANS MMA in New York.”

    Nope, just isn’t regulated – check out the UCL shows.

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  • cyph says:

    Please google: Pataki Signs a Bill Barring Ultimate Fighting

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  • jj says:

    i see lots of people bashing those who dont think this is a big announcement, but they haven’t mentioned why exactly its going to be big for the sport…

    this isn’t going to change the sport. it will have zero effect on everyone except new yorkers and even then it’s just about having the fight on one side of a river instead of the other. anyone interested in mma from new york can easily go to jersey to watch the fights. now, it could generate some more revenue for the UFC with new fans, but that money won’t go back to the fighters, it will put another floor on dana white’s mansion. so i guess thats the trend for the next five years…

    so what if it helps get fights sanctioned in other banned states? so now i’ll just be watching ppv from another location. sanctioning doesn’t evolve the sport it just makes live shows more accessible to residents of one particular state.

    let’s not forget that MMA is a global entertainment enterprise (too many people forget japan exists) and it will be around for a long time whether it’s sanctioned in new york or not.

    what the ufc really needs to do is invest in the production of the events. the ufc has been using the same music/media and formula for the last 10 years and their event stage is non existent besides the octagon. japanese events have HUGE investments in the infrastructure entertainment value beyond the fights. it’s not that the ufc is clueless, if you watch a ufc from a few years ago they have pyrotechnics and all sorts of things–they’ve just chosen to skimp on all but the bare necessities.

    how about fight stats (they had them once?), better slow motion, robotic cameras in the cage pillars or portholes in the cage for the camera, better sound equipment to pick up the punch sounds, music composed post-2000, actually use the boom camera…

    or better yet, how about the “superbowl” of mixed martial arts that dana was blabbing about before they flushed pride down the toilet. dana was very quick to criticize pride for their lack of cooperation in the liddell vs silva fight, but now the shoe is on the other foot.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    They got rid of the pyro and giant entrance ramp because it was expensive to put up and take down and did absolutely jack squat to increase buyrates. It did restrict seating, however, and they prefered getting a live gate to having a fancy video screen, particularly when most arenas in the US already have video screens up. The fact is, no one out there is screaming for WWE style wrestling entrances except, well, WWE fans.

    On the other hand, having music that isn’t nu-metal would be nice, and trying to force Spike to HD is almost mandatory.

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  • Ken says:

    Pataki Signs a Bill Barring Ultimate Fighting

    By JAMES DAO
    Published: February 26, 1997

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0DEEDC1731F935A15751C0A961958260

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  • Smokes says:

    I skipped to the bottom because I saw a good deal of people writing silly comments on here so if I repeat something, my bad. This is a big deal because it is the legitmacy of the sport. I don’t know if regular fans have forgotten but there are still large numbers of people who do not support Mixed Martial Arts and still many states that do not allow for the fighting to take place within the borders of that state. This would have been great news because New York is a leader state and would have helped by leading other states into sanctioning fights within their border. I don’t know about anyone on this forum but getting the UFC to come to my state would be awesome.

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  • Smokes says:

    Number 75 you need to stop hating on Dana. Honestly this is huge news and nobody cares if you agree or not because your points are way off. I didn’t pay money to see flairs and a fancy winding walkway, I don’t care about the music, the fighters can pick their own walk in song from any era they want for all I care. I want great fights and I want to see the best. by legalizing MMA in these states then it creates more fans and more revenue for the company giving them more to work with when seeking new talent. On top of that it means that more people can practice MMA and companies can start up in these states and begin looking for MMA prospects. Also by legitimizing the sport in more states it’ll lead other states to follow making a domino effect and New York is a great state to lead the pack on this. Also it will make it harder for politicians to slam the sport or create laws against it beacuase they will be attacking constituents. So now you see a couple great reasons why this is a big deal and your WWE advice can stick with WWE cause I don’t think that the UFC needs to fix that stuff.

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  • We have to get Michicgan too

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  • To Legalize MMA in NYC send us support I have tried to post the link but it doesnt allow HTML. I am going to every webstie I can to gain support for this bill on Thursday with Dana White and the UFC. It doesnt matter if you love him or hate him, if Dana gets this bill signed other states will have no choice but to follow suit.

