Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 12:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37140 Jackyl Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:59:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37140 Herring has faced top competiton but I don't see him competing with Lesnar's athleticism. Herring is not a submission expert like Mir and I don't see him controlling Brock on the ground. This fight plays into Lesnar's strengths more than a lot of people are thinking. And I know all of you loved it that Mir beat Brock so fast but the fact is that Mir owes that win to Mazzagatti. When do you ever see a standup and a point deduction for ONE punch to the back/side of the head while the opponent was turning away? No warning or anything. Mir was in trouble and Mazz bailed him out. Regardless, I don't see Herring subbing him, don't see him getting a ko, and don't see him controling Lesnar enough to grind out a decision. Brock by tko stoppage round 2. Herring has faced top competiton but I don’t see him competing with Lesnar’s athleticism. Herring is not a submission expert like Mir and I don’t see him controlling Brock on the ground. This fight plays into Lesnar’s strengths more than a lot of people are thinking. And I know all of you loved it that Mir beat Brock so fast but the fact is that Mir owes that win to Mazzagatti. When do you ever see a standup and a point deduction for ONE punch to the back/side of the head while the opponent was turning away? No warning or anything. Mir was in trouble and Mazz bailed him out. Regardless, I don’t see Herring subbing him, don’t see him getting a ko, and don’t see him controling Lesnar enough to grind out a decision. Brock by tko stoppage round 2.

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37127 Cathedron Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:33:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37127 I'm far from a Lesnar groupie (his loss to Mir won me some money), but I don't see Heath Herring being too dangerous for Brock. Lesnar can take the fight to the ground at will. I don't care how tough Herring is, he's a cocky doofus who cares more about putting on a show than getting a win. I think Heath is in for a beating. I’m far from a Lesnar groupie (his loss to Mir won me some money), but I don’t see Heath Herring being too dangerous for Brock. Lesnar can take the fight to the ground at will. I don’t care how tough Herring is, he’s a cocky doofus who cares more about putting on a show than getting a win. I think Heath is in for a beating.

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]]> By: Sam Cupitt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37122 Sam Cupitt Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:52:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37122 I must say in my defense, I had no idea we would be running with my little idea. Huckaby gave me no indication and preferred to chastise me through his position of Duelmaster. Such tactics are lame and I will be forced to Duel it out with the little beesnatch in the future if shit like this is pulled again. Yours Sincerley, Angry Mob. I must say in my defense, I had no idea we would be running with my little idea. Huckaby gave me no indication and preferred to chastise me through his position of Duelmaster.

Such tactics are lame and I will be forced to Duel it out with the little beesnatch in the future if shit like this is pulled again.

Yours Sincerley, Angry Mob.

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]]> By: Caleb Mock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37072 Caleb Mock Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:49:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37072 I don't know how Herring can beat Lesnar. Based on my experience in Wrestling and Jujitsu, it doesn't take too long for a wrestler (especially one of Lesnar's caliber) to learn top control. And there's no doubt in my mind that Lesnar can take down Herring. Kongo took Herring down. Freakin' Kongo. I don’t know how Herring can beat Lesnar. Based on my experience in Wrestling and Jujitsu, it doesn’t take too long for a wrestler (especially one of Lesnar’s caliber) to learn top control.

And there’s no doubt in my mind that Lesnar can take down Herring. Kongo took Herring down. Freakin’ Kongo.

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]]> By: Jeff L http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37065 Jeff L Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:08:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37065 Point taken. My apologies then to you, Hex. I need to lay off the Sherdog for awhile, as I'm beginning to assume everyone is out to belittle everyone else. I think Rampage in 3 makes a lot of sense as well. :) Point taken. My apologies then to you, Hex. I need to lay off the Sherdog for awhile, as I’m beginning to assume everyone is out to belittle everyone else. I think Rampage in 3 makes a lot of sense as well. :)

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37048 HexRei Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:45:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37048 And I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the sport man, that's the most important thing. And I do appreciate your enthusiasm for the sport man, that’s the most important thing.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37047 HexRei Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:40:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37047 @#10 Ram, thanks for the reasonable explanation. I was perhaps overly negative in my first post, certainly I didn't mean specifically to target you. Your point is taken, and I didn't mean to get people all riled up. But Forrest is goin down in the 4th ;) (maybe the third though) @#10 Ram, thanks for the reasonable explanation. I was perhaps overly negative in my first post, certainly I didn’t mean specifically to target you. Your point is taken, and I didn’t mean to get people all riled up. But Forrest is goin down in the 4th ;) (maybe the third though)

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37044 Evan Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:31:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37044 HexRei...I would be shocked if anyone didn't spend some time reviewing a fighters body of work before writing a prediction. There is simply far too many fighters and far too many fights to have a mental Rolodex of everyone without brushing up event if you only spend 3 minutes doing it. Ram...shoot me an email if you could. HexRei…I would be shocked if anyone didn’t spend some time reviewing a fighters body of work before writing a prediction. There is simply far too many fighters and far too many fights to have a mental Rolodex of everyone without brushing up event if you only spend 3 minutes doing it.

