Comments on: UFC 86: Fight Critic Review

By: Are you having a laugh?.

Are you having a laugh?. — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:13:29 +0000

If its between this fight and the Cung vs Shamrock for fight of the year we would have had the worst year in MMA history.

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By: kobracom

kobracom — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:26:52 +0000

I don’t know what drugs all of you are on that say that was the fight of the year. Second I think it is sad that Forrests performance won him a belt. He is waaay to overrated.

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By: Kel

Kel — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:21:50 +0000

Your feeling on Ads during PPV is the same feeling I got the first time I saw a commercial in a movie theater…I could tolerate something like this if they used it to make the PPV a bit cheaper. A price of $29.95 – $34.95 would have made it a much more attractive purchase. They could even limit the commercials to the closed-circuit broadcasts.

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By: screwface

screwface — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:04:48 +0000

i agree ufc hd is not up to par with other hd when it comes to sports. yes it looks way better than the standard broadcast but you would think ufc would spend the extra dollar. compare it any other sports hd it just doesnt seem to be as clear. even wwe hd ppvs have a cleaner look to them, and i may have walked past a tv once or twice with one playing to compare :p

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:46:14 +0000

I think Lyoto Machida is the #1 fighter in the world at this point.. Grifin #2, Page #3.

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By: kirby

kirby — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:39:30 +0000

Sam when you say Forest is now the #1 lhw in the world you are correct but that doesn’t stop me from feeling like that statement is wrong. It probably comes down to how Griffen wins compared to how other #1s win. In the UFC BJ, GSP, and Anderson all have dominant wins over top tallent. Griffen wins with intangables like heart, toughness, and smarts. He doesn’t blow peoples doors off. He hangs around and pounces on mistakes. He out works and out cardios people. These things make people underestimate him, myself included. I was at work and didn’t get to watch the fight so all I can say about Griffen now is; he is the champ and he is the #1 guy but…. ” Being the man and staying the man are two different things.” I would also wish Griffen luck but I don’t realy like the guy.

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By: kingiefella

kingiefella — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:58:40 +0000

I agree with #22….Rampage clearly stated that he got his ass beat last night…how can anyone say they feel he won that fight? Clearly they were watching this fight through their beer goggles….when they sober up and watch it again they will see that forrest clearly won…ok,…it wasnt the KO win or complete dominant win but a win is a win….rampage had his chance that night to beat forrest…..didnt do it or couldnt do it…it doesnt matter. I feel that yes he should get his rematch but i feel he should go to the back of the line because there are other fighters who should get there chance. Rampage should have maybe 1 or 2 fights then meet the champ (if its forrest) and do what he has to do.

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By: cheapshot

cheapshot — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:49:48 +0000

Sam, don’t forget that it’s more than likely that you’re arguing with an angsty 12 year old. Think Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, I know it’s difficult but I don’t see why you should waste your time responding point for point to these people when they clearly don’t put anything like the amount of time you do into their comments. You could always go round their houses and roshambo them like jay and bob do, just an idea.

Just for the sake of argument I was torn between rampage by one, a draw and forrest by one. It’s clearly tough being a judge but how in the hell they come up with these scores is beyond me.

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By: Jay K.

Jay K. — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:28:28 +0000

Zack, you’re wrong. Rampage won rounds one and four convincingly with the serious 10-8 rd. 2 loss to Griffin. Griffin also won round three as the Champ didn’t do enough nor press the action. Rd. 5 looked to me could’ve gone either way but it was more a Griffin round.

My breakdown:

Rd.1 R-10 F-9
Rd.2 R-8 F-10
Rd.3 R-9 F-10
Rd.4 R-10 F-9
Rd.5 R-9 F-10

Both guys are classy and terrific individuals which made the fight all the more enjoyable.

Cheers,

Jay K.

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By: Anton K

Anton K — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:01:30 +0000

Demon 6.0

I agree. Was Rampage afraid of the knees? The fifth round SUCKED.

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By: Demon6.0

Demon6.0 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:57:36 +0000

“And was it just me, or did Griffin steal the gameplan that Keith Jardine used to fight Chuck Liddell?”

100%! I said exactly the thing to a buddy who’d been watching the fight with me afterward.

For my money, being a huge Rampage fan, I was very disappointed by the loss. But at the halfway mark of Round 5, I had pretty much given up hope. Jackson’s punching was awesome, but Griffin apparently feels no pain whatsoever. I was really disappointed to see Jackson not using his wrestling, because I think that a successful takedown and some ground-and-pound in the fifth could potentially have swayed the decision his way.

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By: Anton K

Anton K — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:40:36 +0000

American consumers get slowly duped into receiving less and less for our money… but I digress before I even begin.