    Alberto Martinez Jr
    URDirt.com for the details on where to sign up on iPetition.

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  • The Zoner says:

    The average fan, which I’m guessing encompasses most UFC fans, couldn’t care less about this.

    “I want great fights and I want to see the best. by legalizing MMA in these states then it creates more fans and more revenue for the company giving them more to work with when seeking new talent. On top of that it means that more people can practice MMA and companies can start up in these states and begin looking for MMA prospects.”

    How does it mean more people can practice MMA? And don’t hold your breath for all that new money to be spent on finding new talent. That’s crazy talk.

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  • KS says:

    One more time. It’s a committee vote on whether or not to recommend the bill for a house-wide vote. A positive outcome today wouldn’t have legalized MMA in New York and neither will the re-vote next week. It would still have to pass the NY Assembly, then the NY Senate, and then get signed into law by the Governor.

    I can see Dana White canceling his employee announcement to fly to Albany to lobby for next week’s vote, but there’s absolutely zero logic behind the “announcement” and the status of the bill are related in any other way.

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  • JoHn says:

    sam, i am not saying that you are wrong, but i do think you jumped to conclusion, and tried to put 2 and 2 together, but i truly dont think this was the huge announcement, even though this would be huge and i wouldnt be extremely disappointed if it were,,,, small step for one man giant step for mankind

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  • HGF says:

    My guess is that there is a big annoucement about a particular signing and/or fight happening in MSG.

    Randy vs Fedor in the UFC @ MSG ?

    One can dream…

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  • Trsigley says:

    Like some others have posted…..we are not hating, but MMA can’t be legalized in NY anytime soon. Government moves slow, and it’s not about to speed up for us. There is a very long process that has to happen before a law can change. We are on step 1 and this finishes at like step 5. Dana’s announcement has to be something different because even if the vote had succeeded today MMA would not be legal by next Tuesday…let this Thursday.

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  • Trsigley says:

    (supposed to be “let alone this Thursday”)

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    #87, I believe your statement that I jumped to some sort of conclusion is incorrect. I did not make the determination or assumption to report that the potential NY legislation was Dana White’s “huge” announcement. I was told by a reliable source that it was the announcement.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    #71, are you new to this site? Are you not familiar with this site’s track record when it comes to breaking news?

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  • JoHn says:

    i believe it was in some way shape or form part of the announcement that it was under review, but the entire announcement, no

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  • bob says:

    yes very interesting news to read. yes possibly truly the big announcement. wouldnt it be a good idea to wait until we know for sure this was the big announcement before calling dana an overpromising son of a bitch of whatever some people are calling him? wont you feel a bit silly if he announces in the next couple of days something that actually does blow your mind? im just sayin…

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  • Ronin says:

    LOL funny pic of that judge from the Addams Family movie sammy.

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  • greg-denver says:

    JoHn, I seriously doubt Donald Trump will be making any calls on behalf of the UFC as he just purchased equity in Affliction’s new fight promotion – UFC is his new competition.

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  • JoHn says:

    greg- denver #96 it wouldnt just help the ufc, it would mean that once its done, even affliction and other orgs would be able to hold events there, at this point all other organizations have only help events in the wake of the ufc, it is now time for them to help

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  • pitbull17 says:

    I’m kinda thinking this is part of the annoucement, not to challenge the credibility of of 5oz. the whole time i’ve thought it was a deal with HBO, and i think that a big part of the announcement was to gaurentee a show at MSG. Think about the statement that would make, one of the best venues in the world for boxing now hosting MMA, that would be cool.

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  • Jackyl says:

    I understand some of you think it’s huge news. But I just don’t see this matchng what he described. If this is it, then this is a huge case of cry wolf syndrome. He used phrases like: “Out of left field” “Mind Blowing” “The deal is done but the employees don’t know” Why would you rent out a place to tell everyone this? How many shows a year can they do there? Two? How does that affect the business for the next five years? Lame.

