Comments on: EliteXC Unfinished Business: Lawler vs. Smith II RESULTS http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 12:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41526 batman Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:47:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41526 Elite xc and Srtrikeforce already did a show together Elite xc and Srtrikeforce already did a show together

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]]> By: patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41487 patrick Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:18:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41487 Pro Elite OWNS both StrikeForce and Elite XC and the rights to the fighters and past footage, etc. Pro Elite has TV deals with CBS(Elite XC),NBC(Strikeforce) and now FSN(??)not to mention the non-exclusive contracts that most if not all the fighters are signed to. I believe that they have the right to sign whoever they want to a fight. If Cung Le vs. Robbie Lawler makes sense to them then they will get that fight signed.Me, personally, I think it makes perfect sense and would be a good draw. You need to show me a link to the article where it says "it was made clear that NBC did not want any fighters appearing on both shows." NBC doesn't even have a deal to show live shows. their deal involves showing nothing but replays at 3 a.m. i believe that your statement @#66 was incorrect. You have failed. Pro Elite OWNS both StrikeForce and Elite XC and the rights to the fighters and past footage, etc. Pro Elite has TV deals with CBS(Elite XC),NBC(Strikeforce) and now FSN(??)not to mention the non-exclusive contracts that most if not all the fighters are signed to. I believe that they have the right to sign whoever they want to a fight. If Cung Le vs. Robbie Lawler makes sense to them then they will get that fight signed.Me, personally, I think it makes perfect sense and would be a good draw. You need to show me a link to the article where it says “it was made clear that NBC did not want any fighters appearing on both shows.” NBC doesn’t even have a deal to show live shows. their deal involves showing nothing but replays at 3 a.m.

i believe that your statement @#66 was incorrect.

You have failed.

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41472 Jeremy Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:03:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41472 #63, Your friend feels that the Elite fighters are equal to the UFC fighters? Interesting thought, but one I certainly don't agree with. If this was the prevailing thought, the Ultimate Fight Nights would have caused the UFC ppvs to die, and that clearly has not happened. Regarding Anderson Silva: He was mentioned as the best fighter in the world and UFC "Light Heavyweight Champion." If anything, it told folks that the UFC had the best fighter in the world. Obviously you are a big Elite fan, and that is great. But Elite has a long way to go to make it. They still have not made any money. When the Q-10 for the second quarter of 08 (The one with the first CBS show) comes out, it will show they have lost even more money and will have passed the 40 million dollar marker. They can make it, but last night's ratings proved they have a lot of work to do. Kimbo and Gina may draw, but a great fight on the first show did not convince the viewers to watch Lawler/Smith II. On a separate note: Le and Lawler will not be fighting. Strikeforce has a deal with NBC, Elite with CBS. It has been made clear that NBC does not want any fighters appearing on both shows. Strikeforce and Elite have worked together because of the legal settlement, you will not see their fighters facing each other. #63, Your friend feels that the Elite fighters are equal to the UFC fighters? Interesting thought, but one I certainly don’t agree with. If this was the prevailing thought, the Ultimate Fight Nights would have caused the UFC ppvs to die, and that clearly has not happened.

Regarding Anderson Silva: He was mentioned as the best fighter in the world and UFC “Light Heavyweight Champion.” If anything, it told folks that the UFC had the best fighter in the world.

Obviously you are a big Elite fan, and that is great. But Elite has a long way to go to make it. They still have not made any money. When the Q-10 for the second quarter of 08 (The one with the first CBS show) comes out, it will show they have lost even more money and will have passed the 40 million dollar marker.

They can make it, but last night’s ratings proved they have a lot of work to do. Kimbo and Gina may draw, but a great fight on the first show did not convince the viewers to watch Lawler/Smith II.

On a separate note: Le and Lawler will not be fighting. Strikeforce has a deal with NBC, Elite with CBS. It has been made clear that NBC does not want any fighters appearing on both shows.

Strikeforce and Elite have worked together because of the legal settlement, you will not see their fighters facing each other.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41469 Rich S. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:46:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41469 "Frank Shamrock eats Joe Rogan. Maybe its time the UFC should make Kenny Florian permanent in addition to Joe Rogan" ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Rogan's the good one.. Goldie's the one they need to replace.. if it was Rogan/Kenflo.. i would be fine.. “Frank Shamrock eats Joe Rogan. Maybe its time the UFC should make Kenny Florian permanent in addition to Joe Rogan”

ARE YOU SERIOUS??

Rogan’s the good one..

Goldie’s the one they need to replace..

if it was Rogan/Kenflo.. i would be fine..

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]]> By: paul http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41453 paul Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:45:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41453 Man, did Mauro suck bad last night. His usual dose of over-enunciation and stupid one-liners (i.e. "that fight lasted about as long as Brett Favre's retirement") makes it hard to watch EliteXC with the sound on. Will someone please tell him that he is not announcing big-time wrestling? Annoying twerp. Man, did Mauro suck bad last night. His usual dose of over-enunciation and stupid one-liners (i.e. “that fight lasted about as long as Brett Favre’s retirement”) makes it hard to watch EliteXC with the sound on. Will someone please tell him that he is not announcing big-time wrestling? Annoying twerp.

