Comments on: UFC 87 Review and Recap: Brock Lesnar and Georges St. Pierre dominant in decision victories http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 14:08:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: PokerFace http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-44076 PokerFace Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-44076 There is only one way to solve the problem of BJ fighting GSP. Fight them at 162 or 165 and call it a light middle weight championship. There is only one way to solve the problem of BJ fighting GSP. Fight them at 162 or 165 and call it a light middle weight championship.

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]]> By: Dan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-44024 Dan Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:38:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-44024 JOe K: If GSP wants to move down to 155, he can fight for the LW title. As it is, BJ is moving UP to 170 so it's for the WW title. I was there Saturday, and there were quite a few USA chants during the main event, and a good number of GSP chants. I was surprised how many Canadian flags were being waved. We were a couple rows behind the Jon Fitch fan club and they were chanting "Fitch Fitch Fitch" almost non-stop, even when he was getting dominated. JOe K: If GSP wants to move down to 155, he can fight for the LW title. As it is, BJ is moving UP to 170 so it’s for the WW title.

I was there Saturday, and there were quite a few USA chants during the main event, and a good number of GSP chants. I was surprised how many Canadian flags were being waved. We were a couple rows behind the Jon Fitch fan club and they were chanting “Fitch Fitch Fitch” almost non-stop, even when he was getting dominated.

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43914 JOe K. Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:19:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43914 Also, I think it is totally unfair that BJ Penn will have the option to get two titles if he wins and Georges risks losing his only title. That should be a non-title fight. That BJ ego match would screw over Florian and GSP. Also, I think it is totally unfair that BJ Penn will have the option to get two titles if he wins and Georges risks losing his only title.

That should be a non-title fight. That BJ ego match would screw over Florian and GSP.

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43913 JOe K. Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:18:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43913 It was nice to see Florian take a page out of Machida's book. It showed that true students of the craft rarely get into straight brawls or stand in the pocket. There's no shame in avoiding strikes and picking apart your opponent. Both Florian and Machida are big fans of shoving there opponents back when they move in to clench with strikes. It was nice to see Florian take a page out of Machida’s book. It showed that true students of the craft rarely get into straight brawls or stand in the pocket. There’s no shame in avoiding strikes and picking apart your opponent. Both Florian and Machida are big fans of shoving there opponents back when they move in to clench with strikes.

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]]> By: dpk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43879 dpk Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:02:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43879 I came out of watching this card with a higher opinion of three of the fighters that lost, MacDonald, Huerta, and Fitch. They all put in great effort and left it all in the cage, but just lost to better fighters. All three can take their losses and improve. Before the fight, I thought UFC could strong arm Huerta out over contract issues and it wouldn't be a loss, but now I think UFC really needs to work their differences out, because he should only get better and be a force at LW and WW for the next 5-10 years. I would expect him to get a contract similar to Sanchez and Kos, based off of how good he projects. Maia looked good, but also showed he is still at least 2-3 fights away from being a serious title challenger. Almedia, or the Leites/Reljic winner would be interesting fights. I came out of watching this card with a higher opinion of three of the fighters that lost, MacDonald, Huerta, and Fitch. They all put in great effort and left it all in the cage, but just lost to better fighters. All three can take their losses and improve.

Before the fight, I thought UFC could strong arm Huerta out over contract issues and it wouldn’t be a loss, but now I think UFC really needs to work their differences out, because he should only get better and be a force at LW and WW for the next 5-10 years. I would expect him to get a contract similar to Sanchez and Kos, based off of how good he projects.

Maia looked good, but also showed he is still at least 2-3 fights away from being a serious title challenger. Almedia, or the Leites/Reljic winner would be interesting fights.

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]]> By: Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43872 Mike Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:13:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43872 ...that doesnt solve anything..he's still a way smaller man …that doesnt solve anything..he’s still a way smaller man

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]]> By: Warcry http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43864 Warcry Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:36:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43864 George could move up to 185. Problem solved. George could move up to 185. Problem solved.

