Comments on: 5 Oz. Feature: Six Fighters in Need of a Promotion

By: BigSteve

BigSteve — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:20:58 +0000

I hate to say it but i agree with Nick the UFC is the only stable ground they already have a stocked 170 and 205 division if they can stack the talent like that in the rest of the weight classes then the monopoly becomes a great thing for the fans but who knows what it does for the talent.

By: ryan

ryan — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:25:04 +0000

JUICE i actually started out by stating that i din’t even read the article
i don’t have to watch tuf reruns, all i have to do is order the card this weekend i can see rob emerson WOW ben saunders SWEET
and a bunch of other guys that are no different than watching ring of fire or king of the cage
like i said only two good fights GSP/Fitch and K-flow verses an overrated huerta

By: Juicehead

Juicehead — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:54:41 +0000

@Ryan- you just capped off your ridiculous comments with the perfect punctuation. You are commenting in a comments section of an article you didn’t even read. Go back to watching TUF reruns and studying for your driver’s liscense test. Leave the MMA talk to the grown ups.

By: ryan

ryan — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:48:48 +0000

watch one dream card from top to bottom as a whole the fights are much better to watch than the ufc
i order every ufc event because there is one or two fights i want to see and the rest of the card is littered with horrible match-ups and fuckin commercials the rest of the time and they don’t even use the entire time slot
they could air all the prelim bouts (i know they do 1 or 2) but they don’t want to show the garbage that usually goes on
once agian just want the best isn’t that what we deserve

also have been to live events in japan and the ufc in the US and well i will stop there
if the ufc stepped up their game then they really could destroy these other organizations but everyday more and more people relize their bullshit games (do to dana white)

By: ryan

ryan — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:40:25 +0000

juice
i din’t even read the article i am just saying what i feal in response to the other comments that i have read
and son you need to cash in your welfare check and order HDNET and other channels that carry mma and not just watch the ufc i can see you sitting at home jerkin your gurt to a picture of dana white

By: Nepal

Nepal — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:27:48 +0000

I agree with a lot of what you said. I would add Condit to the Shields conundrum even tho he was decisioned by Shields. Both of them would do well moving to the UFC.

I don’t agree with GZ tho. He’s definitly a top 55′r and I’d like to see him fight the top 55′rs. Therefore I do NOT want to see him in the UFC. The only top 10 55′r in the UFC is BJ. Even Sherk hasn’t really beaten anyone significant other than a teenaged Karo. Guys like Aoki, Gomi, Hansen, Kawajiri, Ishida and the newly invented 55 superstar Alvarez are far superior to anything seen in the UFC except BJ of course. Actually I’ll consider that Sherk could possibly beat some of those guys but we’ll never know due to no UFC cross promo’s.

Another one I disagree on is Bigfoot to the UFC. Affliction would be a better choice since that’s where the top Heavies are hanging these days. I would expect Affliction with their particular model (presupposing they don’t go belly up) to continue to attract good talent. Maybe Bigfoot to the UFC first to as a stepping stone to the top fighters.

OK, one more point, so really I only agree with half of your post. Honestly as long as Dream stays solvent, their 185 division is stacked. It’s better than the UFC’s at the top end. UFC has Hendo and Anderson but below that, it gets a bit more murky. Look at the 85′rs in Dream. My god, Dream 6 is going to be amazing. These 4 guys, Mousasi, Jacare and Manhoef are incredible and have a far better chance of knocking off Anderson than anybody in the UFC. Not to dismiss the 4th guy Galesic but I think he’s not quite on the other 3 guys level. Anyway, Dream would be a better location than UFC for Filho.

By: Juicehead

Juicehead — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:21:14 +0000

@ Ryan- You need to buy a clue. You talk about people missing the point, but you don’t even know what the point is. The point of the article is that these fighters are running out of elite competition to fight against that would make for an exciting matchup. Without the fighters, there are no exciting matchups for other promotions to host. That is why they need Zuffa, to have better matchups and exciting fights. Your hate for Zuffa discredits any shot at a point you were trying to make. Fans like you make me not read forums and not want to read comments on well written articles like this one. Please crawl back under the rock from which you came from.

By: ryan

ryan — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:54:46 +0000

last
the only weight classes that the ufc has on lock is LHW and WW
their HW is not deep
MW not deep
LW not deep

By: ryan

ryan — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:53:02 +0000

also CHUMP i mean CHAMP
nobody is sayin that kimbo is a top HW and if they are they don’t know shit.
but he is an exciting spectical to watch
you need to watch fighters and take them for what they are as a fighter
not what organization they are in

By: ryan

ryan — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:48:00 +0000

a lot of you are missing the point!!!!
yeah the ufc is the big dog but they fuck us the fans by not giving us the best matchups possible they have there guys and are worried about them losing, which to me is not a big deal to lose to a top fighter.
look at anderson silva we all know how tight he is and they but him in there with irvin
come on they are just bending us the fans over an old freezer in the backyard and raping us
i love mma and really pull for these other promotions (non-zuffa owned)
i know about their lack of depth with their fighters but at least they try to put on exciting matchups not like some of the horse shit that i pay $55v to see on a ufc PPV
as a fan i just want to see the best fights i don’t care what organization puts them on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Mike

Mike — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:00:08 +0000

These guys NEED the best fight available. they dont NEED zuffa.

