Comments on: EliteXC Weigh-In Results: Diaz over by 9 lbs! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Beef http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-33151 Beef Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:46:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-33151 I like that % of the purse (including $ for the win and any "bonuses" a ala UFC) for each poung over the limit. It seems like all these peeps just don't want to suffer like Lutter did. He put himself through hell and it took away a lot from him for the fight. These guys figure that, as long as they're going to miss weight, then they might as well forget about the weight cut and focus on the win. That plan worked out great for Alves who also got the KO of the night bonus. At -10% per pound, Alves would have lost 30% (since they would have allowed 171) and Dias would have lost 80% of his purse... Sounds fair to me. I like that % of the purse (including $ for the win and any “bonuses” a ala UFC) for each poung over the limit.

It seems like all these peeps just don’t want to suffer like Lutter did. He put himself through hell and it took away a lot from him for the fight. These guys figure that, as long as they’re going to miss weight, then they might as well forget about the weight cut and focus on the win. That plan worked out great for Alves who also got the KO of the night bonus.

At -10% per pound, Alves would have lost 30% (since they would have allowed 171) and Dias would have lost 80% of his purse… Sounds fair to me.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32888 mike wolfe Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:07:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32888 Fine 'em 10% of their purse for every pound over, and it all goes to the opponent if he makes weight. If both fighters in a match are overweight, the discounts are split between all other fighters on the card who did make weight. Hit somebody hard in the wallet and everybody will learn the lesson. Fine ‘em 10% of their purse for every pound over, and it all goes to the opponent if he makes weight. If both fighters in a match are overweight, the discounts are split between all other fighters on the card who did make weight. Hit somebody hard in the wallet and everybody will learn the lesson.

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32884 Patrick Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:10:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32884 9 pounds is completely unacceptable... and everyone thought 4 pounds was bad for Thiago (4 pounds is also unacceptable, don't get me wrong). They made a weight class for him and Gina, and neither of them can make the weight. Seriously, get on the god damn treadmill in the sauna. It's disrespectful to your opponent, organization, training camp, and the fans to not show up at the weight you agreed to show up at. It's common sense that you come prepared the way you said you would be coming prepared. Absolutely ridiculous. 9 pounds is completely unacceptable… and everyone thought 4 pounds was bad for Thiago (4 pounds is also unacceptable, don’t get me wrong).

They made a weight class for him and Gina, and neither of them can make the weight. Seriously, get on the god damn treadmill in the sauna.

It’s disrespectful to your opponent, organization, training camp, and the fans to not show up at the weight you agreed to show up at. It’s common sense that you come prepared the way you said you would be coming prepared.

Absolutely ridiculous.

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]]> By: Rex http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32880 Rex Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:54:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32880 Elite XC continues to be a circus act, its like Shaw doesnt even care if MMA is accepted as a professional sport. Weight classes are used for a reason, fans want to see who the best fighters are in their respective weight classes. I am a huge Diaz fan, but fights like these wont solidify his place in any division. Elite XC needs to enforce the rules in order to help move the sport forward, not take two steps back. Elite XC continues to be a circus act, its like Shaw doesnt even care if MMA is accepted as a professional sport. Weight classes are used for a reason, fans want to see who the best fighters are in their respective weight classes. I am a huge Diaz fan, but fights like these wont solidify his place in any division. Elite XC needs to enforce the rules in order to help move the sport forward, not take two steps back.

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]]> By: Steve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32868 Steve Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:45:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32868 169? Seriously? How can you possibly weigh in 9 POUNDS OVER? I want to hear from Diaz about this; I could understand 163, even 165, but 169 sounds like he just "fuck it, I'm not cutting at all for this fight." 169?

Seriously?

How can you possibly weigh in 9 POUNDS OVER? I want to hear from Diaz about this; I could understand 163, even 165, but 169 sounds like he just “fuck it, I’m not cutting at all for this fight.”