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]]> By: jaydog http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43853 jaydog Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:18:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43853 5%: Yes, Fedor would knock Brock Lesnar out on the feet. If taken down, he'd probably reverse and land on top, and from the bottom, he'd armbar Brock in his sleep. That said, Brock's gonna damage some people en route to ever being in Fedor's league. Also, Rampage isn't getting a pass. He's going to have his day in court, and then another, and another, and for the time being, the UFC is just saying "we support our fighter." If you want him tried in the public's eyes, you'll have to wait, because the details aren't going to come out until then, except for a few leaks here and there. Lastly, I agree that Huerta mentally checked out after a couple inspired flurries at the start of the third. Sad to see a heavily hyped fight between two guys not trying to finish. 5%: Yes, Fedor would knock Brock Lesnar out on the feet. If taken down, he’d probably reverse and land on top, and from the bottom, he’d armbar Brock in his sleep. That said, Brock’s gonna damage some people en route to ever being in Fedor’s league.

Also, Rampage isn’t getting a pass. He’s going to have his day in court, and then another, and another, and for the time being, the UFC is just saying “we support our fighter.” If you want him tried in the public’s eyes, you’ll have to wait, because the details aren’t going to come out until then, except for a few leaks here and there.

Lastly, I agree that Huerta mentally checked out after a couple inspired flurries at the start of the third. Sad to see a heavily hyped fight between two guys not trying to finish.

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]]> By: Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43850 Mike Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:36:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43850 so we dont need your "guess's" Jye so we dont need your “guess’s” Jye

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]]> By: Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43848 Mike Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:36:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43848 um no.. before his last fight they were saying he walks around at 220 actually... um no.. before his last fight they were saying he walks around at 220 actually…

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43847 Jye Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:33:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43847 Anderson's not that big. That's almost Tito or Chuck size, he's nowhere near that. If I was to guess I'd say he walks around 200. Anderson’s not that big. That’s almost Tito or Chuck size, he’s nowhere near that. If I was to guess I’d say he walks around 200.

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]]> By: Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43845 Mike Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:08:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43845 Silva is way to big for GSP.... GSP walks around at 190... Anderson 220.... Silva is way to big for GSP…. GSP walks around at 190… Anderson 220….

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]]> By: Warcry http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43833 Warcry Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:48:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43833 Lesnar put the MMA world on notice last night. No Fedor doesn't want any of Brock. Gsp vs Penn is what I call a Super Mega Fight. Pound 4 Pound title semi. I give the edge to Gsp with the caveat that a standup war with Penn is not a good idea. He will have to ground and pound him. When I think of this fight I just can't help but dream of a potential matchup between Gsp and Anderson Silva. Man that would be bananas Lesnar put the MMA world on notice last night. No Fedor doesn’t want any of Brock. Gsp vs Penn is what I call a Super Mega Fight. Pound 4 Pound title semi. I give the edge to Gsp with the caveat that a standup war with Penn is not a good idea. He will have to ground and pound him. When I think of this fight I just can’t help but dream of a potential matchup between Gsp and Anderson Silva. Man that would be bananas

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]]> By: Batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43829 Batman Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:10:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43829 Jon fitch's face looked seriously messed up after the fight. GSP gave him a beat down. Jon fitch can't make a case as second best in the world after that fight. I think Josh Koscheck vs Jon Fitch needs to happen when Fitch is done with his plastic surgery lol. Jon fitch’s face looked seriously messed up after the fight. GSP gave him a beat down. Jon fitch can’t make a case as second best in the world after that fight. I think Josh Koscheck vs Jon Fitch needs to happen when Fitch is done with his plastic surgery lol.

