Comments on: Pain Poll: 5 Oz. Staff Previews and Predicts entire card for UFC 86 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 12:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: MoreThanUFC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37173 MoreThanUFC Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:27:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37173 @11 Forrest's standup is equal to Rampage's? MMA SKOOL for the BLIND I guess... @11 Forrest’s standup is equal to Rampage’s? MMA SKOOL for the BLIND I guess…

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37170 HexRei Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:10:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37170 @#11 Probably because Griffin only has two KO's on his record, and the Sinosec KO, while he definitely was winning the standup, wasn't exactly a knockout, it was just a knockdown. But your point is a good one. I also think Rampage will clinch and take this to the ground if Forrest's reach proves to be too big an advantage. We might even see one of the oldskool Rampage slams. @#11 Probably because Griffin only has two KO’s on his record, and the Sinosec KO, while he definitely was winning the standup, wasn’t exactly a knockout, it was just a knockdown. But your point is a good one. I also think Rampage will clinch and take this to the ground if Forrest’s reach proves to be too big an advantage. We might even see one of the oldskool Rampage slams.

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]]> By: MMA SKOOL™ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37168 MMA SKOOL™ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:01:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37168 ? I don't know why all the contributors to this website and some of the other's I've been reading are saying Rampage's standup is hands-down better than Griffin's. Forest has some good boxing technique and his jab with those long arms is a very good. He likes to throw those combo's then dance out of range. If this was a 3-round fight he could very easily pepper Rampage from outside for 3 rounds and get enough points for the decision. (Not to mention throwing in a Couture-schooled surprise takedown every once in a while!) Granted, in 5 rounds Rampage will get the opportunity to finish Forest and I'm picking Rampage to win, but I'd say Forest's standup is equal to Rampage's, and if Forest can stay off his back he'll be in this fight until the end. I'd say Rampage has to be looking to take this fight to the ground at some point. ?

I don’t know why all the contributors to this website and some of the other’s I’ve been reading are saying Rampage’s standup is hands-down better than Griffin’s. Forest has some good boxing technique and his jab with those long arms is a very good. He likes to throw those combo’s then dance out of range.

If this was a 3-round fight he could very easily pepper Rampage from outside for 3 rounds and get enough points for the decision. (Not to mention throwing in a Couture-schooled surprise takedown every once in a while!)

Granted, in 5 rounds Rampage will get the opportunity to finish Forest and I’m picking Rampage to win, but I’d say Forest’s standup is equal to Rampage’s, and if Forest can stay off his back he’ll be in this fight until the end.

I’d say Rampage has to be looking to take this fight to the ground at some point.

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]]> By: Jay http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37144 Jay Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:15:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37144 "Gary Herman: "I wouldn’t be surprised if Almeida gets a title shot after submitting Cote in three minutes". No need to be surprised as Dana has already said they will get a shot after Silva/Okami at 88 “Gary Herman: “I wouldn’t be surprised if Almeida gets a title shot after submitting Cote in three minutes”.

No need to be surprised as Dana has already said they will get a shot after Silva/Okami at 88

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]]> By: MoreThanUFC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37112 MoreThanUFC Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:41:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37112 "No one - absolutely no one - gameplans better for a fight than Couture" He gameplans for himself, yes, but has never been some wunderkind for other fighters. Whereas, that's all Juanito does, so that argument is seriously lacking. “No one – absolutely no one – gameplans better for a fight than Couture”

He gameplans for himself, yes, but has never been some wunderkind for other fighters. Whereas, that’s all Juanito does, so that argument is seriously lacking.

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]]> By: MoreThanUFC http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37109 MoreThanUFC Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:23:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37109 Forrest via low kick leg break. J/k. "Forrest Griffin and Rampage Jackson are somewhat similar fighters. They are both looking to stand. Neither is looking to be overly technical, and neither is likely to lock in a submission" Who are you talking about, Quinlin Rampage Johnson and Forrest Gump? Rampage is one of the most technical of strikers next to A Silva and Forrest's only way to win is via sub. BTW, QRJ has only been submitted once, by Saku, in a fight we all know the BS behind, unless you started watching MMA at TUF 2. QRJ by Slam then GnP round uno. Forrest via low kick leg break. J/k.

“Forrest Griffin and Rampage Jackson are somewhat similar fighters. They are both looking to stand. Neither is looking to be overly technical, and neither is likely to lock in a submission”

Who are you talking about, Quinlin Rampage Johnson and Forrest Gump? Rampage is one of the most technical of strikers next to A Silva and Forrest’s only way to win is via sub. BTW, QRJ has only been submitted once, by Saku, in a fight we all know the BS behind, unless you started watching MMA at TUF 2.

QRJ by Slam then GnP round uno.

