Comments on: Do Affliction’s numbers smell fishy? http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:48:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: derreckla http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-42095 derreckla Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:31:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-42095 $60 t-shirts that are $5 worth of material that have designs that are worse then then the Metallica and slayer shirts I wore in high school. Without advertising on UFC how long do you think GROWN MEN will fall for this shinanigan? $60 t-shirts that are $5 worth of material that have designs that are worse then then the Metallica and slayer shirts I wore in high school. Without advertising on UFC how long do you think GROWN MEN will fall for this shinanigan?

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]]> By: ctownhood http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-42026 ctownhood Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:13:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-42026 Heck, most real MMA fans can't afford $80 tshirts anyways ;) Heck, most real MMA fans can’t afford $80 tshirts anyways ;)

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]]> By: stevefiji http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41933 stevefiji Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:29:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41933 So the T-Shirt Guy has some issues.... surprise, surprise! All the Dana supporters will eventually be vindicated. Midnight Oil Mini-me overpaid (Fedor 1.6 not 300k) so that makes the card approx 4.5 mil PLUS any other dudes who may have been paid 'under the table'. We can also subtract 500k from their 3 million gross on the gate. = 2.5 mil......Hmmmm... And now we get to learn that the PPV buys may not be much more than 50K... and he gets approximately 40%... = +800K Add in all the marketing costs and salaries, etc... 1- 2+ mil That loss is SIGNIFICANT...ohhhh but they get to sell T-shirts you say. I say, their T-shirts are Ugly, Babalo Signatures, Sylvia signatures, and Barnett Signatures probably sold about 25 each to family members and gave away 4 times as many after they realized no one bought any. AA probably sold a few hundered and Fedor might have sold a few thousand and that's your credit to the T-Shirt addition ledger column. So all those who say it's good for MMA are not feeling so confident today. Contrary to popular belief, Affiction was NOT good for MMA. It overpaid fighters atrociously, primarily promoted cast-offs and 'has been' to the mass market (Fedor excluded - Fedor is and always will be the real deal), tried to promote yet ANOTHER set of worthless belts (Phi Slamma WAMMA), added a 20yo metal show to the card just to show how cutting edge the MMA fans are, promoted ugly ass T-Shirts, and lost a shitload of money trying to prove that they had a new formula that works. I am all for competition, but when we want the best to fight the best.... the NFL, NBA, MLB, ATP, WTA, et al, they have it right.... Affliction wanted to make it like it is Bob Arum to the UFC's being Don King.... NOPE it's more like the USFL to the NFL and now answer honestly, how was the USFL good for football? But we got to see more fights you say.... I say "NO!!! You got to see Fedor because he has idiot management and a bunch of UFC cast-offs and a rebel (Barnett) who could and should do more for tehoir careers by fighting thebest talent in the best organziation and getting maximum exposure for outside endorsements. But you say, look at what boxers make! I say, look at that whole system... of the 'Haves' and 'Have Nots' look at what the UFC gives it stable on a whole and the GROWTH that is still coming.... MMA is in its infancy stages... it's a baby!.... give it 10 more years to level out a bit, get more collective bargaining and THEN look at what these guys will get... far more than with silly ass T-Shirt guys saying they are doing good for the fighters when all they are doing is trying to survive because once they got banned by the UFC, they knew no one would buy their ugly ass shirts unless they did their own show The UFC invested heavily, lost heavily and created a near cultural phenomenon. They STILL need to solidify the 50 states and the world markets with one solid voice, one set of rules and a 'reasonable' level of integrity. Now many will challenge what is reasonable and i would say, the UFC ain't perfect but it's light years ahead of boxing and that's good enough for me right now... and THAT, my friends is what's good for MMA. and now we learn Tito and Babalo may headline the next card.... Yeah that's sooooo good for MMA....HAhahahahahahahahah! So the T-Shirt Guy has some issues…. surprise, surprise! All the Dana supporters will eventually be vindicated. Midnight Oil Mini-me overpaid (Fedor 1.6 not 300k) so that makes the card approx 4.5 mil PLUS any other dudes who may have been paid ‘under the table’.

We can also subtract 500k from their 3 million gross on the gate. = 2.5 mil……Hmmmm…

And now we get to learn that the PPV buys may not be much more than 50K… and he gets approximately 40%… = +800K

Add in all the marketing costs and salaries, etc… 1- 2+ mil

That loss is SIGNIFICANT…ohhhh but they get to sell T-shirts you say.
I say, their T-shirts are Ugly, Babalo Signatures, Sylvia signatures, and Barnett Signatures probably sold about 25 each to family members and gave away 4 times as many after they realized no one bought any. AA probably sold a few hundered and Fedor might have sold a few thousand and that’s your credit to the T-Shirt addition ledger column.

So all those who say it’s good for MMA are not feeling so confident today.

Contrary to popular belief, Affiction was NOT good for MMA. It overpaid fighters atrociously, primarily promoted cast-offs and ‘has been’ to the mass market (Fedor excluded – Fedor is and always will be the real deal), tried to promote yet ANOTHER set of worthless belts (Phi Slamma WAMMA), added a 20yo metal show to the card just to show how cutting edge the MMA fans are, promoted ugly ass T-Shirts, and lost a shitload of money trying to prove that they had a new formula that works.

I am all for competition, but when we want the best to fight the best…. the NFL, NBA, MLB, ATP, WTA, et al, they have it right…. Affliction wanted to make it like it is Bob Arum to the UFC’s being Don King…. NOPE it’s more like the USFL to the NFL and now answer honestly, how was the USFL good for football?

But we got to see more fights you say…. I say “NO!!! You got to see Fedor because he has idiot management and a bunch of UFC cast-offs and a rebel (Barnett) who could and should do more for tehoir careers by fighting thebest talent in the best organziation and getting maximum exposure for outside endorsements.

