Comments on: Tim Sylvia expects to fight on second Affliction card http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:51:45 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41678 Michael Huckaby Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:21:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41678 aaronb is a very smart man. aaronb is a very smart man.

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]]> By: aaronb http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41637 aaronb Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:44:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41637 If there is no other competition. There is no incentive for the ufc to do things like 1. Pay fighters a fair wage 2. Put on consitently good fights 3. Put out so many free shows 4. Try and push themselves to be the best they can be Competition is good for the fans. Competition is good for the fighters. If there is no other competition. There is no incentive for the ufc to do things like

1. Pay fighters a fair wage
2. Put on consitently good fights
3. Put out so many free shows
4. Try and push themselves to be the best they can be

Competition is good for the fans. Competition is good for the fighters.

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]]> By: BJJDenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41634 BJJDenver Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:37:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41634 I guess I made my statement kind of muddled. What I'm saying, is that signing a great contract with a company that probably won't be around in 2 years, may not turn out to be that great of a deal. Great for all these guys that got paid, but no way Affliction can sustain that pay. 800k to Sylvia? 80 to Whitehead? Like I said, good for them. And you may not like UFC's controlling contracts, but if you were the business owner, you would be much happier if you owned a profitable UFC than say, EXC. Any promotion can tear up a contract for little or no reason, even the NFL does it all the time. I do think the UFC will start paying a little better and eliminate things like automatically renewing contracts, but they have shown a successful business model, how many other promotions can say that? I'm 100% for Affliction succeeding, but they won't if they keep losing tons of money. I guess I made my statement kind of muddled. What I’m saying, is that signing a great contract with a company that probably won’t be around in 2 years, may not turn out to be that great of a deal. Great for all these guys that got paid, but no way Affliction can sustain that pay. 800k to Sylvia? 80 to Whitehead? Like I said, good for them.

And you may not like UFC’s controlling contracts, but if you were the business owner, you would be much happier if you owned a profitable UFC than say, EXC. Any promotion can tear up a contract for little or no reason, even the NFL does it all the time. I do think the UFC will start paying a little better and eliminate things like automatically renewing contracts, but they have shown a successful business model, how many other promotions can say that? I’m 100% for Affliction succeeding, but they won’t if they keep losing tons of money.

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]]> By: ACK! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41629 ACK! Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:20:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41629 #15 & #17 BJJDenver The UFC signs many of their fighters to ridiculous exclusive contracts that automatically re-up at the same rate if you win all your fights, claim one of the belts, or basically prove you deserve more money. And if you lose one fight you can be released at any time--with your contract being used to wipe Dana's ass. However, more marketable fighters may not be so lucky as the UFC may even choose to wait out your contract, essentially stalling your career by preventing you from fighting for them or anyone else. Yeah, every promotion should follow the UFC's lead. #15 & #17 BJJDenver
The UFC signs many of their fighters to ridiculous exclusive contracts that automatically re-up at the same rate if you win all your fights, claim one of the belts, or basically prove you deserve more money. And if you lose one fight you can be released at any time–with your contract being used to wipe Dana’s ass. However, more marketable fighters may not be so lucky as the UFC may even choose to wait out your contract, essentially stalling your career by preventing you from fighting for them or anyone else.

Yeah, every promotion should follow the UFC’s lead.

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]]> By: aaronb http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41618 aaronb Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:41:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41618 Babalu made 180 Grand to fight for Affliction. He made 25 and 21 grand for his 2 UFC fights in 2007. I'm sure he really wishes he was back in the UFC. 180K for 1 fight > 46 K for 2 fights Babalu made 180 Grand to fight for Affliction.

He made 25 and 21 grand for his 2 UFC fights in 2007. I’m sure he really wishes he was back in the UFC.

180K for 1 fight > 46 K for 2 fights

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]]> By: aaronb http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41617 aaronb Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:36:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41617 # 14 BJJDenver Says: July 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm The thing is, there is only one promotion where you know you will be fighting and getting paid, the UFC. If you sign a 6 fight contract with Promotion X for 1 million per fight, that is great, but how great is it when they fold after 3 shows? I don’t see a mass exodus from the UFC to shows like EXC or Affliction, because in the UFC, the fighters know they will get the fights and the pay. I’m sure Babalu would rather be in the UFC still, considering how he has fared since being cut ........................................................................................................ Unless Dana White decides he wants to bench you. Then you can sit on the sidelines. Not get paid to not have any matches. Not be able to go fight elsewhere because of your exclusive UFC contract. Or they could just freeze you out and outright release you from your one-sided contract without paying you anything. The only sure thing about UFC contracts is that the UFC holds ALL the cards. # 14 BJJDenver Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
The thing is, there is only one promotion where you know you will be fighting and getting paid, the UFC. If you sign a 6 fight contract with Promotion X for 1 million per fight, that is great, but how great is it when they fold after 3 shows? I don’t see a mass exodus from the UFC to shows like EXC or Affliction, because in the UFC, the fighters know they will get the fights and the pay. I’m sure Babalu would rather be in the UFC still, considering how he has fared since being cut
…………………………………………………………………………………………..

Unless Dana White decides he wants to bench you. Then you can sit on the sidelines. Not get paid to not have any matches. Not be able to go fight elsewhere because of your exclusive UFC contract.

Or they could just freeze you out and outright release you from your one-sided contract without paying you anything. The only sure thing about UFC contracts is that the UFC holds ALL the cards.

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]]> By: BJJDenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41599 BJJDenver Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:58:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41599 And don't misunderstand me, I am all for competition, but these orgs need to be going about it the smart way and following business models like UFC or Strikeforce. And don’t misunderstand me, I am all for competition, but these orgs need to be going about it the smart way and following business models like UFC or Strikeforce.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41598 Matt Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:57:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41598 Why would LHW's move up weight? Affliction has a Light Heavyweight class too... Why would LHW’s move up weight? Affliction has a Light Heavyweight class too…

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]]> By: BJJDenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41597 BJJDenver Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:57:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41597 The thing is, there is only one promotion where you know you will be fighting and getting paid, the UFC. If you sign a 6 fight contract with Promotion X for 1 million per fight, that is great, but how great is it when they fold after 3 shows? I don't see a mass exodus from the UFC to shows like EXC or Affliction, because in the UFC, the fighters know they will get the fights and the pay. I'm sure Babalu would rather be in the UFC still, considering how he has fared since being cut. The thing is, there is only one promotion where you know you will be fighting and getting paid, the UFC. If you sign a 6 fight contract with Promotion X for 1 million per fight, that is great, but how great is it when they fold after 3 shows? I don’t see a mass exodus from the UFC to shows like EXC or Affliction, because in the UFC, the fighters know they will get the fights and the pay. I’m sure Babalu would rather be in the UFC still, considering how he has fared since being cut.

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/28/tim-sylvia-expects-to-fight-on-second-affliction-card/comment-page-1/#comment-41595 JOe K. Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:51:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4383#comment-41595 If Affliction starts to take over the heavyweight division. I'm sure alot of mediocre/good LHW's from the UFC will try and move up weight to get a piece of those high payouts. I'm sure if that happens there won't be an issue of finding compelling fights for sylvia. If Affliction starts to take over the heavyweight division. I’m sure alot of mediocre/good LHW’s from the UFC will try and move up weight to get a piece of those high payouts.

I’m sure if that happens there won’t be an issue of finding compelling fights for sylvia.

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