Comments on: Association of Boxing Commissions amend Unified Rules of MMA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 12:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Darrin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37574 Darrin Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:23:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37574 My favorite of the new rules, personally, is that they specifically clarified that stomps to the feet of a standing opponent = stomps = illegal. This isn't getting much coverage at all through the internet, I feel, but I had previously seen a lot of complaining about foot stomping and feel better now that it's specifically illegal. My favorite of the new rules, personally, is that they specifically clarified that stomps to the feet of a standing opponent = stomps = illegal. This isn’t getting much coverage at all through the internet, I feel, but I had previously seen a lot of complaining about foot stomping and feel better now that it’s specifically illegal.

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]]> By: Ant http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37441 Ant Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:04:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37441 Here is my proposed fix for the weight classes that should accommodate all parties involved and won't require any modifications to UFC or EliteXC weight classes: Use the following bases for the weight classes: Flyweight: Up to 125 lbs Bantamweight: Max 135 lbs Featherweight: Max 145 lbs Lightweight: Max 155 lbs Welterweight: Max 170 lbs Middleweight: Max 185 lbs Light Heavyweight: Max 200 lbs Heavyweight: Max 265 lbs Super Heavyweight: Over 265 lbs Allow the promotion the option of adding +5 lbs to the weight class without violating the unified rules Add a SUPER per each weight class by adding +10 lbs to it provided it does not reach the next weight class' base The weight classes would then be defined as: Flyweight: Up to 125 lbs or 130 lbs Bantamweight: Max 135 lbs or 140 lbs Featherweight: Max 145 lbs or 150 lbs Lightweight: Max 155 lbs or 160 lbs (Super Lightweight: Max 165 lbs) Welterweight: Max 170 lbs or 175 lbs (Super Welterweight: Max 180 lbs) Middleweight: Max 185 lbs or 190 lbs (Super Middleweight: Max 195 lbs) Light Heavyweight: Max 200 lbs or 205 lbs (Super Light Heavyweight: Max 210 lbs) Heavyweight: Max 265 lbs Super Heavyweight: Over 265 lbs UFC would use Lightweight (155), Welterweight (170), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205), and Heavyweight (265) and not violate the unified rules EliteXC would use Lightweight(155+5=160), Welterweight (170), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205) and Heavyweight (265) and not violate the unified rules If we wanted to accommodate DREAM's weight class, we could ammend the following: Allow the promotion the option of subtracting -2 lbs to the weight class without violating the unified rules DREAM would use Featherweight (145), Lightweight (155-1=154), Welterweight (170-2=168), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205), and Heavyweight (265) Here is my proposed fix for the weight classes that should accommodate all parties involved and won’t require any modifications to UFC or EliteXC weight classes:

Use the following bases for the weight classes:

Flyweight: Up to 125 lbs
Bantamweight: Max 135 lbs
Featherweight: Max 145 lbs
Lightweight: Max 155 lbs
Welterweight: Max 170 lbs
Middleweight: Max 185 lbs
Light Heavyweight: Max 200 lbs
Heavyweight: Max 265 lbs
Super Heavyweight: Over 265 lbs

Allow the promotion the option of adding +5 lbs to the weight class without violating the unified rules
Add a SUPER per each weight class by adding +10 lbs to it provided it does not reach the next weight class’ base

The weight classes would then be defined as:

Flyweight: Up to 125 lbs or 130 lbs
Bantamweight: Max 135 lbs or 140 lbs
Featherweight: Max 145 lbs or 150 lbs
Lightweight: Max 155 lbs or 160 lbs (Super Lightweight: Max 165 lbs)
Welterweight: Max 170 lbs or 175 lbs (Super Welterweight: Max 180 lbs)
Middleweight: Max 185 lbs or 190 lbs (Super Middleweight: Max 195 lbs)
Light Heavyweight: Max 200 lbs or 205 lbs (Super Light Heavyweight: Max 210 lbs)
Heavyweight: Max 265 lbs
Super Heavyweight: Over 265 lbs

UFC would use Lightweight (155), Welterweight (170), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205), and Heavyweight (265) and not violate the unified rules

EliteXC would use Lightweight(155+5=160), Welterweight (170), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205) and Heavyweight (265) and not violate the unified rules

If we wanted to accommodate DREAM’s weight class, we could ammend the following:

Allow the promotion the option of subtracting -2 lbs to the weight class without violating the unified rules

DREAM would use Featherweight (145), Lightweight (155-1=154), Welterweight (170-2=168), Middleweight (185), Light Heavyweight (200+5=205), and Heavyweight (265)

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]]> By: Are you having a laugh?. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37395 Are you having a laugh?. Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:59:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37395 And stomps, soccer kicks, a roped ring and those silly restarts...on purpose. And stomps, soccer kicks, a roped ring and those silly restarts…on purpose.

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]]> By: kirby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37393 kirby Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:47:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37393 # 11 You forgot yellow cards like they use/used in Dream/Pride. # 11 You forgot yellow cards like they use/used in Dream/Pride.

