Comments on: DREAM.4 Results http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 01:29:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: sved http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33402 sved Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:00:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33402 Jacare is on another level...I like Mayhem but colorful personality aside he needs to develop a faster standing submission game or develop KO power in his strikes to compete w/ the likes of DeSouza As for Aoki-Uno--this is the Unofficial PRIDE-VS- HERO'S lw gp DIDN'T u know The Kawajiri-Alvarez matchup is what I expected for the final...I really like Alvarez but won't be surprised 1 bit if Kawajiri wins this by Decision or early stoppage. Kawajiri last faced a striker the calibre of Alvarez in Gomi...and in the nearly 30 months he's grown alot....but now is the time to prove that he's truly elite... a title is definitely possible for him if he survives this test. Jacare is on another level…I like Mayhem

but colorful personality aside he needs to

develop a faster standing submission game or develop KO power in his strikes to compete w/ the likes of DeSouza

As for Aoki-Uno–this is the Unofficial PRIDE-VS- HERO’S lw gp DIDN’T u know

The Kawajiri-Alvarez matchup is what I expected for the final…I really like Alvarez but won’t be surprised 1 bit if Kawajiri wins this by Decision or early stoppage.

Kawajiri last faced a striker the calibre of Alvarez in Gomi…and in the nearly 30 months he’s grown alot….but now is the time to prove that he’s truly elite… a title is definitely possible for him if he survives this test.

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]]> By: bjjdenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33198 bjjdenver Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:51:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33198 Agreed, in no way did Miller beat Jacare, and I like Mayhem. Jacare controlled the entire first 10 minutes and dictated the fight. Nice job by Mayhem to not get subbed, but hanging on, does not win you the fight. Miller did better in the last 5 minutes, landing a couple of decent strikes, but nothing devastating and then got controlled again for half the round. Even if you broke it into 3 rounds, Jacare would have won 30-27 or perhaps 29-28 at worst. As it is judged on the entire fight, it wasn't even close. I like both guys, and look forward to watching them some more, hopefully in Japan and the US. Agreed, in no way did Miller beat Jacare, and I like Mayhem. Jacare controlled the entire first 10 minutes and dictated the fight. Nice job by Mayhem to not get subbed, but hanging on, does not win you the fight. Miller did better in the last 5 minutes, landing a couple of decent strikes, but nothing devastating and then got controlled again for half the round.

Even if you broke it into 3 rounds, Jacare would have won 30-27 or perhaps 29-28 at worst.

As it is judged on the entire fight, it wasn’t even close.

I like both guys, and look forward to watching them some more, hopefully in Japan and the US.

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]]> By: RustyNailz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33177 RustyNailz Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:30:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33177 Brent - I like Mayhem and all... but I don't see how you could honestly think he beat Jacare Brent – I like Mayhem and all… but I don’t see how you could honestly think he beat Jacare

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]]> By: Five Ounces of Pain | Aokiplata (pic) from DREAM 4 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33100 Five Ounces of Pain | Aokiplata (pic) from DREAM 4 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:09:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33100 [...] If you watched DREAM 4 on HDNet, you were amazed by the submission move Shinya Aoki pulled out of his bag of tricks. Bas Rutten was commentating and said he had never seen a submission like that ever before - it was a version of gogoplata from the top postio.  We here are Five Ounces of Pain are dubbing it the “Aokiplata” (read more about it here) [...] [...] If you watched DREAM 4 on HDNet, you were amazed by the submission move Shinya Aoki pulled out of his bag of tricks. Bas Rutten was commentating and said he had never seen a submission like that ever before – it was a version of gogoplata from the top postio.  We here are Five Ounces of Pain are dubbing it the “Aokiplata” (read more about it here) [...]

