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5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL

Joining me, personally, this week is David Andrest. David is a contributing writer for mmajunkie and an all around successful dude. David will be a Colbert-like “formidable opponent.”


1. Thiago Alves would be dominated in a title bout against Georges St. Pierre.

Andrest: FALSE. First off let me just say that I am one of the few that are not buying into the Georges St. Pierre hype machine. Is he a very good fighter? Yes, but his name shouldn’t even roll off the lips on anyone having a P4P discussion. St. Pierre has proven he can beat wrestlers. That is all he has proven. Other than a win over Serra (a 155lb guy, who isn’t exactly the greatest athlete you’ll come across) and a split decision win over a gassed BJ Penn that can be argued wasn’t a victory, he hasn’t beaten anyone who can get to his chin. Alves poses a different fight for him, one that he has not faced in his career. A great athlete with the ability and speed to punch or kick him right in the mouth. Alves would be bigger, as strong, and as fast with an entirely different skill set. St Pierre might (and I stress might) win this fight based on experience but that is the only advantage he will have but it better happen quickly for Georges sake.

Huckaby: TRUE. Oh sir, you are so off here. Not buying into the St. Pierre “hype machine?” Shouldn’t “roll off the lips of anyone having a P4P discussion?” GSP is with Anderson Silva and Fedor in the P4P discussion, end of story. I believe GSP will crush Thiago Alves simply because he is GSP and he will crush anyone if he’s healthy. This is a guy who isn’t even a wrestler until he fights wrestlers and suddenly believes he can be in the Olympics. That’s amazing. He has stuffed takedown after takedown from Hughes, Fitch and Koscheck…. fine, fine wrestlers. I was all on the “Liddell can only beat spoon-fed opponents” wagon up to his fight with Rampage so I’m aware of matchup problems. GSP has no matchup problems. GSP is fantastic and Thiago Alves, while excellent, is no GSP.

2. Cheick Kongo would be a great second opponent for another Brock Lesnar win.

Andrest: TRUE. Lesnar is quickly becoming a 280lb version of Sean Sherk, and with Kongo’s lack of ground game, he has little shot against a guy like Lesnar. Sure an unexpected punch on the button or kick to the head could happen, but Kongo hasn’t shown his kickboxing skills in so long, I’m beginning to think he has all but abandoned the idea of beating up opponents on their feet. Lesnar will take him to the floor at will, and fumble his way to victory.

Huckaby: TRUE. Kongo would have little to no chance against Lesnar. The only person that can beat Lesnar is a solid standup fighter with nice takedown defense (Cro Cop come back!) or a guy with a very solid BJJ game (Mir, Nog, etc). Lesnar is going to dominate any guy that can’t stop his takedowns or any guy that can’t knock him out quickly. I will give Lesnar his credit in that he’s aggressive as all hell and he’ll make any fight happen where he wants it. That said, if he fought Mir again tomorrow he’d lose via first round sub again.

3. Roger Huerta should have waited until after the Florian fight to openly discuss the UFC and their contracts.

Andrest: FALSE. There was nothing to gain by waiting until after the fight. Let’s get a few things straight. Huerta isn’t going anywhere, and isn’t going to be openly punished for speaking out the way he did. The worst that will happen to him is they will again give him a fight he won’t win and re-sign him to another deal (that he will sign) that isn’t to his liking. They might also stop the UFC hype machine and treat Huerta like every other good up and coming lightweight. Had Huerta won the Florian fight, he set himself up with more bargaining power, and wouldn’t run the risk of looking like a spoiled head case because he complained prior to being the “number 1″ contender. Truth be told, Huerta needs to demand a 10 percent raise, and immediately give that 10 percent to the Sports Illustrated photographer and editor who decided to feature him on the cover of their magazine, had that not happened Huerta would be no more popular to the average fan than Gray Maynard, Tyson Griffin, or Frankie Edgar.

Huckaby: TRUE. I agree with my own statement? BLASPHEMY! Pretty much everyone reading this knew Florian would whoop on Huerta so I don’t know where he found the testes to rip apart the UFC for the way they have marketed him. I rip on the UFC frequently but Huerta is purely a media matter hyped up by the great UFC machine and Sports Illustrated. Huerta is a fine fighter but he fights down to his opponent’s level and Florian was certainly not under him as most of us realized. I really like Huerta and I really don’t like Florian, but Roger had little chance in that fight. Roger Huerta should have been quiet and taken a raise even with a loss but instead he decided to run his mouth before he got beat down. Will he be released? I doubt it as he’s a poster boy, but he certainly didn’t help his longterm run in the UFC with his comments.


