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JR knows who BJ Penn is, for God’s sake. He said BJ Noons. Big Deal. He also acknowledged BJ was from Hawaii. How does he not know who BJ is by looking at him, but knows where he’s from?”

KJ Noons is also from Hawaii, so JR definitely could still have been confused about who he was talking about.

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Anyway, I totally agree with you guys about JR’s credentials. He wasn’t steppin’ over the line, he was simply offering us his expertise on production values and PPV business.

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Japanese organizations were not only started by pro wrestlers but they also took a lot from pro wresting into their organizations. Shoot wrestling was the foundation that they were based on, the whole idea of “what if we did pro wrestling for real”. When Pancrase started they used a version of pro wrestling rules even. Heck in Japan where there isn’t a cultural stigma against pro wrestling the two still cross over each other all the time.

For the same reason many pro wrestling fans crossed over to MMA, they got tired of the “fake fighting” and wanted to see what it would be like if the guys were doing it for real. Yes MMA is really a mixture of many martial arts but then people have been faking that mixture of martial arts in pro wrestling too. MMA is what pro wrestling would of been if it hadn’t of gone the way of predetermined outcomes and showboating all those decades ago.

The business models between pro wrestling and MMA are similar in a lot of ways, which is understandable as so many organizations and promoters came out of that system(particularly in Japan) but there are also a lot of differences too. For one MMA fighters don’t have to work on the road 300+ days a year or fight three times a week. The productions of MMA and pro wrestling also have a lot of similarities although the UFC has went away from many of the frills and cheap affects that pro wrestling seems to live for. Still a WWE ppv and a UFC ppv are both going to have a lot of similarities, which only makes sense seeing as they are both catering to the same basic age demographics and overlapping fan base.

So there is a MMA link to the skills department of pro wrestling through catch wrestling, there is a link to the history of MMA and it’s development and between wrestling fans and MMA fans and there is a business link that could be drawn too. The question is where isn’t there a link between pro wrestling and MMA?

Of course all that is pretty irrelevant as to why veteran commentator Jim Ross has some insight into how UFC ppvs should be organized being as working ppvs is what he’s been doing for the last 20 years. Ross wasn’t bringing any pro wrestling knowledge over into his column he was bringing his thoughts as a fan and his experience working successful ppv events. Your hating of pro wrestling is pretty irrelevant as to why his column had interest and value as a article here, the guy is a expert at announcing and the PPV business.

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I thought the post fight press conference interviews were where it’s at. Besides, if we give the fans everything they need all on the Pay Per View show then why would people get on here on the internet on sites like fiveounces and check for more information?

There’s a time and a place for everything.

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Wrestling has always been some form of traveling circus. Decades ago, only the big draws, your bearded ladies and crab boys and liontamers, traveled from city to city but now the entire big top goes from city to city.

The UFC, at least Zuffa-era UFC, firmly established themselves in Las Vegas before heading out. And when they did, they tested the waters and did one show here or one show there before heading back to Sin City. Even now as more and more shows are happening in Jersey, California, Minnesota, Illinois, etc, Vegas is still very much their home.

And I actually had another paragraph defending their connection when I came to the realization that pro wrestling sprang from MMA or rather, real fighting.

I mean, think about it… fighting is the oldest form of competition known to man. Cavemen were fighting it out before they could speak. Eventually someone got the idea to script a fight with emphasis on the drama and somehow make money of it.

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As for the sport itself, I still say it has nothing to do with pro wrestling.

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No one is saying that one day back in 1914 a bunch of pro wrestlers got together and said, “Hey, let’s do this shit but FOR REAL!” and that’s how MMA started.

But to deny the very obvious connection between the two sports (more subtle in the US than in Japan, I’ll give you that) is crazy.

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While several Japanese orgs were founded by pro wrestlers, few pro wrestlers have made a successful transition from pro wrestling to MMA. For the most part, modern-day MMA more closely resembles a combination Muay Thai-Folk Wrestling-BJJ match.

True, many fighters in Japan have gone back and forth (Barnett, Randleman, Sapp), but correlation does not equal causation.

Modern MMA does not have its roots in pro wrestling.

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I appreciate JR’s perspective. The UFC could stand to improve their formula a little more. They seem to be making gradual improvements at a steady pace lately, at least. But hey, even the major sports don’t always have good presentation. I think it was Fox who had the bright idea to make ever graphic look mechanical and have sound effects right down to having robots kicking feild goals when they went to commercial. The UFC can’t afford to look that lame while they’re still growing…

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I’m not even a pro wrestling fan, but if you’re too blind to see the connection between pro wrestling and MMA you’re just as much a TUF noob as somebody that thought Kendall Grove was a world beater and Batista is the next guy thats gonna challenge Lesner. As said above pretty much all above me Japanese MMA is founded by Japanese pro wrestlers, who were often skilled fighters to boot. The biggest fight in PRIDE history, (outside of Fedor vs Mirko), was Rickson Gracie vs Nobuhiko Takada, (General Director of PRIDE, Founder of Hustle Pro Wrestling and a famous Japanese pro wrestler himself), at PRIDE 1. So if it gets your noob panties in a bunch cause they interview somebody that appeals to a large base of the MMA fans, and myself because of Ross’ vast television broadcast experience, GTFOGDNOOB

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Probably not the first time somebody has typed the wrong name. I wouldn’t doubt there’s an MMA hardcore fan who has written Thiago Alves when they meant to write Thiago Silva.

Regarding his remarks about Mike Goldberg’s event shilling, the sponsor banners, etc, I thought they were spot on.

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How about old Joe Rogan-style interviews backstage inbetween fights after the fighter has a chance to compose themselves? Talking points could be discussed beforehand and hell, they could even do several takes and show the best one.

I still think, though, that fighters should have at least a minute or so to thank their trainers and sponsors and/or call someone out a la Penn at 84.

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What do you expect? The fighters are often gassed and some of them don’t even speak english. You’re only limited to so many corner men and not all of them are translators.”

He expects them to find a better way to do it. I agree, personally, there are a lot of ways they could handle it better, though it will take a little time and investment. But I expect the post-fight interviews to improve drastically over the next year.

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