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  • Brent says:

    Pro MMA is not banned in NY –

    http://mmajournalist.blogspot.com/2008/05/underground-combat-league-any-given.html

    It’s not regulated and the athletic commission has no power over it – they don’t even bother to try and shut shows down anymore, there is no law in NY to support a case against any MMA show.

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  • Brent says:

    Also, BloodyElbow is saying that it actually will come again right away, because several folks tried to recant their votes after the fact. Nick Lembo also hinted at this on mma.tv – keep watching here to see the actual status (not updated as of this posting):

    http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A11458

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  • Kogepan says:

    ???? – how is this a ‘huge announcement’???? They already hold events across the river in New Jersey, so the only ‘huge’ part of this announcement is that Zuffa can make more $$$ by holding events in MSG.

    White is an idiot. Huge announcments = Bud Light/MSG???? WTF. Try signing some fighters/cross promotion/holding a Grand Prix etc when you make your next ‘Huge’ announcement.

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  • HexRei says:

    I think that having the possibility of a MSG show IS big and means a lot for MMA.

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  • Trsigley says:

    100 Brent

    MMA is technically not banned but “Ultimate Fighting” was banned in NY in 1997 as one of the earlier posts state withe link. And also even if the committee passes their vote they still have to pass a vote with the entire NY House and NY Senate, then the Governor has to sign. The committee just decides which Bills make it to the main floor. This is not something that is happening this week…..probably not this year.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    Brent, according to MMAjunkie.com, the re-vote will take place on June 18.

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  • Hey_haye says:

    Sam Caplin reported earlier today that he had revealed White’s big surprise – an MMA New York sanction. However, this report was quickly shot down by White himself through German MMA reporter Oliver Copp. Apparently, White told Copp and other reporters in London covering UFC 85, that the big surprise would not be New York regulation. If it were White would have likely pushed the date

    http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/611/dana_white_326777.shtml

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  • Trsigley says:

    You have to wonder if half of them were sleeping during the first vote…..didn’t know what they were voting for then tried to fix it.

    “Damnit I thought that was the tax relief bill!”

    Hey Sam any clue how fast they will push this to the House and Senate floors?

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  • Brent says:

    “MMA is technically not banned but “Ultimate Fighting” was banned in NY in 1997 as one of the earlier posts state withe link. ”

    Right, MMA is not banned – and never was. I hope they do sanction it, MSG would obviously be a great venue for MMA fights.

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  • Trsigley says:

    Yep and the UFC stands for “Ultimate Fighting” Championship. I hope they sanction it as well, MSG would be a great venue for fights.

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  • Sam Cupitt says:

    FYI Tis the judge out of the Addams Family movie.

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    #106, quick question for you… According to the Observer, Dana White told Oliver Copp last weekend in London that it wasn’t going to be NY regulation. How could he have refuted my report when I hadn’t even reported it?

    Now, if you believe that Dana White would never try and create a smokescreen, that’s up to you. However, the UFC said right before they made the announcement that they had bought PRIDE that they weren’t buying PRIDE.

    We’ll know Tuesday for sure what the planned announcement is.

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  • Brent says:

    “We’ll know Tuesday for sure what the planned announcement is.”

    Dana: It was the dolls, you gibrones! – I was just messing wit’ cha… f*ck, f*ck, etc…

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  • Fabricio says:

    ” I stand before you today to announce, With the help of a group of investors headed by myself and long time wrestling promotor Vincent K McMahon, we have purchased The UFC and all of it’s holdings, in addition, we have signed a deal with the Fox Network to air the UFC on their network. The initial deal is for 6 live events per year , one of which will be Held at Madison Square Garden, as I am confident that New York state will have legislation in place by December 31st of this year. All I can say about the New Years eve show at the Garden is former Boxing Champion Floyd Mayweather is scheduled to be on the card making his MMA debut…..”-Dana White 6/18/2008

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  • Cobra Kai says:

    Sam, you seem pretty sure that this is the big announcement. You brought up the point that Dana might be putting up a smoke screen, but where’s the proof that this is the announcement. How do you know that Dana didn’t tell your source to tell you it was NY sanctioning to throw everyone off track? Or maybe he put out 5 different rumors to 5 different people to see who would pass on the leak. I agree that Dana will say one thing and do another, but that is true on everything he says. Are you really sure that your source wasn’t given a smoke screen by Dana? I’m only saying this because you seem to not even be acknowledging the fact that you could have been feed bad information. I hope this doesn’t end up blowing up on you. No one else is reporting this unless they site you. I hope your source is really that reliable.

