Comments on: The Couture vs. Fedor Solution http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: glock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44527 glock Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:59:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44527 oops, add Cain Velasquez to L,C & K above oops, add Cain Velasquez to L,C & K above

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]]> By: Darin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44526 Darin Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:54:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44526 jamo: "if randy stayed he only had 2 remaining fights didnt he???" I'm not sure. If he lost then 2 might have done it for his contract, but if he had fought 2 and won they might have been able to keep him for a fixed period after the 2nd one based on the last fight being for the championship. I'm not sure if their normal champion clause is based on when/if the championship is won or if it also counts successful defenses. Maybe somebody else has specifics on that. --Darin jamo: “if randy stayed he only had 2 remaining fights didnt he???”

I’m not sure. If he lost then 2 might have done it for his contract, but if he had fought 2 and won they might have been able to keep him for a fixed period after the 2nd one based on the last fight being for the championship. I’m not sure if their normal champion clause is based on when/if the championship is won or if it also counts successful defenses. Maybe somebody else has specifics on that.

–Darin

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]]> By: Glock http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44524 Glock Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:48:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44524 Maybe it's just me, but it feels like the sweet spot in time for Randy/Fedor has passed. Randy's had a lot of "time off" at a point in his life/career when EVERY LITTLE THING MATTERS with regard to his fitness, effectiveness and durability in a HUGE fight. There's curiosty factor for me but honestly, I'm more interested in what happens to Lesner, Carwin,& Kongo as they try to make their way through the HW roster. UFC blew it, and any organization that REALLY LOVED mma as Dana claims Zuffa does, I think would have made the fight happen when it should have happened. They let a historical match-up that we'll probably argue about for years, go by the wayside, and if it happens now (which I doubt) it's for the love of money, (which is what it was before) not love of mma, a sense of obligation to the fans , or even a desire to do the right thing. Too little too late, Sam. Maybe it’s just me, but it feels like the sweet spot in time for Randy/Fedor
has passed. Randy’s had a lot of “time off” at a point in his life/career when EVERY LITTLE THING MATTERS with regard to his fitness, effectiveness and durability in a HUGE fight.
There’s curiosty factor for me but honestly, I’m more interested in what happens to Lesner, Carwin,& Kongo as they try to make their way through the HW roster.

UFC blew it, and any organization that REALLY LOVED mma as Dana claims Zuffa does, I think would have made the fight happen when it should have happened. They let a historical match-up that we’ll probably argue about for years, go by the wayside, and if it happens now (which I doubt) it’s for the love of money, (which is what it was before) not love of mma, a sense of obligation to the fans , or even a desire to do the right thing.

Too little too late, Sam.

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]]> By: jamo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44521 jamo Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:56:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44521 if randy stayed he only had 2 remaining fights didnt he??? ufcs hw division isnt exactly filled with talent that he couldnt have beaten,then after all this time he would have been free from his contract?? yes id like to see him fight fedor but he signed it and at the time wasnt moaning about it!! and i dont think randy could beat him,i know he seems to be a master when he is the underdog but fedor is a lab experiment!!lol if randy stayed he only had 2 remaining fights didnt he??? ufcs hw division isnt exactly filled with talent that he couldnt have beaten,then after all this time he would have been free from his contract?? yes id like to see him fight fedor but he signed it and at the time wasnt moaning about it!! and i dont think randy could beat him,i know he seems to be a master when he is the underdog but fedor is a lab experiment!!lol

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44517 Imbecile Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:09:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44517 I also want to add that the UFC has no interest in making a simple "cash play" for a one-and-done show. If their goal was to just pocket a few million dollars, they wouldn't have taken out loans for $350 million dollars to help expand their business. Zuffa took out all of these loans to help expand to England, Mexico, the Philippines, etc. A few million off of a show... not even worth a second thought to them. I also want to add that the UFC has no interest in making a simple “cash play” for a one-and-done show.

If their goal was to just pocket a few million dollars, they wouldn’t have taken out loans for $350 million dollars to help expand their business. Zuffa took out all of these loans to help expand to England, Mexico, the Philippines, etc.

A few million off of a show… not even worth a second thought to them.

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]]> By: Darin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44503 Darin Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:57:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44503 This all seems to hinge on the UFC retaining a controlling interest in Couture. Even if they win in court, isn't there a time limit on how long they can keep somebody (like one year extra from being champion) and so would just mean a new set date when Randy is free to continue his career elsewhere? I doubt they can keep somebody for a lifetime by keeping them the champion. As I understand it these contracts are not like a company signing to deliver some amount of oil at some price. These are number of fights or time. Either one finishes and the contract is considered over (with things like a 30 day first right of refusal written in to follow that). This all seems to hinge on the UFC retaining a controlling interest in Couture. Even if they win in court, isn’t there a time limit on how long they can keep somebody (like one year extra from being champion) and so would just mean a new set date when Randy is free to continue his career elsewhere? I doubt they can keep somebody for a lifetime by keeping them the champion. As I understand it these contracts are not like a company signing to deliver some amount of oil at some price. These are number of fights or time. Either one finishes and the contract is considered over (with things like a 30 day first right of refusal written in to follow that).