But you say, look at what boxers make! I say, look at that whole system… of the ‘Haves’ and ‘Have Nots’ look at what the UFC gives it stable on a whole and the GROWTH that is still coming…. MMA is in its infancy stages… it’s a baby!…. give it 10 more years to level out a bit, get more collective bargaining and THEN look at what these guys will get… far more than with silly ass T-Shirt guys saying they are doing good for the fighters when all they are doing is trying to survive because once they got banned by the UFC, they knew no one would buy their ugly ass shirts unless they did their own show

The UFC invested heavily, lost heavily and created a near cultural phenomenon. They STILL need to solidify the 50 states and the world markets with one solid voice, one set of rules and a ‘reasonable’ level of integrity. Now many will challenge what is reasonable and i would say, the UFC ain’t perfect but it’s light years ahead of boxing and that’s good enough for me right now… and THAT, my friends is what’s good for MMA.

and now we learn Tito and Babalo may headline the next card…. Yeah that’s sooooo good for MMA….HAhahahahahahahahah!

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]]> By: ANBUsquad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41931 ANBUsquad Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:20:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41931 If this is true, it's very sad... imagine.. the UFC having a monopoly on all things MMA?... That's very unfortunate... I mean, why do MMA legends... Randy Couture, Frank Shamrock, Tito Ortiz, left UFC on a " BAD NOTE " ?. UFC's policies are very bad for the sport in general... I was happy when PRIDE was there, at least there's competition... now PRIDE is gone... do I need to say more. Dana is an asshole! Zuffa is a good example of how evil capitalism is. They destroy other organizations, so that they will have monopoly. Very sad indeed. I hope WAMMA change this. GO AFFLICTION... Please do push thru with the October event... I'll be subscribing on PPV . If this is true, it’s very sad… imagine.. the UFC having a monopoly on all things MMA?… That’s very unfortunate… I mean, why do MMA legends… Randy Couture, Frank Shamrock, Tito Ortiz, left UFC on a ” BAD NOTE ” ?. UFC’s policies are very bad for the sport in general… I was happy when PRIDE was there, at least there’s competition… now PRIDE is gone… do I need to say more. Dana is an asshole! Zuffa is a good example of how evil capitalism is. They destroy other organizations, so that they will have monopoly. Very sad indeed. I hope WAMMA change this. GO AFFLICTION… Please do push thru with the October event… I’ll be subscribing on PPV .

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]]> By: bubbafat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41917 bubbafat Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:14:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41917 A genius? Well maybe not a genius? Just, smarter than the average bear. A genius? Well maybe not a genius? Just, smarter than the average bear.

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]]> By: BJJDenver http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41908 BJJDenver Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:44:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41908 Smoogleton, offer some of your own then. or do the math. 85k on high side of sold ppvs. 250k on low side of their break even number. difference is 165k x $45. Smoogleton, offer some of your own then.

or do the math.

85k on high side of sold ppvs. 250k on low side of their break even number. difference is 165k x $45.

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]]> By: Michaelthebox http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41905 Michaelthebox Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:28:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41905 thomaswhigham: why in the world would the fighters do that? thomaswhigham: why in the world would the fighters do that?

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]]> By: thomaswhigham http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41892 thomaswhigham Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:48:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41892 Big ups to affliction even if they overpaid their fighters out of the gate. They should have given them all top heavy percentages deals and just used the free advertising to make the show worth it. I'd give each fighter in the range of 3 to 10% of gross and then divide 50% of the gate up between fighters with winners getting 35% and losers getting 15%. That way affliction keeps 50% gate and gets advertising AND the fighters have no one to blame for low pay but themselves and have no one to cry they were robbed if the show makes millions. Put your rep on the line imo. Big ups to affliction even if they overpaid their fighters out of the gate. They should have given them all top heavy percentages deals and just used the free advertising to make the show worth it. I’d give each fighter in the range of 3 to 10% of gross and then divide 50% of the gate up between fighters with winners getting 35% and losers getting 15%. That way affliction keeps 50% gate and gets advertising AND the fighters have no one to blame for low pay but themselves and have no one to cry they were robbed if the show makes millions. Put your rep on the line imo.

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]]> By: damon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41880 damon Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:06:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41880 i now about 20 people around austin tx that got their money back because the first 40min were blacked out and the rest of the feed was choppy in lots of spots. the night of the fight people in the northeast US were saying that comcast was messing up to. I wonder how many purchases they had to eat? other than the technical issues, that was probable the second best ppv this year. maybe the best since Silva v Liddle. i now about 20 people around austin tx that got their money back because the first 40min were blacked out and the rest of the feed was choppy in lots of spots. the night of the fight people in the northeast US were saying that comcast was messing up to. I wonder how many purchases they had to eat? other than the technical issues, that was probable the second best ppv this year. maybe the best since Silva v Liddle.

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]]> By: smoogleton http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/07/29/do-afflictions-numbers-smell-fishy/comment-page-1/#comment-41849 smoogleton Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:33:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=4425#comment-41849 BJJDenver your "estimates" are totally absurd. Whats going on with the slowwww reaction time from the MMA blogs here? We knew all this stuff before the weekend. Meltzer didn't exactly stand by that estimate so I'm hoping someone can come up with a more substantive figure in the next couple days. Full ratings data for the second EXC show would also be great BJJDenver your “estimates” are totally absurd.

Whats going on with the slowwww reaction time from the MMA blogs here? We knew all this stuff before the weekend. Meltzer didn’t exactly stand by that estimate so I’m hoping someone can come up with a more substantive figure in the next couple days. Full ratings data for the second EXC show would also be great

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