4. Heath Herring can take a better beating than anyone in mixed martial arts.

Huckaby: TRUE. You kind of have the advantage here as you can get more options thrown your way but let me explain how I mean this: Herring can take a better beating among top opponents and remain competitive on a major stage. Edwin Dewees can take a beating. Chris Lytle can take a major beating and never, ever quit. But Heath Herring has this ability to absorb it from the greatest fighters in history. Fedor gave him the second worst ground-and-pound I’ve ever seen in my life, Cro Cop tossed him around like a damned rag doll and Lesnar just beat the ungodly crap out of him. Herring won’t quit and he’ll face the biggest beatdowns you’ll ever see. If you top me, fair enough.

Andrest: FALSE. Yes, it’s true I’m among the biggest fans of Herring, and feel he is completely under appreciated by the average fan of MMA. While you have done a tremendous job of outlining my point to those who may be unaware of Herring’s resume, and it’s true he doesn’t have an ounce of quit in him, he shouldn’t even be considered in this category. When I think of guys taking a beating the first few names on this list are Sakuraba and Big Nog. I can’t count on one hand the number of times Sakuraba appeared close to death in an MMA ring, many times winning, sometimes taken out on a stretcher but never quit, and never feared a rematch (see any of his 3 fights with Wanderlei Silva for prime examples). And as far as Big Nog is concerned, he takes a beating better than anyone in MMA. I still contend he has never lost a fight but rather ran out of time before winning. You can beat on this man for days and he just keeps coming at you, never a better example than Nogueira’s win over Bob Sapp. There are very few times in your life you will watch a grown man get beat on and thrown around like a rag doll and still stick to a gameplan and pull off a victory. Just a brutal display, but truly beautiful at the same time. Sadly for Nogueira’s orbital bones he tops my list for fighter who takes a better beating than anyone.

5. Dana White should not be speaking publicly about Rampage Jackson’s future legal issues.

Huckaby: TRUE. This is downright offensive, who comments on legal matters before it comes to a court of law? Can’t you only hurt yourself? Did Dana White graduate from Harvard law in some ceremony I’m not aware of? Don’t get me wrong, I have personal experience with this issue…. I had a friend on an icy evening bump into the back of a car going 5mph at a stop light when I was 17 or so. The guy hopped right out and said no problem and then the woman stumbled out of the passenger seat and fell down only for her husband/boyfriend to yell, “OH MY GOD SHE’S PREGNANT!” Please. 20-25% of all pregnancies end in a miscarriage. I don’t believe this legal preceding for a second but at the same time it shows Dana White’s immaturity that he’d even open his mouth on the subject when his company has the money and the lawyers to defend this. Just shut up and win, what the hell are you thinking?

Andrest: TRUE. It would show incredibly bad form for anyone around the Rampage situation to speak on the record about this situation at all. While we are likely to never know what exactly was going on with Jackson at the time of this accident, one thing is for sure people who where not there should keep their mouths shut if they want to call themselves “friends” with the man. Even if they are trying to protect him nothing good can come of this.

6. Jeff Curran, moving to the WEC’s bantamweight division, could seriously challenge champion Miguel Torres.

Huckaby: TRUE. This pains me as I don’t really think Curran can take the belt but I guess he could “seriously challenge” Torres. Torres’ win over Beebe is still mindblowing to me in the way it happened and Curran is coming off of a couple of losses but I won’t doubt Curran’s ability to drop down and give it a real go. Torres is the best in the world at the weight but I’ll have to wait and see Curran in his tuneup fight(s) to see if he could really contend with him.

Andrest: FALSE. Let me preface this by saying this question is messed up as we may have a different definition of “seriously challenge.” If by “seriously challenge” you mean a guy that can go into the 3rd round before losing than yes, I may be wrong. But if you mean a guy that has a better than average shot at beating Torres, I stand by my statement. The “Bigger Frog” will not pose a real threat thus causing him to drop to flyweight to become the “Biggest Frog” and attempt to be a “serious threat” to Shinichi Kojima. Entertaining guy, but not a serious threat to any top-level talent at any weight.

And that ends this week’s DUEL. Thank you to David Andrest for participating and we look forward to having him in the future. Feel free to state your winner in the comments as always and we’ll see you next week when two more guys will battle in THE DUEL!~

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