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  • Trsigley says:

    Come on guys…..Sam has to report what a reliable source tells him. If he has to wait around for 100% absolute concrete proof then he will never break a story. Right or wrong it is what journalists do…..

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  • Sam Caplan says:

    Trsigley speaks the truth.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    All the armchair people talking about the “ultimate fighting ban” are imbeciles or lazy. It takes no more than 5 minutes to research what the exact statements made are. If you want to look for your self, its part of the Laws of 1920, Chapter 912, subsection 5-A.

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  • Evan says:

    111 – Sam, don’t you know anything about time travel?

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  • Trsigley says:

    #117 D.Capitated

    Can you post a link to that law please?

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  • MMA SKOOL™ says:

    That’s the big news?

    B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Hey_haye says:

    @#111 Sam Caplan

    This report was shot down because Oliver Copp already previously told by White that his up coming announcement has nothing 2 do with NY Regulation. So Oliver Copp already knew it had nothing to do with it so soon as your report hit the net it was void. Im sure this motion would have been shot down rather ur reported it or not because Rumors having been running wild.

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  • cyph says:

    Sam, if the German report is true, then conceivably, White denied that when asked if NY regulation was the question. He didn’t contradict your report as the question wasn’t “Sam Caplan reported…”

    The reason I’m more inclined to believe that NY regulation is not the big news is simple: a vote by a committee to put a bill up to vote is just that–a bill will be up to vote. That does not guarantee that the bill will be voted yes. And that does not guarantee that the governor will sign it. There’s still a long bribery trail to go. Why would Dana rent out a place to tell everyone that the big news is that an MMA regulation bill is put up to vote and may still be shot down in the house, senate, and governor’s desk?

    As for banning “Ultimate Fighting,” lets not argue about semantics. In 1997, “Ultimate Fighting” is MMA. Nobody knows what MMA was back then. If you think you can call the sport a different a name and get away with it, then call cocaine “snow dust” and sell it legally. It doesn’t work that way.

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  • Ark says:

    So if this annoucement turns out to be something other than NY legalization, I guess we will all have learned a lesson about differences between blogs and “old media”. Notably, their crazy-ass policy of confirming rumors before reporting them. I know there’s money in the alternative (i.e. publishing unconfirmed rumors and informed speculation for the ad impressions), but you can’t deny it reduces your credibility.

    There was a study done not too long ago showing that the topic of most blogger’s posts is other blog posts. The niche for blogs seems to be commentary and aggregation of publicly available information, only occasionally seasoned with original research (interviews, tip-offs from good sources). I think this whole “announcement” hoopla should help regulate some of the MMA blogger egos who have been chest-beating about journalism, “old media” and their own significance.

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  • FJ says:

    Dana White is a humongous douche. I dont care about New York.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    Ah, apparently my post about the “Ultimate Fighting ban” was worthy of deletion. Well, you can google it if you’d like, but the “ban” says nothing specifically about ultimate fighting or MMA by any name whatsoever. Its a loophole that was closed in the sporting regulations of NY that allowed the state to regulate the sport because of its definition of a “combative sport”. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

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  • cyph says:

    The New York times is lying. Gotcha.

    Unsanctioned underground fighting in New York =/= MMA unbanned.

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  • cyph says:

    I believe the UCL got through the loophole because they classified themselves as amateur exhibition. Professional MMA is illegal in NY.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    The New York Times isn’t “lying”. Its just that everyone seems to think there was some bill that decreed that “Ultimate Fighting may not take place in the state of New York” and that is abjectly not true. Ultimate Fighting is “banned” in so much as the activities and sanctioning bodies for the sport are not allowed in the state of New York. This isn’t difficult to decipher. The very bill in question SPECIFICALLY STATES that it is intended to amend Laws of 1920, Chapter 912, subsections 5-A and 6, which is what was altered back in 1997 to “ban” the sport. This is so because, like all state governments whom have legalized the sport, the power to regulate MMA has been given to the state athletic commissions and the legislation permitting it is generally in the same exact space that describes the legalities of permitted boxing (professional or amateur) or martial arts contests in those states.