By: champ

champ — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 02:12:36 +0000

yeah, elite xc is a joke compared to ufc. i mean, kimbo???? whatever!

By: Al Sick

Al Sick — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:46:40 +0000

I agree with this completely. All of these fighters are in a position to be superstars, but because Zuffa owns a monopoly on talent in those divisions (save Afflication), their careers are in danger of becoming stagnated if they haven’t been already. JZ, Feijao, Pezao, and Shields all would have major impact in the UFC. All of these guys are talented enough to contend for the UFC’s belts. While I feel that someone with good takedown defense can be problematic for Filho and Faber is the man at 145.

I would also add Gilbert Melendez to the list. He is at a crossroads in his career to an extent having loss 2 of his last 3 fights Going to the UFC would definitely be a new start with plenty of chances to prove himself as a top contender at 155. Melendez would also be a nice fit as a promotional tool for the UFC’s continued expansion into Mexico and other Latin American countries.

Ultimately, to maximize the potential to have a legacy in mma, these fighters need big name competition and proper promotion, both of which are controlled by the UFC, the veritable Evil Empire of MMA

By: Rich S.

Rich S. — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:40:59 +0000

patrick, you’re right..
i didn’t take into consideration that he’s 6’5.. but i knew he weighed in around 245..

i was just saying that because the WEC doesn’t have a HW division..

come to think of it..
I’d love to see him in the UFC..
at first, i thought the UFC’s HW division would be too much for him to handle..
but, now that i think of it, there’s not many guys in the HW division that could give him problems..

By: sved

sved — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:03:33 +0000

how about this EliteXc and DREAM co-promote so that they have a major blockbuster event every other month so if each show has a good event every other month it could have say

Jan–Exc
Feb-Dream GP LHW + Featherweight
March-Exc on CBS
April-DREAM GP LHW round 2
May–Elite XC best HW’s
June-DREAM GP round 2 Featherweight
July-Elite XC- Best Womens competitors+Best Middleweights
August-DREAM- GP Final 4 in both Div
September-Elite XC primetime on CBS
OCtober–Exhibition show w/ Tournament Finale DREAMGP
Nov–EliteXC-contenders all #1 and+ #2 contenders faceoff in every div
Dec–NYE show for DREAM the best from around the world face off in super 4 hour special
DEc–EliteXc special highlights+ best of the best interviews/BEst subs of the year Best Ko’s of the year

Jan–REpeat w/ different weight classes…

this way the 2 diff promo’s won’t collide w/ their scheduling and they could carve a nice niche for themselves as the de Facto #2 promo
by sharing competitors and allowing all of the diff fans the world over to see the talent….

better flexibility and better Fan $upport!!!

By: Jesse

Jesse — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:28:55 +0000

herman is the only legit challage to big foot silva..
he would beat him i think ..
elitexc is lame though

By: patrick

patrick — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:53:59 +0000

You think Dave Herman should drop to Light-Heavyweight??? Good Lord man the guy is 6’5″ and if i’m not mistaken he weighed in for his fight with Ron Waterman at about 235-240lbs. Now i’m no expert in cutting weight (understatement of the year) but i think trying to cut 30 -40 lbs would be kinda dangerous. I think the guy has a very bright future fighting in the heavyweight division of any organization. Rich S. i hear you but i think he could stay where he’s at (HW) and give alot of these UFC( and Affliction) big names a run for their money.

By: Rich S.

Rich S. — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:58:21 +0000

that’s a nice list..
you pretty much hit the nail on the head with all of them..

i really think Dave Herman should move up to WEC, because he just MAULS whatever opponent EXC has to offer..

we saw in his last fight, it got to the point to where he was so confident he was about to KO the guy, he just started trying random axe-kicks, and spin-kicks and whatever else.. it’s ridiculous when you have a guy so skilled in all areas of the game in there just ripping through chumps..

i think he should go 205 [because, he's a small HW, IMO] and make the move..

he’s soooo agile, and speedy, yet powerful..

i think he’d to just fine in the WEC’s LHW division..

By: LiuLang

LiuLang — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:41:31 +0000

It’s a play on words champ. Promotion, as in, a need of a promotion to bigger and better things. The whole point is that the guys named are getting very close to the end of any credible competition in their respective orgs. Hey, if they want to Frank Shamrock their career, they can remain a big fish in a small pond or they can try and seek out the best fights to see how good they really are. And in search of bigger paydays of course.

By: smoogleton

smoogleton — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:04:22 +0000

I’m no math expert, but that is only six fighters. And the title is pretty misleading, six of these fighters already have promotions behind them. If you’re saying you don’t care for competition and just want them all in the UFC, thats another thing entirely