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]]> By: 5percentbodyfat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41451 5percentbodyfat Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:18:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41451 My friend a casual fan said this too me earlier today, "why in the world would I pay $50 for UFC when I can watch this?" Simply put I had no response, as the announcers made their case last night "styles makes fights, not fighters." The UFC might have its hands full gaining new fans who appreciate good fights instead of the best p4p fighter beating a guy in a minute or so in what can only be deemed a novelty fight. - Production wise, of course this is going to be better than the last production. But I think the key is that CBS has good production to begin with and just built upon it. - Frank Shamrock eats Joe Rogan. Maybe its time the UFC should make Kenny Florian permanent in addition to Joe Rogan. - Nick Diaz is a good fighter, always has been and could build a following if he stays focused. Good job Robbie like always. - CBS needs more stars per card. Or just how the UFC made its premiere flagship the light heavyweight division, and Affliction did so with heavyweights, maybe Elite XC can do the same but market their fighters as straight brawlers, which would be more appropriate for the casual fan. - Bigger surprise than actual fights....................Anderson Silva appearing at the event fully in front of cameras. Why? What benefit is this to the UFC instead of getting mentioned as an afterthought on network tv. What benefit does it have for CBS? It adds CREDIBILITY, to a production thats barely off its feet. My friend a casual fan said this too me earlier today, “why in the world would I pay $50 for UFC when I can watch this?” Simply put I had no response, as the announcers made their case last night “styles makes fights, not fighters.” The UFC might have its hands full gaining new fans who appreciate good fights instead of the best p4p fighter beating a guy in a minute or so in what can only be deemed a novelty fight.

- Production wise, of course this is going to be better than the last production. But I think the key is that CBS has good production to begin with and just built upon it.

- Frank Shamrock eats Joe Rogan. Maybe its time the UFC should make Kenny Florian permanent in addition to Joe Rogan.

- Nick Diaz is a good fighter, always has been and could build a following if he stays focused. Good job Robbie like always.

- CBS needs more stars per card. Or just how the UFC made its premiere flagship the light heavyweight division, and Affliction did so with heavyweights, maybe Elite XC can do the same but market their fighters as straight brawlers, which would be more appropriate for the casual fan.

- Bigger surprise than actual fights………………..Anderson Silva appearing at the event fully in front of cameras. Why? What benefit is this to the UFC instead of getting mentioned as an afterthought on network tv. What benefit does it have for CBS? It adds CREDIBILITY, to a production thats barely off its feet.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41450 Rich S. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:10:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41450 oh, and right now i'm happy with any of the Lawler fight possibilities: Lawler/Ninja 2 Lawler/Smokin' Joey 2 Lawler/Shamrock Lawler/Le they all sound good to me.. oh, and right now i’m happy with any of the Lawler fight possibilities:

Lawler/Ninja 2
Lawler/Smokin’ Joey 2
Lawler/Shamrock
Lawler/Le

they all sound good to me..

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41449 Rich S. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:08:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41449 "Girl, you will get your ass handed to you on a paper plate when you fight Cyborg." you know, i thought that about the Young fight too.. but, Cyborg looked smaller than in her previous fights.. and i actually think Gina could win, by keeping the distance with those straight kicks to the body.. but... who knows.. anyone else notice that at some point last night Mauro mentioned the UFC, i think during the Diaz fight, and all of a sudden immediately stopped talking and switched the subject in mid-sentence?? i think the only time they're aloud to say those three letters is when they say "he's a UFC veteran".. seeing as how there seems to be this huge ball of hatred between the two companies.. with that said, i thought Shields might get in trouble for wanting to unify the EXC and UFC titles.. :) “Girl, you will get your ass handed to you on a paper plate when you fight Cyborg.”

you know, i thought that about the Young fight too..
but, Cyborg looked smaller than in her previous fights..
and i actually think Gina could win, by keeping the distance with those straight kicks to the body..

but… who knows..

anyone else notice that at some point last night Mauro mentioned the UFC, i think during the Diaz fight, and all of a sudden immediately stopped talking and switched the subject in mid-sentence??

i think the only time they’re aloud to say those three letters is when they say “he’s a UFC veteran”.. seeing as how there seems to be this huge ball of hatred between the two companies..

with that said, i thought Shields might get in trouble for wanting to unify the EXC and UFC titles..

:)

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]]> By: patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41447 patrick Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:04:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41447 Cung Le vs. Robbie Lawler to unify the belts......nuff said Cung Le vs. Robbie Lawler to unify the belts……nuff said

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41445 HexRei Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:20:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41445 @#58 Round length is up to the promoter in the case of either men or women- remember IFL did 4 minute rounds for men's bouts. So in answer to your question, no, other promotions can and do have different round lengths for women's bouts. Gina, for example, has fought five minute rounds before earlier in her career. @#58 Round length is up to the promoter in the case of either men or women- remember IFL did 4 minute rounds for men’s bouts. So in answer to your question, no, other promotions can and do have different round lengths for women’s bouts. Gina, for example, has fought five minute rounds before earlier in her career.