I thought the Griffin/Rampage fight left a little to be desired. Griffin fought a great gameplan against a bored looking Rampage and barely won the fight. The hollow drama of the entire affair was echoed quite loudly by the booing fans. The fifth round was a piss poor showing that clearly reflected the direction the UFC is heading:

Overhyped and underwhelming. Is there any cultural relevance to Griffin’s championship? At least Rampage KO’ed Chuck Liddell, the face of the UFC. In this case, I felt like Rampage was the black man in the conference room that knew his time was over.

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By: Cathedron

Cathedron — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:22:25 +0000

I’m not too upset with the UFC doing commercials during their PPVs. I mean, if they don’t do that, then they’d just raise the price of the PPVs. There’s really no winning when it comes to stuff like that. Plus, there needs to be SOME point during the broadcast when I can go to the bathroom without feeling like I missed anything interesting.

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By: j-rock

j-rock — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:20:00 +0000

Forest did not take it from the champ, PERIOD! You have to beat the champ to be the champ. This just sets up Dana Whites wet dream of Griffin vs Chuck Lidell. Also, for all the Elite XC haters, the PPV sucked beyond anything Elite XC has put out, the main event was the highlight. Right???!!!!

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By: neijia

neijia — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:50:34 +0000

#14 jaydog – yeah, exactly. and if a fight is basically too close to call you don’t give it to the challenger who didn’t convincingly win… oh well rematch!

Machida looks like the next #1 contender in my book

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By: marc

marc — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:12:06 +0000

Great review!! Although IMO Kos looked pretty good.
Hopefully future fights will be:
- Okami vs Silva or if not Okami vs. Cote for the #1 contendor and title shot
- Rampage vs Wandy – I think timing is perfect for this and Rampage only defended his belt succesfully once
- Thiago vs. Machida for #1 or Machida vs Forrest next (this is probaly a snoozefest but maybe most deserving contender right now)

Thoughts on this Sam??

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By: Donk

Donk — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:41:32 +0000

The UFC has vast sums of money, a huge brand bigger than even the sport itself and the majority of the worlds best talent. Then why do they consistently fail to put on the mega-cards, the so called super bowl of MMA that they were shouting about a year ago? I mean for the even in Birmingham Michael Bisping is headlining for Christ’s sake!

I also don’t understand how they always leave it up to the fighters to put on a good show, are they incapable of adding to the entertainment? Why is their programme always filled with the same out-dated parts? Can’t they be creative and original, or are they too scared to change what is proved to be a winning product?

In my view the UFC continues to squander the fantastic chances they have as the market leader in MMA. They could be doing so much more. If this is indeed the ‘greatest sport in the world’, they should treat it as such. But I think it’s more likely that they can’t match the growth of their product, with the growth of their company and the sport. Which is pathetic.

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By: Plague

Plague — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:36:22 +0000

Great, I just bookmarked this site and it turns out it’s just a bitch-fest like fight linker.

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By: dunlop

dunlop — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:35:15 +0000

I like Caplan’s articles and this is a fantastic site.

I was just mentioning that after every show, Caplan complains about the HD broadcast. He complains about paying the extra $5 every time. Watch the fights not in HD and tell me if the extra $5 was worth it, it always is.

I am just stating that as a die-hard HD guy, the picture is very nice and is worth the extra money.

He complains about the HD and I complain about him complaining about the HD..it’s a vicious circle.

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By: Ian

Ian — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:27:42 +0000

They need to rematch. Upon a second viewing I still think Rampage won the fight. I’m a fan of both guys for various reasons, so there’s no bias here. While it’s no doubt that Griffin tends to get help from the judges, he had a good game plan, and those leg kicks he threw nullified Quinton’s explosiveness in terms of finishing the job on Forrest when he had him in trouble with strikes. So, it wasn’t a robbery in the Bisping/Hamill sense, but Quinton deserves an immediate rematch.

I’m still disappointed that Almeida gassed like that. I honestly thought he would have an easy run through Cote and get a 1st round sub.

#1 wrote – “Simple. If the customer does not like the product, the customer should not buy the product.”

This ridiculous notion that if you critique or dislike a certain part of something you really enjoy on the whole, that it absolves the parts you don’t like from criticism is just completely asinine. Or, if you do criticize a certain portion of something, then you should just not watch, buy, or do that thing all together is even worse.

I want you to read the next paragraph thoroughly and let it sink in.

People who are passionate about a certain product are going to critique it in hopes to improve those areas that they would like to see changed. It’s called quality improvement, and if nobody ever complained about a product they otherwise enjoyed in an effort to make it better, we’d all be driving cars with no airbags on the way to watch a black and white TV, in a house with no air conditioning.

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