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]]> By: KOB http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32867 KOB Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:37:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32867 These organizations need to start making stiffer fines or holding people back for not making weight. Especially since they are trying to market mma as a sport and get mainstream media coverage. It is ridiculous that one fighter spends hours making weight, while another can just ride it easy going into a fight. I could see a pound or 2 but any more than that is just plain stupid. Those fighters should not deserve anything they ask for. Alves should go have fun w/ the middlweights who will destroy him. Diaz is just a joke, this is just another reason why he's no longer fighter he used to be. And I used to be a HUGE Diaz fan. Let's hope his brother is taking notes because Diaz could have been great minus all the distractions. Carano is going to get whatever she wants because she will sell tickets. Shaw doesn't care about extra divisions. More belts = more main events. Look how well it's worked in boxing right? LAME. These organizations need to start making stiffer fines or holding people back for not making weight. Especially since they are trying to market mma as a sport and get mainstream media coverage.

It is ridiculous that one fighter spends hours making weight, while another can just ride it easy going into a fight. I could see a pound or 2 but any more than that is just plain stupid. Those fighters should not deserve anything they ask for.

Alves should go have fun w/ the middlweights who will destroy him. Diaz is just a joke, this is just another reason why he’s no longer fighter he used to be. And I used to be a HUGE Diaz fan. Let’s hope his brother is taking notes because Diaz could have been great minus all the distractions. Carano is going to get whatever she wants because she will sell tickets. Shaw doesn’t care about extra divisions. More belts = more main events. Look how well it’s worked in boxing right? LAME.

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]]> By: Fightlinker » Blog Archive » Nick Diaz comes in 2 Caranos over weight http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32858 Fightlinker » Blog Archive » Nick Diaz comes in 2 Caranos over weight Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:13:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32858 [...] was Thiago Alves at 4 pounds over. Pretty bad huh? Well not as bad as Nick Diaz, who just came in 9 POUNDS OVER in his 160 pound fight against Muhsin Corbbrey. There’s a bit of confusion over the [...] [...] was Thiago Alves at 4 pounds over. Pretty bad huh? Well not as bad as Nick Diaz, who just came in 9 POUNDS OVER in his 160 pound fight against Muhsin Corbbrey. There’s a bit of confusion over the [...]

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]]> By: jball http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32844 jball Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:04:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32844 #5 not tryin to hate or talk crap… but i believe the reason or the point of fighters cutting weight is to try to be as big and as strong as you can at your weight class, fighters choose what weight they want to fight at and have the choice to fight at heavier weight… ( mike swick, micheal bisping ) both were successful at heavier weight, just had problems with bigger fighters in there weight class. now that they cut down, they are the bigger fighters… did you see bisping, he looks massive at 185 where he looked small at 205, feel free to tear me apart… ;-) #5 not tryin to hate or talk crap… but i believe the reason or the point of fighters cutting weight is to try to be as big and as strong as you can at your weight class, fighters choose what weight they want to fight at and have the choice to fight at heavier weight… ( mike swick, micheal bisping ) both were successful at heavier weight, just had problems with bigger fighters in there weight class. now that they cut down, they are the bigger fighters… did you see bisping, he looks massive at 185 where he looked small at 205, feel free to tear me apart… ;-)

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32841 Michael Huckaby Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:37:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32841 Yeah, it's clear Carano and Diaz didn't get the memo about their special weight classes. I don't see what's stopping them from upping the weight of their special weight classes again. Yeah, it’s clear Carano and Diaz didn’t get the memo about their special weight classes. I don’t see what’s stopping them from upping the weight of their special weight classes again.

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]]> By: cyph http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32840 cyph Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:23:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32840 Wait, let me get this straight. EliteXC made up a 160 lb division just for Nick Diaz, then he's weighs in over by 9 lbs? Dude, why don't you fight in the damn 170 lb division? That's like saying Anderson Silva will fight at catch weight of 200 lbs, so technically he's still the middleweight champ. There are weight divisions for a reason! If you're too big, you don't fight in the lower weight division. If Nick Diaz, a welterweight beats the lightweight, then what does it really matter? It's sham! EliteXC = Shaw = Boxing = Bad for MMA. Wait, let me get this straight. EliteXC made up a 160 lb division just for Nick Diaz, then he’s weighs in over by 9 lbs? Dude, why don’t you fight in the damn 170 lb division? That’s like saying Anderson Silva will fight at catch weight of 200 lbs, so technically he’s still the middleweight champ. There are weight divisions for a reason! If you’re too big, you don’t fight in the lower weight division. If Nick Diaz, a welterweight beats the lightweight, then what does it really matter? It’s sham!