Ram…shoot me an email if you could.

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]]> By: Ram Maramba http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37024 Ram Maramba Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:16:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37024 HR: I think it was me that used both phrases; I commented on one of Caplan's posts about Rampage a couple days ago. The only "new" fights I hadn't seen before boning up were his K-1 bouts with Abidi. The rest of my "due diligence" was regarding his high school wrestling, Juanito Ibarra and, oddly enough, his family life. I also tried to look into his relationship with Hammer House quite a bit, something I'd never done. Honestly, I have only seen a little more than half of his fights and not all of his PRIDE fights. Peeking at his Fight Finder ledger, I haven't seen the Matsui or Ishikawa fights nor have I seen his smaller org bouts. I research every main-eventer we're expected to cover; it's par for the course. With Jackson in particular however, maybe due to such a long stretch without seeing him in action, I was a bit surprised to see how consistently explosive he is. The Arona slam is replayed over and over again; it's easy to forget how often he displays the same exciting power in other fights. I got the same feeling watching Fedor fight freakin' Hong Man Choi. It's huge part of what makes this game so much fun for me. The athletic prowess these guys display is never short of amazing, even the 50th time around. I appreciate the support Jeff, but HexRei is a good guy who contributes quote a bit tou or little 5oz. community. I didn't mean to sound like a dick and I apologize if I did. I just thought it odd that of all things, I'd be brought to task for trying to remain educated. That's a curve... HR:

I think it was me that used both phrases; I commented on one of Caplan’s posts about Rampage a couple days ago.

The only “new” fights I hadn’t seen before boning up were his K-1 bouts with Abidi. The rest of my “due diligence” was regarding his high school wrestling, Juanito Ibarra and, oddly enough, his family life. I also tried to look into his relationship with Hammer House quite a bit, something I’d never done. Honestly, I have only seen a little more than half of his fights and not all of his PRIDE fights. Peeking at his Fight Finder ledger, I haven’t seen the Matsui or Ishikawa fights nor have I seen his smaller org bouts.

I research every main-eventer we’re expected to cover; it’s par for the course. With Jackson in particular however, maybe due to such a long stretch without seeing him in action, I was a bit surprised to see how consistently explosive he is. The Arona slam is replayed over and over again; it’s easy to forget how often he displays the same exciting power in other fights. I got the same feeling watching Fedor fight freakin’ Hong Man Choi. It’s huge part of what makes this game so much fun for me. The athletic prowess these guys display is never short of amazing, even the 50th time around.

I appreciate the support Jeff, but HexRei is a good guy who contributes quote a bit tou or little 5oz. community. I didn’t mean to sound like a dick and I apologize if I did. I just thought it odd that of all things, I’d be brought to task for trying to remain educated. That’s a curve…

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37020 HexRei Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:01:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37020 @#8 Jeff, I never said shit about that knowing everything off hand. I replied to Ram already and explained my position, feel free to read it, it's the two posts before yours. @#8 Jeff, I never said shit about that knowing everything off hand. I replied to Ram already and explained my position, feel free to read it, it’s the two posts before yours.

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]]> By: Jeff L http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37016 Jeff L Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:51:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37016 Ram says: " I’d think you yourself would appreciate the staff putting forth effort to not to speak out of ignorance and to “bone up” and do “research” on the pertinent subject." Well, I sure do, Ram. Perhaps if you were a "true mma" fan like our arrogant friend HexRei, you would just KNOW everything off hand, like he obviously does. Ram says: ” I’d think you yourself would appreciate the staff putting forth effort to not to speak out of ignorance and to “bone up” and do “research” on the pertinent subject.”

Well, I sure do, Ram. Perhaps if you were a “true mma” fan like our arrogant friend HexRei, you would just KNOW everything off hand, like he obviously does.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37015 HexRei Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:50:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37015 er, Pride fights. Rather than fighters. Also I said "to" instead of "too" if one wants to be picky. er, Pride fights. Rather than fighters. Also I said “to” instead of “too” if one wants to be picky.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37014 HexRei Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:49:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37014 Ok, just never seen you post that, about anyone, before Rampage (perhaps you were the person I noticed saying both phrases). Perhaps you mentioned you were "boning up" on other fighters you wrote about to and I missed it, or perhaps you just talked about doing it more with Rampage than others. So, honest now, had you seen all his Pride fighters before you started "boning up"? I'm just curious. Ok, just never seen you post that, about anyone, before Rampage (perhaps you were the person I noticed saying both phrases). Perhaps you mentioned you were “boning up” on other fighters you wrote about to and I missed it, or perhaps you just talked about doing it more with Rampage than others.

So, honest now, had you seen all his Pride fighters before you started “boning up”? I’m just curious.