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]]> By: Kogepan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37082 Kogepan Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:18:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37082 Forrest > Rampage : No Japanese women to power up Page Almeda > Cote: By whatever he wants, whenever he wants Maximus > Tyson: Submission, 1st round. Tyson should drop to 145. Tibau > Daddy: 'Daddy' is the most overrated guy ever? Wins over Guillard and Pellegrino and Guillard and makes u a title challenger? WTF. Guess Nate Diaz should expect his shot at BJ soon. Kos > Lytle: Kos is better....I got nothing.. All the prelims are crap. Hope Gonzaga worked on his cardio and actually has a decent fight. Forrest > Rampage : No Japanese women to power up Page

Almeda > Cote: By whatever he wants, whenever he wants

Maximus > Tyson: Submission, 1st round. Tyson should drop to 145.

Tibau > Daddy: ‘Daddy’ is the most overrated guy ever? Wins over Guillard and Pellegrino and Guillard and makes u a title challenger? WTF. Guess Nate Diaz should expect his shot at BJ soon.

Kos > Lytle: Kos is better….I got nothing..

All the prelims are crap. Hope Gonzaga worked on his cardio and actually has a decent fight.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37069 Jackyl Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:09:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37069 Here's my picks strait from UFC fantasy. Rampage TKO 2Rd 3rd min. I really want Forrest to win but all things considered I'm not sure how he can. Almeida Sub(arm) 2Rd 4th min. Stevenson UD Kos UD Tyson Griffin UD Gonzaga TKO 1Rd 3rd min. Cole Miller Sub(choke) 3rd round 3rd min. Melvin TKO 1st round 3rd min. Hill Tko 1st round 2nd min. I'm really pulling for Forrest but I have to pick Rampage. Here’s my picks strait from UFC fantasy.

Rampage TKO 2Rd 3rd min. I really want Forrest to win but all things considered I’m not sure how he can.

Almeida Sub(arm) 2Rd 4th min.

Stevenson UD
Kos UD
Tyson Griffin UD
Gonzaga TKO 1Rd 3rd min.
Cole Miller Sub(choke) 3rd round 3rd min.
Melvin TKO 1st round 3rd min.
Hill Tko 1st round 2nd min.

I’m really pulling for Forrest but I have to pick Rampage.

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]]> By: king mah mah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37054 king mah mah Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:18:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37054 I'll go against the grain here and pick Forrest. I think too many people are underestimating him. Forrest tko round 4. Lytle by ko in round one. joe daddy by decision. Cote by ko round one. Gonzaga ko round 2. Atleast I hope there's that many kos tommorow! I’ll go against the grain here and pick Forrest. I think too many people are underestimating him. Forrest tko round 4.

Lytle by ko in round one.

joe daddy by decision.

Cote by ko round one.

Gonzaga ko round 2.

Atleast I hope there’s that many kos tommorow!

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37038 Rich S. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:20:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37038 oops.. i forgot.. Almeida via Sub [it doesn't matter] ROUND 1 oops.. i forgot.. Almeida via Sub [it doesn't matter] ROUND 1

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37037 Rich S. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:18:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37037 i am VERY SUPRISED TO SEE that everyone chose Cole Miller over Gurgel.. i don't know why, but my immediate reaction was to pick Jorge.. i think Cole's sub's are great.. but i think Gurgel will just fight in his guard the entire fight and get a decision.. i'm happy to see how many people are giving lytle the pick.. it would be so easy just to give it to Kos, but obviously there are many problems Lytle could present.. Kos almost got caught in a guillotine AND a triangle in the Hazelett fight.. i think Lytle will catch him in a triangle too, but i think he'll seal the deal.. so, i have "Lights Out" with a 2nd round triangle.. Apparently Buchholz does have some heavy hands, but I think Hill will be able to fight carefully to avoid the Big Blow, yet still get the finish.. isn't he being coached by Jeremy Horn, now? We didn't even see his ground game in his last fight [submission-wise]. Corey Hill via Triangle choke 3rd in the 3rd round.. Stevenson via UD [i think Gleison will be a tough fight, but not too tough to overcome] Rampage via 3rd round TKO [everytime i think that Forrest can win, i remember Rampage's last three fights, and i start to cry... lol... I want Forrest to take this sooo badly, but it seems physically impossible.. he can win the stand up if he just counters and stays away.. but.. 5 rounds is too long to do that with someone like Rampage.. and he CAN get a sub off his back.. but by the time he's on his back, he'll either be seconds from losing conciousness, or getting pounded more viciously than he ever has in his life.. i keep thinking "oh, forrest can definitely win" but then i think "if he got KO'd by Jardine, what on God's Green Earth would stop him from getting KO'd by Rampage??" i'll be pulling for Forrest in every way possible, and i'm sure i'll be jumping out of my seat, but, unfortunately, i think it's just impossible this time] Guillard KO r1 [this one's easy, if Siver gets caught up in the striking, it's inevitable, and i don't think Siver will be pulling any sub's out any time soon] Gonzaga via armbar r3/ McCully via UD [this fight will be boring, there's not doubt.. it's a fact.. these guys will both be soooo tired from laying on each other for 12 minutes or so and then Gabriel will get some miracle armbar in the closing minutes.. either that, or those few minutes will go by and McCully will get the UD, mark my words] Tyson Griffon via UD [YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BADLY I WANT AURELIO TO SUBMIT TYSON!!! unfortunately, i don't think it will happen.. Tyson, IMO, has had cotroversial decisions [as in, bad judging] over Clay Guida, Thiago Tavares, and most recently, Gleison Tibau.. those fights have led me to not like Griffon.. he's a good fighter, but i root against him now.. i thought Guida beat him.. i thought, although he was on top, Tavares had more attempts to finish the fight in their fight.. and i definately though Tibau had him beat, because of all the takedowns.. but, Tyson won all of those.. and he'll win this one] i am VERY SUPRISED TO SEE that everyone chose Cole Miller over Gurgel.. i don’t know why, but my immediate reaction was to pick Jorge.. i think Cole’s sub’s are great.. but i think Gurgel will just fight in his guard the entire fight and get a decision..