    Again: Anyone who says other wise is lying or has done absolutely zero research. Hell, the article you linked to itself points to an issue raised exactly two weeks prior (also in the NY Times, also easily googled) in which an MMA promoter attempted to run a show in Niagara Falls, but pulled out when the NYSAC demanded that headgear be worn, knees and elbows disallowed, et al.

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  • Trsigley says:

    A link to the law please D.Capitated? Since it is such easy research.

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  • Trsigley says:

    Because I googled Laws of 1920, Chapter 912, subsections 5-A and 6 and find nothing pertaining to MMA or Ultimat Fighting.

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  • cyph says:

    Please give us a source that says MMA is not banned and just not regulated. Every single article I’ve read, including Dave Meltzer’s, states explicity that New York has banned MMA. The whole Matt Serra crusade for unbanning MMA is all there in prints, just google it.

    I’m no lawyer, and I suspect neither are you. You can interpret the law any way you want. What you can’t change is that every single news article has stated that MMA is banned in New York, and only you are saying otherwise. If you can show me a source that concur with what you are saying, then it may help enlighten us all.

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  • cyph says:

    Here is an article that Dave Meltzer wrote about the banning of MMA in NY:

    “The athletic commission didn’t have the legal power to stop the show, but did have the power to regulate it. It forced the event out by suddenly throwing a 114-page rulebook at UFC in the last days before the event, designed to run the event out of town.

    The key rule was that the octagon cage had to be 40 feet in diameter, and at that late an hour, a new cage couldn’t have been built for those specifications. The commission also mandated fighters wearing boxing gloves, changing the sport because of the difficulty of grappling with them, as well as mandating boxing headgear to be used in the fights.

    The night before the Niagara Falls show, after losing a lawsuit to get the new rules overturned, UFC had to charter a flight taking 200 people to Dothan, Ala., a backup site. The fighters and officials arrived at their new hotels at 5 A.M. the day of the show after flying all night. They barely got the arena ready and octagon itself set up in time for the show to go on the air as scheduled.

    Between the cost of moving the show, having to give tickets away to get a crowd because of no promotion for the event in Dothan, and losing the live gate, it was estimated the move cost the promotion $700,000.

    The same politicians who voted overwhelmingly to have mixed martial arts legalized and regulated a few months earlier did an about-face under intense media pressure. They rushed into passing a bill through the House and Senate, where it passed with almost no opposition, and signed by then-Governor George Pataki, to ban the sport who called the sport “barbaric,” a tag used in negative MMA media stories even to this day.”

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  • tron7 says:

    This is slightly more exciting than the action figures. I am disapointed yet again. Hopefully there’s some more to this.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    I posted this earlier and saw it get deleted by the moderator. So let’s try again….

    http://law.justia.com/newyork/codes/boxing-sparring-and-wrestling-ch.-912.20/

    That would be the link to the full set of standards for the regulation of boxing, wrestling and sparring. You can skip down if you’d like to the section in question. Again: It is not expressly banned in a format of “MMA/Ultimate Fighting is not allowed in the state of NY.” It basically throws out the ground rules of what is acceptable for combative sports, who can be sanctioned (ie, various national/international judo, TKD, and karate groups) and says that anything outside those guidelines isn’t allowed.

    http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S02858

    That is a link to the bill in question that was voted down yesterday. The full text of what it will add in to those subsections can be seen by clicking on “See Bill Text”. It took literally 30 seconds to find both.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    Well, I just attempted to post it, and its not showing up. Perhaps links aren’t allowed if they’re of value? Putting the phrase “Laws of 1920 Chapter 912″ into Google gives me the entire text of it as the fourth link down. In case you somehow still can’t do it, here’s is Chapter 912, Subsection 5-a in its entirety.