EliteXC = Shaw = Boxing = Bad for MMA.

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32837 darkmetal Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:44:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32837 That Darn Gary Shaw, if he isn't screaming at Garagliotta to "give Kimbo a break" he is also inviting all his fighters over for Frankfurters and beer. What a professional organization! Actually, cutting will always be required, otherwise fighters will break with the weight class each and every time. The problem is that alot of these guys think they can lose 20 pounds the day before the weigh-in, rather than staying in consistently good shape. That Darn Gary Shaw, if he isn’t screaming at Garagliotta to “give Kimbo a break” he is also inviting all his fighters over for Frankfurters and beer.

What a professional organization!

Actually, cutting will always be required, otherwise fighters will break with the weight class each and every time. The problem is that alot of these guys think they can lose 20 pounds the day before the weigh-in, rather than staying in consistently good shape.

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]]> By: koolpaw http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32829 koolpaw Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:56:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32829 " I drank a pedialite & weighed in with my wallet & cell in my pocket. " just hope there will be check or Cash which weighs 9lbs in Mushin`s pocket after the fight. ” I drank a pedialite & weighed in with my wallet & cell in my pocket. ”

just hope there will be check or Cash which weighs 9lbs in Mushin`s pocket after the fight.

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]]> By: Two Toes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32828 Two Toes Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:09:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32828 "Two Toes…Open your mind!" Lol @ telling me to open MY mind. Come on dude.... I gave you a source for the information. The actual fighter in question. All you can do is copy and paste information from other websites. “Two Toes…Open your mind!”

Lol @ telling me to open MY mind. Come on dude…. I gave you a source for the information. The actual fighter in question. All you can do is copy and paste information from other websites.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32826 Sam Caplan Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:03:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32826 Guys: Just to clarify, Dave was only posting the official release he received from EliteXC. These are the weights and press release they send to the entire media. As for Muhsin making 158 before re-hydrating, we will be contacting him soon to get his official comment about the situation and whether it was a contracted catchweight, or changed after the fact. Guys:

Just to clarify, Dave was only posting the official release he received from EliteXC. These are the weights and press release they send to the entire media.

As for Muhsin making 158 before re-hydrating, we will be contacting him soon to get his official comment about the situation and whether it was a contracted catchweight, or changed after the fact.

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]]> By: Dave Carpinello http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32825 Dave Carpinello Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:52:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32825 Two Toes...Open your mind! Sherdog was not my source. PunchDrunkGamer was and as it looks everyone got the same memo! "Nick Diaz weighed in for his bout with Muhsin Corbbrey at 169 pounds, nine pounds over the contracted weight of 160 pounds. Corbbrey also missed weight, coming in at 163.5 pounds, but was aware prior to the weigh-ins that Diaz expected to come in well over the limit. Corbbrey agreed to contest the bout at a catch weight of 168 pounds." mmaweekly.com Thanks! Two Toes…Open your mind!

Sherdog was not my source. PunchDrunkGamer was and as it looks everyone got the same memo!

“Nick Diaz weighed in for his bout with Muhsin Corbbrey at 169 pounds, nine pounds over the contracted weight of 160 pounds. Corbbrey also missed weight, coming in at 163.5 pounds, but was aware prior to the weigh-ins that Diaz expected to come in well over the limit. Corbbrey agreed to contest the bout at a catch weight of 168 pounds.”

mmaweekly.com

Thanks!

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]]> By: catch http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32824 catch Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:38:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32824 What Muhsin posted on the underground doesn't fit in with what EliteXC is saying. Why would he cut to 158, weigh in, and then rehydrate if he knew it was a catchweight beforehand? Doesn't seem logical at all. What Muhsin posted on the underground doesn’t fit in with what EliteXC is saying. Why would he cut to 158, weigh in, and then rehydrate if he knew it was a catchweight beforehand? Doesn’t seem logical at all.