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]]> By: double A-ron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33078 double A-ron Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:29:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33078 Kenny and bas doing commentary when they are not even there is bad, but i believe they mentioned they were gonna be live at the next dream event so they should do a much better job then Kenny and bas doing commentary when they are not even there is bad, but i believe they mentioned they were gonna be live at the next dream event so they should do a much better job then

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]]> By: Zack with a ck http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33077 Zack with a ck Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:16:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33077 Brent - those decisions were very close but I think the judges got them right. Brent – those decisions were very close but I think the judges got them right.

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]]> By: Brent http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33076 Brent Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:10:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33076 Uyenoyama defeated Tokoro - incorrect decision by the judges. Miller defeated Jacare - incorrect decision by the judges. Uyenoyama defeated Tokoro – incorrect decision by the judges.

Miller defeated Jacare – incorrect decision by the judges.

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]]> By: spike1244 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33074 spike1244 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:55:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33074 i was a big pridefc fan and now im a dream fan becouse it is the shit i was a big pridefc fan and now im a dream fan becouse it is the shit

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]]> By: spike1244 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33073 spike1244 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:54:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33073 fuck what you herd dream is te shit....................and also cant wait for the Affliction “Banned” Fedor vs. Sylvia event fuck what you herd dream is te shit………………..and also cant wait for the Affliction “Banned” Fedor vs. Sylvia event

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]]> By: Kogepan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33065 Kogepan Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:04:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33065 Thats the great thing with non-exclusive contracts...no Mayhem can fight in EliteXC/Affliction, then come back later in the year to fight in Dream again. Awesome card, awesome results. Felt sorry for Saku, he got beat down hard and the fight went on about 15-20 seconds too long. Miragliotta needs to be in the ring next time Saku fights to QUICKLY stop the fights (comeon, he's an old man!). WTF at the drawing for the LWGP, I thought they were going to let the fans vote? I was REALLy looking forward to Kawajiri laying a beating on Uno. And oh yeah, AKIYAMA returns for DREAM 5! Woot! Thats the great thing with non-exclusive contracts…no Mayhem can fight in EliteXC/Affliction, then come back later in the year to fight in Dream again.

Awesome card, awesome results. Felt sorry for Saku, he got beat down hard and the fight went on about 15-20 seconds too long. Miragliotta needs to be in the ring next time Saku fights to QUICKLY stop the fights (comeon, he’s an old man!).

WTF at the drawing for the LWGP, I thought they were going to let the fans vote? I was REALLy looking forward to Kawajiri laying a beating on Uno.

And oh yeah, AKIYAMA returns for DREAM 5! Woot!

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]]> By: xx2000xx http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33064 xx2000xx Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:01:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33064 Styles makes fights and: Eddie Alvarez vs Tatsuya Kawajiri Shinya Aoki vs Caol Uno Is perfect. I'm shocked they did a draw, but I was hoping that would be the case anyways. Alvarez vs Aoki would be a fantastic final. Styles makes fights and:
Eddie Alvarez vs Tatsuya Kawajiri
Shinya Aoki vs Caol Uno

Is perfect. I’m shocked they did a draw, but I was hoping that would be the case anyways. Alvarez vs Aoki would be a fantastic final.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33056 Rich S. Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:19:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33056 I would actually have to give Mayhem the win if his fight was a three-rounder.. because.. IMO, he won half of the first round.. and he def. won the 2nd.. but.. i guess.. Jacare got the notch in the first.. sucks seeing Mayhem lose, obviously i'm a Mayhem Monkey.. but.. good luck to Jacare and great fight! I would actually have to give Mayhem the win if his fight was a three-rounder.. because.. IMO, he won half of the first round.. and he def. won the 2nd.. but.. i guess.. Jacare got the notch in the first.. sucks seeing Mayhem lose, obviously i’m a Mayhem Monkey.. but.. good luck to Jacare and great fight!