    5-a. Combative sports. 1. A “combative sport” shall mean any professional match or exhibition other than boxing, sparring, wrestling or martial arts wherein the contestants deliver, or are not forbidden by the applicable rules thereof from delivering kicks, punches or blows of any kind to the body of an opponent or opponents. For the purposes of this section, the term “martial arts” shall include any professional match or exhibition sanctioned by any of the following organizations: U.S. Judo Association, U.S. Judo, Inc., U.S. Judo Federation, U.S. Tae Kwon Do Union, North American Sport Karate Association, U.S.A. Karate Foundation, U.S. Karate, Inc., World Karate Association, Professional Karate Association, Karate International, International Kenpo Association, or World Wide Kenpo Association. The commission is authorized to promulgate regulations which would establish a process to allow for the inclusion or removal of martial arts organizations from the above list. Such process shall include but not be limited to consideration of the following factors: (a) is the organization’s primary purpose to provide instruction in self defense techniques; (b) does the organization require the use of hand, feet and groin protection during any competition or bout; and (c) does the organization have an established set of rules that require the immediate termination of any competition or bout when any participant has received severe punishment or is in danger of suffering serious physical injury. 2. No combative sport shall be conducted, held or given within the state of New York, and no licenses may be approved by the commission for such matches or exhibitions. 3. (a) A person who knowingly advances or profits from a combative sport activity shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor, and shall be guilty of a class E felony if he or she has been convicted in the previous five years of violating this subdivision. (b) A person advances a combative sport activity when, acting other than as a spectator, he or she engages in conduct which materially aids any combative sport. Such conduct includes but is not limited to conduct directed toward the creation, establishment or performance of a combative sport, toward the acquisition or maintenance of premises, paraphernalia, equipment or apparatus therefor, toward the solicitation or inducement of persons to attend or participate therein, toward the actual conduct of the performance thereof, toward the arrangement of any of its financial or promotional phases, or toward any other phase of a combative sport. One advances a combative sport activity when, having substantial proprietary or other authoritative control over premises being used with his or her knowledge for purposes of a combative sport activity, he or she permits such to occur or continue or makes no effort to prevent its occurrence or continuation. c) A person profits from a combative sport activity when he or she accepts or receives money or other property with intent to participate in the proceeds of a combative sport activity, or pursuant to an agreement or understanding with any person whereby he or she participates or is to participate in the proceeds of a combative sport activity. (d) Any person who knowingly advances or profits from a combative sport activity shall also be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed for the first violation ten thousand dollars or twice the amount of gain derived therefrom whichever is greater, or for a subsequent violation twenty thousand dollars or twice the amount of gain derived therefrom whichever is greater. The attorney general is hereby empowered to commence judicial proceedings to recover such penalties and to obtain injunctive relief to enforce the provisions of this section.

    The bill being attempted to pass through legislature is S02858, and can be found on the “Search Bills” portion of the NY Legislature’s webpage. It shows, in caps, the edits to the above mentioned chapter of law that would allow MMA to occur in the state of NY.

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  • Trsigley says:

    I find sections of this very interesting.

    2. No combative sport shall be conducted, held or given within the state of New York, and no licenses may be approved by the commission for such matches or exhibitions. 3. (a) A person who knowingly advances or profits from a combative sport activity shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor, and shall be guilty of a class E felony if he or she has been convicted in the previous five years of violating this subdivision. (b) A person advances a combative sport activity when, acting other than as a spectator, he or she engages in conduct which materially aids any combative sport. Such conduct includes but is not limited to conduct directed toward the creation, establishment or performance of a combative sport, toward the acquisition or maintenance of premises, paraphernalia, equipment or apparatus therefor, toward the solicitation or inducement of persons to attend or participate therein, toward the actual conduct of the performance thereof, toward the arrangement of any of its financial or promotional phases, or toward any other phase of a combative sport.

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  • Trsigley says:

    To continue:

    1. A “combative sport” shall mean any professional match or exhibition other than boxing, sparring, wrestling or martial arts wherein the contestants deliver, or are not forbidden by the applicable rules thereof from delivering kicks, punches or blows of any kind to the body of an opponent or opponents. For the purposes of this section, the term “martial arts” shall include any professional match or exhibition sanctioned by any of the following organizations: U.S. Judo Association, U.S. Judo, Inc., U.S. Judo Federation, U.S. Tae Kwon Do Union, North American Sport Karate Association, U.S.A. Karate Foundation, U.S. Karate, Inc., World Karate Association, Professional Karate Association, Karate International, International Kenpo Association, or World Wide Kenpo Association.