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]]> By: Ram Maramba http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37012 Ram Maramba Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:42:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37012 I don't care who it is, I'm doing "research" and "boning up" if I'm going to write about someone. If it's Rampage Jackson or some KOTC spare, I'm going to do everything I can to know everything I can about him. I spent five years as a repair technician; every call I went on I had a technical manual with me. I would "bone up" and "research" every diagnosed issue before I went on site. It didn't mean I didn't know I was doing, it meant I cared enough about my duty to be damn sure I was putting out quality service. As a consistent visitor and contributor to the free content on this site, I'd think you yourself would appreciate the staff putting forth effort to not to speak out of ignorance and to "bone up" and do "research" on the pertinent subject. I don’t care who it is, I’m doing “research” and “boning up” if I’m going to write about someone. If it’s Rampage Jackson or some KOTC spare, I’m going to do everything I can to know everything I can about him.

I spent five years as a repair technician; every call I went on I had a technical manual with me. I would “bone up” and “research” every diagnosed issue before I went on site. It didn’t mean I didn’t know I was doing, it meant I cared enough about my duty to be damn sure I was putting out quality service. As a consistent visitor and contributor to the free content on this site, I’d think you yourself would appreciate the staff putting forth effort to not to speak out of ignorance and to “bone up” and do “research” on the pertinent subject.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37005 HexRei Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:47:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37005 i am frightened by the number of writers i have seen on this site "boning up" or "doing research" on rampage. its not like the guy is some obscure nobody, he was one of the stars of Pride and he's one of the stars of the UFC. If you have to "bone up", you probably have a massive amount of old MMA to catch up on. i am frightened by the number of writers i have seen on this site “boning up” or “doing research” on rampage. its not like the guy is some obscure nobody, he was one of the stars of Pride and he’s one of the stars of the UFC. If you have to “bone up”, you probably have a massive amount of old MMA to catch up on.

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]]> By: TMAC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-37002 TMAC Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:24:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-37002 #5 - Jesse Taylor still needs time to grow up in the areas Dana told him to work on; mental and emotional. Yes he stopped drinking and that is an excellent start, one that should be applauded. However the booze just magnified Jesse's basic immaturity. I'm all for giving him a second chance, but I don't like the message it sends Jesse, that everything is all good just 3 months after being so out of control. And for those that keep harping on TUF producers encouraging drinking and destructive behavior in the house, yeah it is something that the show should work on, but it is in no way justification for acting like a moron in exactly the manner your boss just told you not to act in and doing so at his boss's place of business. This is nothing like the other examples of fighters misbehaving outside the octagon, this was done in a such a manner that Taylor was begging to be made an example of. I say bring him back in 3-4 more months if progress is seen by UFC management, but that's just me. Finally #6 - Brock will take down Herring sure, but when Herring sweeps and gains top position will Lesnar become somewhat cockroach like? Takedowns aren't the only way to achieve top position and my guess is Lesnar's guard isn't striking fear in his oppenents. #5 – Jesse Taylor still needs time to grow up in the areas Dana told him to work on; mental and emotional. Yes he stopped drinking and that is an excellent start, one that should be applauded. However the booze just magnified Jesse’s basic immaturity. I’m all for giving him a second chance, but I don’t like the message it sends Jesse, that everything is all good just 3 months after being so out of control.

And for those that keep harping on TUF producers encouraging drinking and destructive behavior in the house, yeah it is something that the show should work on, but it is in no way justification for acting like a moron in exactly the manner your boss just told you not to act in and doing so at his boss’s place of business. This is nothing like the other examples of fighters misbehaving outside the octagon, this was done in a such a manner that Taylor was begging to be made an example of. I say bring him back in 3-4 more months if progress is seen by UFC management, but that’s just me.

Finally #6 – Brock will take down Herring sure, but when Herring sweeps and gains top position will Lesnar become somewhat cockroach like? Takedowns aren’t the only way to achieve top position and my guess is Lesnar’s guard isn’t striking fear in his oppenents.

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]]> By: saerbarnet http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-36999 saerbarnet Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:14:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-36999 #1 Hype.. Or the abysmal ground work in the Kongo - Herring Fight? :p #1 Hype.. Or the abysmal ground work in the Kongo – Herring Fight? :p

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]]> By: Jeff L http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/comment-page-1/#comment-36991 Jeff L Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:20:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-12/#comment-36991 This was a good one, thanks. Although I am REALLY with Sam on the last one. Herring has been in the game and faced top shelf competition. It's all hype that has you thinking he's going to roll through Herring, nothing more. Not saying it couldn't happen, just no freaking way it should be the assumed conclusion to the point of labeling Heath the underdog. On a side note, I bet Herring has to come out to the ring first like Mir did. Call it nitpicky, but that bugs me. Great article though, guys. Hey, you guys doing staff predictions for tomorrow or what? Expected to see those up by now. Happy 4th! This was a good one, thanks. Although I am REALLY with Sam on the last one. Herring has been in the game and faced top shelf competition. It’s all hype that has you thinking he’s going to roll through Herring, nothing more. Not saying it couldn’t happen, just no freaking way it should be the assumed conclusion to the point of labeling Heath the underdog. On a side note, I bet Herring has to come out to the ring first like Mir did. Call it nitpicky, but that bugs me. Great article though, guys.
Hey, you guys doing staff predictions for tomorrow or what? Expected to see those up by now. Happy 4th!

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