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]]> By: Adam Morgan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33053 Adam Morgan Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:03:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33053 Second best show of the year after UFC 84 in my opinion. Some great fights (Jacare vs. Mayhem, Tokoro vs. Uyenoyama) as well as some great finishes (Aoki, Overeem, Manhoef). Very solid effort and well worth staying up until 7 AM for. :) Second best show of the year after UFC 84 in my opinion. Some great fights (Jacare vs. Mayhem, Tokoro vs. Uyenoyama) as well as some great finishes (Aoki, Overeem, Manhoef). Very solid effort and well worth staying up until 7 AM for. :)

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]]> By: DREAM.4 Results; DREAM.5 Lightweight Grand Prix Match-Ups Revealed http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33051 DREAM.4 Results; DREAM.5 Lightweight Grand Prix Match-Ups Revealed Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:46:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33051 [...] has happened, I would imagine only someone like Jordan Breen has actually seen it. The guys over at Five Oz. of Pain are calling it an ‘Aokiplata.’ I agree, especially if its never been done [...] [...] has happened, I would imagine only someone like Jordan Breen has actually seen it. The guys over at Five Oz. of Pain are calling it an ‘Aokiplata.’ I agree, especially if its never been done [...]

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33037 Patrick Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:23:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33037 Also, in the Galesic vs. Kin fight... I got mad respect for both of them even though it wasn't really a fight. They both were upset that it ended by injury and they were pretty classy about it. Taiei was ridiculous, man showed no pain, and that break looked pretty bad from the replays. Also, in the Galesic vs. Kin fight… I got mad respect for both of them even though it wasn’t really a fight. They both were upset that it ended by injury and they were pretty classy about it. Taiei was ridiculous, man showed no pain, and that break looked pretty bad from the replays.

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]]> By: KOB http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33036 KOB Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:21:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33036 That show was awesome and everyone should be talking about that rather than the garbage that EliteXC put on. Watching Souza v. Miller was awesome. That show was awesome and everyone should be talking about that rather than the garbage that EliteXC put on. Watching Souza v. Miller was awesome.

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33035 Patrick Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:18:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33035 "Penn has to know he would draw a crowd and earn much more money elsewhere" Actually, not sure he would earn more elsewhere. You are right though in that if Penn fights then almost all of Hawaii tunes in. He's instant crowd base. To be honest, isn't it like all of our dreams that all of these organizations stop being bitchy little siblings and let their fighters move around and do whatever. So many good matchups go to waste because organizations can't play nice. “Penn has to know he would draw a crowd and earn much more money elsewhere”

Actually, not sure he would earn more elsewhere. You are right though in that if Penn fights then almost all of Hawaii tunes in. He’s instant crowd base.

To be honest, isn’t it like all of our dreams that all of these organizations stop being bitchy little siblings and let their fighters move around and do whatever. So many good matchups go to waste because organizations can’t play nice.

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]]> By: platypus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33033 platypus Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:42:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33033 uhm im pretty sure bas rutten and kenny rice did multiple events of commentating by the time they did dream...waay too taxing and tiring uhm im pretty sure bas rutten and kenny rice did multiple events of commentating by the time they did dream…waay too taxing and tiring

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]]> By: DocWagner http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33032 DocWagner Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:34:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33032 BJ needs to leave the UFC on top and fight in greener and different fields...I would love to see an Penn fight non UFC competitors in Dream et al. Penn has to know he would draw a crowd and earn much more money elsewhere. Dream is absolutely fantastic to watch each and every time. BJ needs to leave the UFC on top and fight in greener and different fields…I would love to see an Penn fight non UFC competitors in Dream et al. Penn has to know he would draw a crowd and earn much more money elsewhere.

Dream is absolutely fantastic to watch each and every time.

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/comment-page-1/#comment-33031 Patrick Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:28:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/15/dream4-results/#comment-33031 Dream is awesome. Would anyone else like to see Aoki and B.J. do a straight up jiu-jitsu match? Because I can't even imagine people being able to keep track of what leg and arm is where and who's are they. That would entertain the hell out of me. Dream is awesome.

Would anyone else like to see Aoki and B.J. do a straight up jiu-jitsu match? Because I can’t even imagine people being able to keep track of what leg and arm is where and who’s are they. That would entertain the hell out of me.

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