Comments on: Mayhem Miller: Jacare “is overhyped” http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 11:06:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: anon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-41033 anon Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:55:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-41033 Split decision? It was a unanimous decision. I don't understand how anybody could expect any other outcome. jacare was dominating the match, he was taking Mayhem down and punching him, not to mention the constant subs. Mayhem got a few reversals, but he never maintained a dominating positions, jacare was all over him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrC-Vzd1GyU&feature=related Thats the video, watch the end, it was a unanimous decision. Split decision? It was a unanimous decision. I don’t understand how anybody could expect any other outcome. jacare was dominating the match, he was taking Mayhem down and punching him, not to mention the constant subs. Mayhem got a few reversals, but he never maintained a dominating positions, jacare was all over him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrC-Vzd1GyU&feature=related

Thats the video, watch the end, it was a unanimous decision.

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]]> By: Mr. B http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-33763 Mr. B Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:14:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-33763 Mayhem didn't lose the Dream 4 fight. Yes, Jacare scored the most take downs and attempts at submission. He is the submission specialist after all. However, what does it say about the power of his submissions when Mayhem escapes all of them. Jacare was unable to contain Mayhem and by the end of the 2nd Round (last round) Mayhem came back with strikes to a tiring Jacare. If it went another round the fresher looking Mayhem would have won. Two judges scored the fight to Jacare but they never mention if it was a split decision. The fight was close to say the least, but Mayhem wasn't beaten as far as I'm concerned since it was never a lopsided fight and ended by decision, Mayhem and Jacare came out as a draw. The fans deserve a rematch by the Dream promoters before Miller's journeyman fight record starts taking its toll on his body. Mousashi vs Jacare fight in the Grand Prix will be very intriguing. Mousashi style is a bit more like Mayhem in his looks for strikes and tactical submissions. The Jacare/Mayhem fight shows Jacare lacks strength to his holds and counter-tactics when another fighter neutralizes his strongest ground submissions. Advantage the Armenian from Holland. Mayhem didn’t lose the Dream 4 fight. Yes, Jacare scored the most take downs and attempts at submission. He is the submission specialist after all. However, what does it say about the power of his submissions when Mayhem escapes all of them. Jacare was unable to contain Mayhem and by the end of the 2nd Round (last round) Mayhem came back with strikes to a tiring Jacare. If it went another round the fresher looking Mayhem would have won. Two judges scored the fight to Jacare but they never mention if it was a split decision. The fight was close to say the least, but Mayhem wasn’t beaten as far as I’m concerned since it was never a lopsided fight and ended by decision, Mayhem and Jacare came out as a draw. The fans deserve a rematch by the Dream promoters before Miller’s journeyman fight record starts taking its toll on his body.

Mousashi vs Jacare fight in the Grand Prix will be very intriguing. Mousashi style is a bit more like Mayhem in his looks for strikes and tactical submissions. The Jacare/Mayhem fight shows Jacare lacks strength to his holds and counter-tactics when another fighter neutralizes his strongest ground submissions. Advantage the Armenian from Holland.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32881 Rich S. Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:02:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32881 all i know is that, rather than saying Jacare's gonna sub Mayhem in no time.. take into consideration Mayhem's knees and his clinch, in the standup game.. and aside from his subs, Mayhem's WRESTLING.. did you catch how fast he mounted his last opponent? he basically jumped right into mount, threw up a peace sign, and stayed in a dominant position for the rest of the fight until he finished it.. he went from mount, to crucifix, back to mount.. he was all over the guy.. and.. i don't know how much Jacare gains after a weigh-in.. but.. Mayhem gets big.. and Jesse, "He’s gone deep into many a BJJ match (and fought multiple tournament matches in one day). If you’ve never rolled at that speed it’s hard to comprehend the amount of energy exerted" i know what you mean. but, i'm just wondering.. if Mayhem gets into Jacare's guard and keeps extremely active, you know.. elbows, and a good variety of body and face shots.. and then passes into mount, or side control.. that's where i see the fight ending.. we haven't seen Jacare's mental game.. we don't know if he'll breakdown as soon as he's losing.. basically, what i'm trying to get out.. is.. i wonder how he'll perform after he's had miller on top of him for 5, 6, 7 minutes.. all i know is that, rather than saying Jacare’s gonna sub Mayhem in no time.. take into consideration Mayhem’s knees and his clinch, in the standup game.. and aside from his subs, Mayhem’s WRESTLING.. did you catch how fast he mounted his last opponent? he basically jumped right into mount, threw up a peace sign, and stayed in a dominant position for the rest of the fight until he finished it.. he went from mount, to crucifix, back to mount.. he was all over the guy.. and.. i don’t know how much Jacare gains after a weigh-in.. but.. Mayhem gets big..

and Jesse,
“He’s gone deep into many a BJJ match (and fought multiple tournament matches in one day). If you’ve never rolled at that speed it’s hard to comprehend the amount of energy exerted”

i know what you mean.
but, i’m just wondering.. if Mayhem gets into Jacare’s guard and keeps extremely active, you know.. elbows, and a good variety of body and face shots.. and then passes into mount, or side control.. that’s where i see the fight ending.. we haven’t seen Jacare’s mental game.. we don’t know if he’ll breakdown as soon as he’s losing.. basically, what i’m trying to get out.. is.. i wonder how he’ll perform after he’s had miller on top of him for 5, 6, 7 minutes..