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]]> By: Two Toes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32823 Two Toes Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:37:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32823 Quote from Mushin: " Actually, I was 2 lbs under(158) and after we agreed to the catch weight I drank a pedialite & weighed in with my wallet & cell in my pocket. It's the commissions job to deal with him being over. It's my job to make weight and fight. I was in camp for 10 weeks and barely got to see my wife and kid. I'm fighting. Muhsin" http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1294908&page=4 With all the flack fighters take for not making weight, it's pretty irresponsible to not check your facts first. It even says in the Sherdog quote that it's not known if either had made weight prior to agreeing to the catch weight. Flat out saying he didn't make weight is pathetic and using Sherdog as your source is even more pathetic. Quote from Mushin:

” Actually, I was 2 lbs under(158) and after we agreed to the catch weight I drank a pedialite & weighed in with my wallet & cell in my pocket. It’s the commissions job to deal with him being over. It’s my job to make weight and fight. I was in camp for 10 weeks and barely got to see my wife and kid. I’m fighting.

Muhsin”

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1294908&page=4

With all the flack fighters take for not making weight, it’s pretty irresponsible to not check your facts first. It even says in the Sherdog quote that it’s not known if either had made weight prior to agreeing to the catch weight. Flat out saying he didn’t make weight is pathetic and using Sherdog as your source is even more pathetic.

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]]> By: Dave Carpinello http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32822 Dave Carpinello Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:27:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32822 That was the official results sent by EXC....Not only to me. “But it was all according to plan, said EliteXC officials, who confirmed that both parties had agreed prior to weigh-ins that they would fight at a catch-weight of 168 pounds. It was not made clear if both competitors were off-track to making weight at the time of the agreement. Diaz weighed in at 169.5 pounds for a bout that was originally scheduled for 160 pounds. His opponent, Muhsin Corbbrey (Pictures), weighed in at 163.5 pounds.” www.Sherdog.com 2 TOES….? That was the official results sent by EXC….Not only to me.

“But it was all according to plan, said EliteXC officials, who confirmed that both parties had agreed prior to weigh-ins that they would fight at a catch-weight of 168 pounds. It was not made clear if both competitors were off-track to making weight at the time of the agreement.

Diaz weighed in at 169.5 pounds for a bout that was originally scheduled for 160 pounds. His opponent, Muhsin Corbbrey (Pictures), weighed in at 163.5 pounds.”

http://www.Sherdog.com

2 TOES….?

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]]> By: Two Toes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32821 Two Toes Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:11:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32821 @ Dave Carpinello - Are you saying that an EliteXC official told you that both fighters were overweight and didn't make the the 160lb limit? Is so, that is pretty pathetic. You can read what Mushin has to say at http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.frame&page=1 @ Dave Carpinello – Are you saying that an EliteXC official told you that both fighters were overweight and didn’t make the the 160lb limit? Is so, that is pretty pathetic.

You can read what Mushin has to say at http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.frame&page=1

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/comment-page-1/#comment-32818 bjjdenver Sat, 14 Jun 2008 07:47:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/14/elitexc-weigh-in-results-diaz-over-by-9-lbs/#comment-32818 I think this is a by-product of fighting soon and in multiple orgs. Still, it is very unprofessional and has to be changed, especially when fighters are missing weight in classes that are designed for them. IMO, this could be huge. Diaz seems to perform better at a higher personal weight, and the cut tends to take a lot from him. fighting someone who made weight while he is at a more natural, comfortable weight could be huge. I think this is a by-product of fighting soon and in multiple orgs. Still, it is very unprofessional and has to be changed, especially when fighters are missing weight in classes that are designed for them.

IMO, this could be huge. Diaz seems to perform better at a higher personal weight, and the cut tends to take a lot from him. fighting someone who made weight while he is at a more natural, comfortable weight could be huge.

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