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]]> By: sobral311 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37385 sobral311 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:24:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37385 what is that???? what is that????

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37363 Cathedron Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:06:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37363 I really, really like the new weight classes in all respects, but I don't think they are really needed just yet. There just aren't enough fighters to really fill out all these weight classes right now, but it needs to be in place to allow for growth of the sport. Plus, it allows for more flexibility if a fighter wants to take on new challenges in other divisions. For now though, I just can't see the UFC coming up with eight champions and actually having enough challengers in each division to make those belts mean something. But give it a few more years and I think that's exactly what we'll see. Along with more champs holding belts in multiple divisions. Give us knees on the ground, dammit! It enlivens the ground game in so many ways. I really, really like the new weight classes in all respects, but I don’t think they are really needed just yet. There just aren’t enough fighters to really fill out all these weight classes right now, but it needs to be in place to allow for growth of the sport. Plus, it allows for more flexibility if a fighter wants to take on new challenges in other divisions. For now though, I just can’t see the UFC coming up with eight champions and actually having enough challengers in each division to make those belts mean something. But give it a few more years and I think that’s exactly what we’ll see. Along with more champs holding belts in multiple divisions.

Give us knees on the ground, dammit! It enlivens the ground game in so many ways.

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]]> By: Are you having a laugh?. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37358 Are you having a laugh?. Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:46:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37358 Then new rules in Are you having a laugh land: 1) 6 3 minute rds for non champ fights and 10 3 min rds for champ fights. The reason for this is to counter fatuige and sombody only having to perform 3 "take and hold downs downs" to win a fight. A lot of bjj guys may say that its not long enough for them to improve position and set up a sub but it isn't a bjj match. 2) Knees allowed to downed opp. This works well in Dream and did work well in Pride and I think it adds to the fight. 3) No elbows to downed opp. Winning by cuts is a cheap way to win and people don't count that kind of win as a real win. Also it makes the fighter have to posture up for punches rather than hugging and delivering little elbows . It also creates more opportunity for subs from the fighter on his back 4) Hugging or stalling an opp is 3 warnings and then a point deduction. 5) Judging will be done by a three button system. Buttons 1, 2 and 3 worth 1 point 2 points and 3 points respectively. What you get the points for is up for debate but perhaps 1 point for a clean punch/ kick or an acumulation of unclean blows. 2 points for a clean power punch/kick, an acumulation of unclean power blows, a reversal or a takedown and 3 points for a knock down or near submission. As far as the 165 guy having to fight GSP, why dosn't he cut weight like 99% of all other pro fighters? just like GSP does. Then new rules in Are you having a laugh land:

1) 6 3 minute rds for non champ fights and 10 3 min rds for champ fights.
The reason for this is to counter fatuige and sombody only having to perform 3 “take and hold downs downs” to win a fight. A lot of bjj guys may say that its not long enough for them to improve position and set up a sub but it isn’t a bjj match.

2) Knees allowed to downed opp.
This works well in Dream and did work well in Pride and I think it adds to the fight.

3) No elbows to downed opp.
Winning by cuts is a cheap way to win and people don’t count that kind of win as a real win. Also it makes the fighter have to posture up for punches rather than hugging and delivering little elbows . It also creates more opportunity for subs from the fighter on his back

4) Hugging or stalling an opp is 3 warnings and then a point deduction.

5) Judging will be done by a three button system.
Buttons 1, 2 and 3 worth 1 point 2 points and 3 points respectively. What you get the points for is up for debate but perhaps 1 point for a clean punch/ kick or an acumulation of unclean blows. 2 points for a clean power punch/kick, an acumulation of unclean power blows, a reversal or a takedown and 3 points for a knock down or near submission.

As far as the 165 guy having to fight GSP, why dosn’t he cut weight like 99% of all other pro fighters? just like GSP does.

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]]> By: kirby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37304 kirby Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:44:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37304 I saw an interview with Herb Dean and in it he claimed the "headphone" no striking zone is the rule in Cali. so he inforces it everywhere to keep his calls the same in every fight. So will he honor the new rule in say Navada if Cali doesn't adopt the new rule? That would seem like an easy yes but he has already said no in some cases. I saw an interview with Herb Dean and in it he claimed the “headphone” no striking zone is the rule in Cali. so he inforces it everywhere to keep his calls the same in every fight. So will he honor the new rule in say Navada if Cali doesn’t adopt the new rule? That would seem like an easy yes but he has already said no in some cases.

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]]> By: kirby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37288 kirby Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:33:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37288 Jake Big John Mcarthy was trying to get knees to the head of downed opponents in the rules. Before the meeting he said it wasn't happening this year but that he and others would keep working on it. Jake Big John Mcarthy was trying to get knees to the head of downed opponents in the rules. Before the meeting he said it wasn’t happening this year but that he and others would keep working on it.