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]]> By: JBAR http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43827 JBAR Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:38:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43827 Mike, All I am saying is that a #1 contender fight where the winner gets a title shot should be a 5 rounder. I wouldn't mind a few 5 rounders with experienced fighters like the Lidell vs. W. Silva fight. Plus it is hard to prepare for 5 rounds if you have never done it. Mike, All I am saying is that a #1 contender fight where the winner gets a title shot should be a 5 rounder. I wouldn’t mind a few 5 rounders with experienced fighters like the Lidell vs. W. Silva fight. Plus it is hard to prepare for 5 rounds if you have never done it.

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]]> By: Mike http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43826 Mike Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:30:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43826 And then what... is the decision for a 5 round fight arbitrary? Terrible idea. And then what… is the decision for a 5 round fight arbitrary?

Terrible idea.

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]]> By: JBAR http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43824 JBAR Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:22:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43824 Can someone explain why only championship fights are 5 rounds? I would think that if you have 2 top 5 guys that may have a title fight in their future it should be a 5 rounder so they can find out what the later rounds are like before a belt is on the line. It would be nice to find out your cardio training will not carry you 5 rounds before you fight for the belt so you can change your training and / or develop strategies for a 5 rounder. Kenflo and Huerta would have been a good 5 rounder. Can someone explain why only championship fights are 5 rounds? I would think that if you have 2 top 5 guys that may have a title fight in their future it should be a 5 rounder so they can find out what the later rounds are like before a belt is on the line. It would be nice to find out your cardio training will not carry you 5 rounds before you fight for the belt so you can change your training and / or develop strategies for a 5 rounder. Kenflo and Huerta would have been a good 5 rounder.

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]]> By: mo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43811 mo Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:03:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43811 So Sam, does GSP's fight help his pound for pound status and is he still #1 on your rankings? It wasn't as flashy as Silva or Fedor, but he certainly showed a lot of dominance. There isn't the huge media buzz about it like there was for Fedor and Silva, but I think GSP certainly deserves to be in the conversation with those 2. So Sam, does GSP’s fight help his pound for pound status and is he still #1 on your rankings? It wasn’t as flashy as Silva or Fedor, but he certainly showed a lot of dominance. There isn’t the huge media buzz about it like there was for Fedor and Silva, but I think GSP certainly deserves to be in the conversation with those 2.

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]]> By: saerbarnet http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43808 saerbarnet Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:42:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43808 The Gamburyan/Parisiyan (Spelling on both?) family bonds are just so strong that they even imitate fight results now? ;) The Gamburyan/Parisiyan (Spelling on both?) family bonds are just so strong that they even imitate fight results now? ;)

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]]> By: 5percentbodyfat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/10/ufc-87-review-and-recap-brock-lesnar-and-georges-st-pierre-dominant-in-decision-victories/comment-page-1/#comment-43805 5percentbodyfat Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:20:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5224#comment-43805 2 other thoughts: -Fedor nor does anyone in the world want a piece of Brock Lesnar right now. Fedor is lucky that he is a "free-agent" with unbelievable demands to give him an excuse to not fight top opponents. Its not that Lesnar is so technicaly sound that he can beat Fedor, but he sure as hell has the tools. Really can you see Fedor knocking this man out? Lesnar also has the speed to chase down anyone who runs. I'm not saying that Lesnar will beat Fedor but the point is that he could. - Also, Rampage is my favorite fighter, but does anyone else think that he's getting a pass on this whole going on a "Rampage" situation. 2 other thoughts:

-Fedor nor does anyone in the world want a piece of Brock Lesnar right now. Fedor is lucky that he is a “free-agent” with unbelievable demands to give him an excuse to not fight top opponents. Its not that Lesnar is so technicaly sound that he can beat Fedor, but he sure as hell has the tools. Really can you see Fedor knocking this man out? Lesnar also has the speed to chase down anyone who runs. I’m not saying that Lesnar will beat Fedor but the point is that he could.

- Also, Rampage is my favorite fighter, but does anyone else think that he’s getting a pass on this whole going on a “Rampage” situation.

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