i’m happy to see how many people are giving lytle the pick.. it would be so easy just to give it to Kos, but obviously there are many problems Lytle could present.. Kos almost got caught in a guillotine AND a triangle in the Hazelett fight.. i think Lytle will catch him in a triangle too, but i think he’ll seal the deal.. so, i have “Lights Out” with a 2nd round triangle..

Apparently Buchholz does have some heavy hands, but I think Hill will be able to fight carefully to avoid the Big Blow, yet still get the finish.. isn’t he being coached by Jeremy Horn, now? We didn’t even see his ground game in his last fight [submission-wise]. Corey Hill via Triangle choke 3rd in the 3rd round..

Stevenson via UD [i think Gleison will be a tough fight, but not too tough to overcome]

Rampage via 3rd round TKO [everytime i think that Forrest can win, i remember Rampage's last three fights, and i start to cry... lol... I want Forrest to take this sooo badly, but it seems physically impossible.. he can win the stand up if he just counters and stays away.. but.. 5 rounds is too long to do that with someone like Rampage.. and he CAN get a sub off his back.. but by the time he's on his back, he'll either be seconds from losing conciousness, or getting pounded more viciously than he ever has in his life.. i keep thinking "oh, forrest can definitely win" but then i think "if he got KO'd by Jardine, what on God's Green Earth would stop him from getting KO'd by Rampage??" i'll be pulling for Forrest in every way possible, and i'm sure i'll be jumping out of my seat, but, unfortunately, i think it's just impossible this time]

Guillard KO r1 [this one's easy, if Siver gets caught up in the striking, it's inevitable, and i don't think Siver will be pulling any sub's out any time soon]

Gonzaga via armbar r3/ McCully via UD [this fight will be boring, there's not doubt.. it's a fact.. these guys will both be soooo tired from laying on each other for 12 minutes or so and then Gabriel will get some miracle armbar in the closing minutes.. either that, or those few minutes will go by and McCully will get the UD, mark my words]

Tyson Griffon via UD [YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BADLY I WANT AURELIO TO SUBMIT TYSON!!! unfortunately, i don't think it will happen.. Tyson, IMO, has had cotroversial decisions [as in, bad judging] over Clay Guida, Thiago Tavares, and most recently, Gleison Tibau.. those fights have led me to not like Griffon.. he’s a good fighter, but i root against him now.. i thought Guida beat him.. i thought, although he was on top, Tavares had more attempts to finish the fight in their fight.. and i definately though Tibau had him beat, because of all the takedowns.. but, Tyson won all of those.. and he’ll win this one]

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]]> By: Ian http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37031 Ian Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:42:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37031 Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin - People are making much more of this fight than it really is. Rampage, GNP TKO - round 3. Patrick Cote vs. Ricardo Almeida - Almeida wins this easily. Submission, round 1. Joe Stevenson vs. Gleison Tibau - I expect Joe Daddy to come out really hungry and control the pace. UD Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Lytle - Kos UD. Tyson Griffin vs. Marcus Aurelio - Toughest fight to pick. Griffin via split decision. Predicting 1 undercard fight. - Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Justin McCully - Napao all day in this one. Submission, round 1. Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin – People are making much more of this fight than it really is. Rampage, GNP TKO – round 3.

Patrick Cote vs. Ricardo Almeida – Almeida wins this easily. Submission, round 1.

Joe Stevenson vs. Gleison Tibau – I expect Joe Daddy to come out really hungry and control the pace. UD

Josh Koscheck vs. Chris Lytle – Kos UD.

Tyson Griffin vs. Marcus Aurelio – Toughest fight to pick. Griffin via split decision.

Predicting 1 undercard fight. – Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Justin McCully – Napao all day in this one. Submission, round 1.

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]]> By: Matt McEwen http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/comment-page-1/#comment-37026 Matt McEwen Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:27:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/04/pain-poll-5-oz-staff-previews-and-predicts-entire-card-for-ufc-86/#comment-37026 Did anyone catch Rampage on ESPN saying that a win over Forrest wouldn't help his P4P ranking since Griffin isn't one of the top guys in the division? He also said he's only fighting Forrest because they pay him, and it's just another guy to defend against. Who said there was no trash talk going on here. Did anyone catch Rampage on ESPN saying that a win over Forrest wouldn’t help his P4P ranking since Griffin isn’t one of the top guys in the division? He also said he’s only fighting Forrest because they pay him, and it’s just another guy to defend against.

Who said there was no trash talk going on here.

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