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]]> By: Bruce http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41444 Bruce Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:16:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41444 Are women's fights always 3 min rounds? Is this the rule in other promotions, too? Are women’s fights always 3 min rounds? Is this the rule in other promotions, too?

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41442 mike wolfe Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:26:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41442 The announcing was better because Johnson did most of the talking. Mauro chimed in, and his overhyped style was still jarring, but at least it was occasional and not constant. The announcing was better because Johnson did most of the talking. Mauro chimed in, and his overhyped style was still jarring, but at least it was occasional and not constant.

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41441 Cathedron Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:46:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41441 That was way better than I ever expected. It was an improvement in every way. All the fights were entertaining or better. The show kept up a brisk pace with very little downtime. Hell, they even kept a leash on Diaz. The only bad thing I can say about it is the announcing was still weak. Frankly, Elite XC has never looked better. I hope CBS exerts more of their influence at this rate. I hope the ratings were good. I want more of that. That was way better than I ever expected. It was an improvement in every way. All the fights were entertaining or better. The show kept up a brisk pace with very little downtime. Hell, they even kept a leash on Diaz. The only bad thing I can say about it is the announcing was still weak. Frankly, Elite XC has never looked better. I hope CBS exerts more of their influence at this rate. I hope the ratings were good. I want more of that.

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]]> By: BadMonkeyMW http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41440 BadMonkeyMW Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:46:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41440 #43, Shields would kill Jon Fitch?? Are you serious?? Shields looked great last night, but Josh Thompson isn't Jon Fitch's towel boy on his best day. GSP or Fitch take Shields to school on any day. #43, Shields would kill Jon Fitch?? Are you serious?? Shields looked great last night, but Josh Thompson isn’t Jon Fitch’s towel boy on his best day. GSP or Fitch take Shields to school on any day.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41438 Evan Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:23:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41438 ryan I am pretty sure he is still under contract with the IFL ryan I am pretty sure he is still under contract with the IFL

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]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41437 JollyDV Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:13:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41437 I really enjoyed this show so much more than the first. What a way to step it up!! Shayna was totally outmatched. Cyborg is scary! Gina was pumped, etc. Girl, you will get your ass handed to you on a paper plate when you fight Cyborg. Denny took a beating and just keep going. Props to the 37 year old in the pink shorts! Lawler/Smith II was good. Smith just seemed not to be in the fight like he should have been. It was as thought he would clinch and then start day dreaming. I really enjoyed this show so much more than the first. What a way to step it up!!

Shayna was totally outmatched. Cyborg is scary! Gina was pumped, etc. Girl, you will get your ass handed to you on a paper plate when you fight Cyborg.

Denny took a beating and just keep going. Props to the 37 year old in the pink shorts!

Lawler/Smith II was good. Smith just seemed not to be in the fight like he should have been. It was as thought he would clinch and then start day dreaming.

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]]> By: ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41436 ryan Sun, 27 Jul 2008 15:00:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41436 SAM or anybody can you tell me why Gomi is fighting a new opponent at WVR next show. i thought that he was going to fight Hordoki(?spell) ????? is it because the ufc bought the ifl and control his contract?? thanks SAM
or anybody can you tell me why Gomi is fighting a new opponent at WVR next show. i thought that he was going to fight Hordoki(?spell) ?????
is it because the ufc bought the ifl and control his contract??
thanks

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]]> By: Matt C. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41432 Matt C. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:07:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41432 "And you guys are the “Pro Elite insiders” right" what does that even mean? “And you guys are the “Pro Elite insiders” right” what does that even mean?

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41431 Jeremy Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:01:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41431 Overall, I thought it was ok, but nothing special. How many of the fights were great fights? Nick Diaz won an entertaining bout, but his performance did nothng to convince me he is a top tier fighter. Fighting like that, he won't make it out of the first round with Noons. Shields pulled out a convincing win over a quality opponent. Smith/Lawler was great and really made the show, but the rest was simply ok. Overall, I thought it was ok, but nothing special.

How many of the fights were great fights?

Nick Diaz won an entertaining bout, but his performance did nothng to convince me he is a top tier fighter.

Fighting like that, he won’t make it out of the first round with Noons.

Shields pulled out a convincing win over a quality opponent.

Smith/Lawler was great and really made the show, but the rest was simply ok.

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]]> By: slap yo mammy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/26/elitexc-unfinished-business-lawler-vs-smith-ii-results/comment-page-1/#comment-41425 slap yo mammy Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:26:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4330#comment-41425 man, i thought i was coming to Five Ounces of Pain for some actual fight coverage. And you guys are the "Pro Elite insiders" right?? HA! man, i thought i was coming to Five Ounces of Pain for some actual fight coverage. And you guys are the “Pro Elite insiders” right?? HA!

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