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]]> By: Jesse http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32785 Jesse Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:56:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32785 A lot of you guys make an excellent point that Jacare is untested, and he is. You also make your point that it's hard to pull off a sub while getting beatdown and that his cardio is unknown. Those two statements I think are misleading. He's gone deep into many a BJJ match (and fought multiple tournament matches in one day). If you've never rolled at that speed it's hard to comprehend the amount of energy exerted. I think his cardio is more than fine. As for the pulling off a sub while getting beatdown - here's my thoughts. That statement totally assumes that he will be in a less dominant position. For MMA guard is still dangerous, but less dominant than BJJ in that you can eat punches. Jacare has world class takedown skill and could very well end up on top, in mount, and then pull a sub from there. I think that will be his gameplan. My money is on: Get the takedown, pass guard (effectively taking away Mayhem's GnP skills) and finish with an armbar. Like I said earlier though, no matter what happens this should be a cool fight. A lot of you guys make an excellent point that Jacare is untested, and he is. You also make your point that it’s hard to pull off a sub while getting beatdown and that his cardio is unknown. Those two statements I think are misleading. He’s gone deep into many a BJJ match (and fought multiple tournament matches in one day). If you’ve never rolled at that speed it’s hard to comprehend the amount of energy exerted. I think his cardio is more than fine. As for the pulling off a sub while getting beatdown – here’s my thoughts. That statement totally assumes that he will be in a less dominant position. For MMA guard is still dangerous, but less dominant than BJJ in that you can eat punches. Jacare has world class takedown skill and could very well end up on top, in mount, and then pull a sub from there. I think that will be his gameplan. My money is on: Get the takedown, pass guard (effectively taking away Mayhem’s GnP skills) and finish with an armbar.

Like I said earlier though, no matter what happens this should be a cool fight.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32765 HexRei Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:53:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32765 @#10 There is a lot of difference between grappling and MMA- the primary one in this case will be ground and pound. I think Mayhem is a better striker than Jacare at this point, but we all know that Jacare will want this to go to the ground and that's likely where it will end up. The question is whether he has adapted his grappling to contend with strikes on the ground from a guy with like Mayhem. It's hard to pull an armbar from the bottom when your bell is being rung like like the fat lady waiting for service at the candy counter. @#10 There is a lot of difference between grappling and MMA- the primary one in this case will be ground and pound. I think Mayhem is a better striker than Jacare at this point, but we all know that Jacare will want this to go to the ground and that’s likely where it will end up. The question is whether he has adapted his grappling to contend with strikes on the ground from a guy with like Mayhem. It’s hard to pull an armbar from the bottom when your bell is being rung like like the fat lady waiting for service at the candy counter.

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32764 Jye Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:46:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32764 Jacare is definitely a better athlete then Miller. I haven't seen Miller fight that much recently to be honest but unless he's developed some awesome kickboxing skills I think Jacare will control this one. That guy is a monster def top 3 grapplers in the world Jacare is definitely a better athlete then Miller. I haven’t seen Miller fight that much recently to be honest but unless he’s developed some awesome kickboxing skills I think Jacare will control this one. That guy is a monster def top 3 grapplers in the world

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32752 Rich S. Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:44:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32752 #6, i agree 100%... except... obviously they haven't seen his fight with GSP.. or they would know that he won't get sub'd that EASILY.. Mayhem's obviously not gettin enough credit here.. he went three rounds with the best WW in the world in GSP.. dodging sub after sub after sub.. i mean, it's bad enough that he had to fight GS freakin' P.. but it was at WW, a weight Miller shouldn't even be fighting at.. if he was fighting at MW, w/ a different opponent on that night, his career would be with the UFC... bottom line... he's submitted the likes of: Robbie Lawler Niko Vitale Lodune Sincaid Denis Kang and we all saw how absolutely dominant he was in his last fight w/ DREAM.. you should watch his fight with Hector Urbina, that'll show you just how devistating he can be if he decides the flip the "serious" switch.. with that said... Jacare has never been past the first round.. let alone.. the 4th minute.. so we don't know what we're going to see in the latter parts of R1 [min. 5-10], or in R2... #6, i agree 100%… except… obviously they haven’t seen his fight with GSP.. or they would know that he won’t get sub’d that EASILY..