    So MMA is not deemed boxing, sparring, wrestling, or martial arts, but because it is deemed a “combative sport” it is deemed illegal correct?

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  • [...] that the UFC’s ‘big’ announcement will consist of mixed martial arts being sanctioned in New York State. Though this is a major step forward, it is hardly something that has been unexpected by fans who [...]

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  • D. Capitated says:

    Before others chime in with silly questions, I’ll answer the two most likely:

    “Lots of NY residents compete in MMA. Why aren’t they arrested?”: Laws regarding interstate commerce. NY can’t arrest people for professionally fighting in states or nations where the local juristictions allow it.

    “What about the UCL?”: Illegal, unlicensed shows. Lack of enforcement does not mean that they are legal by the letter of the law. Those shows do not advertise, much less discuss future locations where fights will be held in public. They are MMA “smokers”, joining the too numerous to count “smokers” boxing and kickboxing have in NY.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    So MMA is not deemed boxing, sparring, wrestling, or martial arts, but because it is deemed a “combative sport” it is deemed illegal correct?

    As would anything else not falling under those other titles (i.e. K-1 rules kickboxing). Like I said several times, there is absolutely nothing in the law specifically stating that mixed martial arts/ultimate fighting/whatever you’d like to call it is illegal by name. This is likely because most people in government are lawyers and lawyers are aware of what loopholes they’d create should they name “ultimate fighting” specifically. Thus, the umbrella must be larger.

    The bill that intends to amend this legalizes “combative sports”, renames “martial arts” to “single martial arts” as used in that opening sentence, uses the unified rule set as guidelines for the sport, etc.

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  • cyph says:

    In other words, this law still bans MMA. With all the semantics squabbling, the end result is the same. The law needs to be overturned or amended to allow MMA to be legal.

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  • D. Capitated says:

    You can’t overturn the law. There’s no constitutional basis for claiming that states cannot regulate combat sports. So it would have to be amended. In any case, it would be good to talk about what the law actually says and what would have to occur to change it rather than make crap up because they’re too lazy to actually do the research involved in knowing the subject at hand. But I’m obviously asking a bit much, aren’t I?

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  • Adam says:

    This isn’t the Mind Blowing Announcement. If you read the interview from espn the magazine you would have noticed Dana White said “the deal is done”. If NY just turned down sanctioning MMA then there is no way that this was the announcement.

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  • Trsigley says:

    I think he means overturning by passing a new law.

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  • Mike Wolfe says:

    Dana’s spreading the news; UFC wants to be a part of it, New York, New York. If he can make it there, he can make it anywhere.

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  • Jackyl says:

    Questions remain. Why would you say “the deal is done but my employees don’t even know” when it’s not even out of the committee. Why would you rent out a place to tell employees this when it only affects a small percentage of them. Even if they have a show in MSG, how many fighters can perticipate, 20? How many shows could they have? Two a year? If this is the big announcement then Dana has really lost it. He’s to the point where he thinks every announcement he makes is huge. This is news that could be sent in a company wide email, not get everyone together to tell them at the same time.

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  • Tom O'malley says:

    MMA in the Olympics makes the most sense with the info we have at this point

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  • Nate says:

    I hope this goes through, so many Dana will bring some decent cards to the NJ/NY area. If not, I hope he gets pissed at NYC and brings an AWESOME card to NJ out of spite.

    holla holla!

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  • Jackyl says:

    Hey Sam. What’s the record of most replies to a post? This one has to be up there.

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  • Rob says:

    Why is it a big deal? it’s New York City guy!! It may not be big news to the fans outside of NY, but it certainly is to the UFC. New york city is the business, fashion, and food capital of this country. It’s a marketing and advertising mecca. It’s the financial epicenter of the United States. Getting sanctioned in New york and being able to run live shows in the Garden is big time bucks for the UFC.

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