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]]> By: OCD http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44501 OCD Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:51:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44501 When it is all said and done, and this fight happens, we will all wonder why we spent so much time on it. Randy is overmatched in this case. He hasn't beaten anyone worthwhile in the last four years. His 16-8 record is pitiful, and while he looks like he is at his 'peak', he is no match for Fedor. The only person that can beat Fedor, is Fedor. And, I am no Fedor nutthugger. This hyping of this fight is comical, really. Randy wants it for his final payday, he has everything to win and nothing to lose. When it is all said and done, and this fight happens, we will all wonder why we spent so much time on it. Randy is overmatched in this case. He hasn’t beaten anyone worthwhile in the last four years. His 16-8 record is pitiful, and while he looks like he is at his ‘peak’, he is no match for Fedor. The only person that can beat Fedor, is Fedor. And, I am no Fedor nutthugger.

This hyping of this fight is comical, really. Randy wants it for his final payday, he has everything to win and nothing to lose.

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]]> By: chris hill http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44500 chris hill Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:09:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44500 At this point who really cares. Fedor beat tim so all his nuthuggers can say he is legit and and now he doesnt have to hear he hasnt fought any quality competition for another 2 years. He will do his new years freakshow fight in japan and make huge money and in another year fight someone else who is legit. He isnt interested in fighting the best as long as people say he is the best and he can fight a freak for huge money what does he care. Also Randy is a greedy douche his true colors have come out. The dude signed a fight extension of 4 fights so he could collect a signing bonus and then bails. He lacks integrity and is just looking for a huge payday he doesnt realize that without the UFC pushing him the casual fans will lose interest. Its clear this has nothing to do with fighting the best but finding a way for randy to get his one last score before he retires. If he honored his contract he would have fought fedor by now but he didnt he must have consulted tito ortiz in how to be a businessman because what he did was short sighted and actually has cost him a lot of money. At this point who really cares. Fedor beat tim so all his nuthuggers can say he is legit and and now he doesnt have to hear he hasnt fought any quality competition for another 2 years. He will do his new years freakshow fight in japan and make huge money and in another year fight someone else who is legit. He isnt interested in fighting the best as long as people say he is the best and he can fight a freak for huge money what does he care. Also Randy is a greedy douche his true colors have come out. The dude signed a fight extension of 4 fights so he could collect a signing bonus and then bails. He lacks integrity and is just looking for a huge payday he doesnt realize that without the UFC pushing him the casual fans will lose interest. Its clear this has nothing to do with fighting the best but finding a way for randy to get his one last score before he retires. If he honored his contract he would have fought fedor by now but he didnt he must have consulted tito ortiz in how to be a businessman because what he did was short sighted and actually has cost him a lot of money.

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]]> By: Ken http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44498 Ken Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:34:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44498 if i was a ferrita or white I'd be laughing at the thought of that fight happening anywhere else but the UFC. it would only dilute thier brand. they can make plenty of money with other fights and future plans. randy should just go fight and finish his contract. if fedor really wants to fight randy, he can do so in the UFC. what is preventing him? probably the fact that there's a good chance he will lose in a cage. if Randy gets Fedor against the cage, look out. Fedor has no experience there. apparently Randy was angered about the amount of money offered to Fedor. it must have been a substantial amount. all Randy needs to do is ask for the same as Fedor gets. ufc would probably cough it up somehow. if i was a ferrita or white I’d be laughing at the thought of that fight happening anywhere else but the UFC. it would only dilute thier brand. they can make plenty of money with other fights and future plans.

randy should just go fight and finish his contract.

if fedor really wants to fight randy, he can do so in the UFC. what is preventing him? probably the fact that there’s a good chance he will lose in a cage. if Randy gets Fedor against the cage, look out. Fedor has no experience there.

apparently Randy was angered about the amount of money offered to Fedor. it must have been a substantial amount. all Randy needs to do is ask for the same as Fedor gets. ufc would probably cough it up somehow.

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]]> By: GameCritics.com http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/14/the-couture-vs-fedor-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-44496 GameCritics.com Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:15:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5382#comment-44496 What's funny is that if Fedor had signed with the UFC, his contract would have already been up by now and M-1 would have much greater leverage for a co-promotion after the UFC PR machine would have made Fedor a star in the US. Just goes to show you that these Russians are not only "crazy", but they are stubborn. What’s funny is that if Fedor had signed with the UFC, his contract would have already been up by now and M-1 would have much greater leverage for a co-promotion after the UFC PR machine would have made Fedor a star in the US. Just goes to show you that these Russians are not only “crazy”, but they are stubborn.

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