Mayhem’s obviously not gettin enough credit here..
he went three rounds with the best WW in the world in GSP.. dodging sub after sub after sub.. i mean, it’s bad enough that he had to fight GS freakin’ P.. but it was at WW, a weight Miller shouldn’t even be fighting at.. if he was fighting at MW, w/ a different opponent on that night, his career would be with the UFC… bottom line…

he’s submitted the likes of:
Robbie Lawler
Niko Vitale
Lodune Sincaid
Denis Kang

and we all saw how absolutely dominant he was in his last fight w/ DREAM..

you should watch his fight with Hector Urbina, that’ll show you just how devistating he can be if he decides the flip the “serious” switch..

with that said…
Jacare has never been past the first round.. let alone.. the 4th minute.. so we don’t know what we’re going to see in the latter parts of R1 [min. 5-10], or in R2…

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32750 bjjdenver Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:26:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32750 Ahh, I get to disagree with you again Hex!! But only on the outcome. I have Jacare winning in the 2nd. Unfortunately, I like Mayhem also, but I have to pick one, and I already picked Jacare to win the gp. Damn, I can't wait for this fight!! Ahh, I get to disagree with you again Hex!!

But only on the outcome. I have Jacare winning in the 2nd. Unfortunately, I like Mayhem also, but I have to pick one, and I already picked Jacare to win the gp.

Damn, I can’t wait for this fight!!

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32745 HexRei Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:07:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32745 And for the record I am calling this one for Mayhem. The dude is a warrior who doesn't take himself too seriously and that's a great combination. And for the record I am calling this one for Mayhem. The dude is a warrior who doesn’t take himself too seriously and that’s a great combination.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32744 HexRei Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:06:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32744 Mayhem has an excellent ground game. Not as good as Jacare's but 75% of his wins are via submission. I think anyone who is discounting his ground game hasn't seen him fight before except for perhaps vs GSP in the UFC. Mayhem has an excellent ground game. Not as good as Jacare’s but 75% of his wins are via submission. I think anyone who is discounting his ground game hasn’t seen him fight before except for perhaps vs GSP in the UFC.

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]]> By: Skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32739 Skwirrl Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:55:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32739 Jacare looks to be the stronger of the two and if he gets it on the ground this will be over. Look for him to make like Shinya and jump guard then work from there. I think honestly the only 2 advantages Mayhem has is his experience and his chin. Neither of which will help him if this fight goes to the ground. Jacare looks to be the stronger of the two and if he gets it on the ground this will be over. Look for him to make like Shinya and jump guard then work from there. I think honestly the only 2 advantages Mayhem has is his experience and his chin. Neither of which will help him if this fight goes to the ground.

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]]> By: EarthFirst! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32729 EarthFirst! Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:59:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32729 I am getting sick of mayhem. I dont think hes that funny anymore and his last opponent was the definition of a chump. Its a good thing this guy has a personality because as a fighter he is boarderline 2nd tier. I am getting sick of mayhem. I dont think hes that funny anymore and his last opponent was the definition of a chump. Its a good thing this guy has a personality because as a fighter he is boarderline 2nd tier.

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]]> By: koolpaw http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32720 koolpaw Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:29:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32720 Jason Mayhem Miller has introduced his new training partner "Plastic"(PRastic?) in Japan. http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/other/text/photo/200806120009-spnavi_2.html According to mayhem`s words on that news, PRastic is smarter than his buddy Chonan and its` mind is clear like air LMAOOO u know, its kinda rare for him to say like "he is overhyped" about his opponent b4 the fight. Seems mayhem is completly focused to WIN this time. it will be a good fight ! Jason Mayhem Miller has introduced his new training partner “Plastic”(PRastic?) in Japan.

http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/fight/other/text/photo/200806120009-spnavi_2.html

According to mayhem`s words on that news, PRastic is smarter than his buddy Chonan and its` mind is clear like air LMAOOO

u know, its kinda rare for him to say like “he is overhyped” about his opponent b4 the fight. Seems mayhem is completly focused to WIN this time. it will be a good fight !

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]]> By: Jesse http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32717 Jesse Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:02:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32717 I think both of these guys are awesome in their own right, but I'm a ground guy so i'd like to see jacare sub him. As entertaining as Mayhem is, I prefer a little humility in fighters I root for. Regardless, gonna be a fun one for sure. I think both of these guys are awesome in their own right, but I’m a ground guy so i’d like to see jacare sub him. As entertaining as Mayhem is, I prefer a little humility in fighters I root for. Regardless, gonna be a fun one for sure.

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]]> By: JoHn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32715 JoHn Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:45:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32715 mayhem is definitely the more skilled fighter but i dont think jacare is going to be easily walked through by any means mayhem is definitely the more skilled fighter but i dont think jacare is going to be easily walked through by any means

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]]> By: rolltide http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/comment-page-1/#comment-32708 rolltide Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:42:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/13/mayhem-miller-jacare-is-overhyped/#comment-32708 War Mayhem! War Mayhem!

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