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]]> By: kirby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37273 kirby Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:26:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37273 HexRei @ #5 I've been think that sence they started talking about dropping the larger weight classes. I think they should do it one at a time though. Bring in a 125 class, buld it up and then start on the next. They probably will do it like that. They also might bring in the smaller fighters on a fight by fight basis and build a divison around any that create buzz and start drawing a good sized fan base. HexRei @ #5 I’ve been think that sence they started talking about dropping the larger weight classes. I think they should do it one at a time though. Bring in a 125 class, buld it up and then start on the next. They probably will do it like that. They also might bring in the smaller fighters on a fight by fight basis and build a divison around any that create buzz and start drawing a good sized fan base.

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]]> By: Jake http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37244 Jake Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:13:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37244 I'm quite surprised that no one at the ABC even mentioned knees to the head of a grounded opponent. That's the one technique that I truly miss from PRIDE. I could do without the soccer kicks but I think that by allowing knees to the head of a grounded opponent, there will be a lot less stalling in the north/south position. I’m quite surprised that no one at the ABC even mentioned knees to the head of a grounded opponent. That’s the one technique that I truly miss from PRIDE. I could do without the soccer kicks but I think that by allowing knees to the head of a grounded opponent, there will be a lot less stalling in the north/south position.

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]]> By: egad81 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37192 egad81 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:23:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37192 they should have added a standing 8 count... that would fix the quick stoppage problem. they should have added a standing 8 count… that would fix the quick stoppage problem.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37190 HexRei Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:06:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37190 Also I like the extra possibilities created by the new classes in terms of women's fights and lower men's weight classes... If the WEC drops MW and LHW it might be a good idea for them to pick up a few other low weight classes. Also I like the extra possibilities created by the new classes in terms of women’s fights and lower men’s weight classes… If the WEC drops MW and LHW it might be a good idea for them to pick up a few other low weight classes.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37189 HexRei Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:05:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37189 I like the changes, and I like the fact that the UFC doesn't have to utilize them. I see no problem with extra classes defined as long as it is on a voluntary basis. And of the rules, the only thing I disike is the "smothering" rule. If you can't defend a smother you have no business being in a fight. I like the changes, and I like the fact that the UFC doesn’t have to utilize them. I see no problem with extra classes defined as long as it is on a voluntary basis. And of the rules, the only thing I disike is the “smothering” rule. If you can’t defend a smother you have no business being in a fight.

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]]> By: drightler http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37188 drightler Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:04:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37188 As far as the weight class changes go, it might be a headache for the promotions to implement the new divisions, but it's nothing insurmountable. The UFC would have to add 3 weight divisions and spring for as many new belts. Silva will be named the Super Welterweight champ and they will hold a title bout for the new Middleweight division. This goes for the other classes that changed as well. As far as fighters are concerned nothing will really change all that much. Guys will still cut down to the lightest division they can without killing themselves doing so. GSP will still be a welterweight, only he will get a 5lb break in weight cutting. It does open up opportunities for fighters that are "small" for a division. Like a fighter who currently fights at 205 because they can't make the cut to 185, but under the new classes could make the 195 cut. The real problem I see with this is that the divisions are going to thin out. Is there enough talent to fill all these classes? Only time will tell. As far as the weight class changes go, it might be a headache for the promotions to implement the new divisions, but it’s nothing insurmountable. The UFC would have to add 3 weight divisions and spring for as many new belts. Silva will be named the Super Welterweight champ and they will hold a title bout for the new Middleweight division. This goes for the other classes that changed as well. As far as fighters are concerned nothing will really change all that much. Guys will still cut down to the lightest division they can without killing themselves doing so. GSP will still be a welterweight, only he will get a 5lb break in weight cutting. It does open up opportunities for fighters that are “small” for a division. Like a fighter who currently fights at 205 because they can’t make the cut to 185, but under the new classes could make the 195 cut. The real problem I see with this is that the divisions are going to thin out. Is there enough talent to fill all these classes? Only time will tell.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37187 Jeremy Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:59:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37187 Totally agree on the weight classes Adam. I didn't have any problem with the ones that were already in place and actually liked that there weren't so many, unlike boxing, which confuses me all the time. I really hope the commissions don't follow their guidelines on weight classes. As for the rules, completely agree with them and have no issue with what they did at all. It was good to get some clarification. I would have loved to get some changes to the scoring system, but that might be a longer process to come up with. Totally agree on the weight classes Adam. I didn’t have any problem with the ones that were already in place and actually liked that there weren’t so many, unlike boxing, which confuses me all the time. I really hope the commissions don’t follow their guidelines on weight classes.

As for the rules, completely agree with them and have no issue with what they did at all. It was good to get some clarification. I would have loved to get some changes to the scoring system, but that might be a longer process to come up with.

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]]> By: brett http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/comment-page-1/#comment-37184 brett Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:56:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/05/association-of-boxing-commissions-amend-unified-rules-of-mma/#comment-37184 im honestly kinda bummed out about the cupping rule. because i use that alot. im honestly kinda bummed out about the cupping rule. because i use that alot.

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