Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 14:08:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Damo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44960 Damo Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:09:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44960 Feeding GSP wrestlers (Considering how his surprisingly talented wrestling game was only starting to get noticed after the Koschek fight) is nothing like feeding Chuck grapplers. For the most part Chuck was being fed people who needed to get the fight to the ground, and chuck was well known to have one of MMA's best sprawl and brawl techniques. To me, THAT is a champion they wanted to crown.. and picked his fights accordingly. Feeding an all rounder who straight off the bat, didn't really have one part of his game that stood out.. apart from his quickness on the feet, feeding him guys who are known to take people down at will, lay on them and beat them up... it just doesn't make sense to me saying that he didn't earn his stripes. He out wrestled the wrestlers they fed him, and lets be realistic - he walked through the entire division.. and it was a solid who's who list aswell. I don't have to list them names. You all know them as well as I do. I just don't see wrestlers being an 'easy feed' to someone like GSP. For a guy who was what, a purple belt in BJJ and liked to keep it standing and just out-work his opponents.. feeding him guys who will pick him up, put him on his head and pound him out or lay on him for three rounds.. that just doesn't sound like it was really supposed to be in Georges favour. But he prevailed and is a deserving champ. IMHO. Feeding GSP wrestlers (Considering how his surprisingly talented wrestling game was only starting to get noticed after the Koschek fight) is nothing like feeding Chuck grapplers.

For the most part Chuck was being fed people who needed to get the fight to the ground, and chuck was well known to have one of MMA’s best sprawl and brawl techniques.

To me, THAT is a champion they wanted to crown.. and picked his fights accordingly.

Feeding an all rounder who straight off the bat, didn’t really have one part of his game that stood out.. apart from his quickness on the feet, feeding him guys who are known to take people down at will, lay on them and beat them up… it just doesn’t make sense to me saying that he didn’t earn his stripes. He out wrestled the wrestlers they fed him, and lets be realistic – he walked through the entire division.. and it was a solid who’s who list aswell.

I don’t have to list them names. You all know them as well as I do.

I just don’t see wrestlers being an ‘easy feed’ to someone like GSP. For a guy who was what, a purple belt in BJJ and liked to keep it standing and just out-work his opponents.. feeding him guys who will pick him up, put him on his head and pound him out or lay on him for three rounds.. that just doesn’t sound like it was really supposed to be in Georges favour.

But he prevailed and is a deserving champ.

IMHO.

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]]> By: Warcry http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44832 Warcry Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:25:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44832 Alves is flying high after the destruction he put upon Hughes. If Gsp makes this a stand-up war that's a bad idea. He'll win because fighting IQ is what makes him stand head and shoulders above the other welterweights. He'll take him down and GnP his way to victory. Alves is flying high after the destruction he put upon Hughes. If Gsp makes this a stand-up war that’s a bad idea. He’ll win because fighting IQ is what makes him stand head and shoulders above the other welterweights. He’ll take him down and GnP his way to victory.

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]]> By: b.w. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44762 b.w. Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:10:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44762 DAVID ANDREST. saying that gsp shouldnt be on the lips of anyone on the p4p list is what got you in some hot water. you werent asked that! saying that alves would be a challenge is fine, but when you go out of your way to demean one the best mma fighters on the planet, you should expect some flack. DAVID ANDREST. saying that gsp shouldnt be on the lips of anyone on the p4p list is what got you in some hot water. you werent asked that! saying that alves would be a challenge is fine, but when you go out of your way to demean one the best mma fighters on the planet, you should expect some flack.

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44756 David Andrest Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:20:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44756 WOW, read the question, and then read and comprehend my response, and then comment. Did I say GSP would lose this fight??... The question wasn't about winning or losing. Someone can feel free and pipe in here who it is that GSP has beaten that isn't a wrestler in recent history other than the fights I listed? don't worry I'll wait.............. The question is about domination. I don't see it. Wouldn't mind seeing it, but have nothing to base the assumption off. There are two champs in the UFC in danger ( real not fluke) of losing their titles and GSP is one of them. Much like Chuck I want to see how he does against something other than wrestlers. Everyone remember how unbeatable Chuck was??? Que Rampage and Jardine and everyone wants to put a nail in the coffin. Chuck needs a win, a high profile win. They set up the fight with Rashad...How surprising. In Short, I just want to see GSP fight someone other than a wrestler, is that too much to ask before I crown him the greatest ever in the history of the sport. WOW, read the question, and then read and comprehend my response, and then comment.

Did I say GSP would lose this fight??…
The question wasn’t about winning or losing.
Someone can feel free and pipe in here who it is that GSP has beaten that isn’t a wrestler in recent history other than the fights I listed? don’t worry I’ll wait…………..

The question is about domination. I don’t see it. Wouldn’t mind seeing it, but have nothing to base the assumption off.

There are two champs in the UFC in danger ( real not fluke) of losing their titles and GSP is one of them.

Much like Chuck I want to see how he does against something other than wrestlers.

Everyone remember how unbeatable Chuck was??? Que Rampage and Jardine and everyone wants to put a nail in the coffin.

Chuck needs a win, a high profile win. They set up the fight with Rashad…How surprising.

In Short, I just want to see GSP fight someone other than a wrestler, is that too much to ask before I crown him the greatest ever in the history of the sport.

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]]> By: Beef http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44742 Beef Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:43:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44742 Good point on GSP's success lately being mostly against wrestlers (whom he's been out-wrestling). I agree that Thiago Alves will pose a tough opponent for GSP but I still think GSP will win (Takedown, GnP, UD win). 2 Things first, though: 1) GSP has BJ Penn to worry about. 2) Thiago Avles stands alone as the UFC's undisputed king of the 175 pound division and would have to "drop" weight to fight GSP. Maybe he should try the waters with a 170# fight against a top contender before he gets a title shot. Good point on GSP’s success lately being mostly against wrestlers (whom he’s been out-wrestling). I agree that Thiago Alves will pose a tough opponent for GSP but I still think GSP will win (Takedown, GnP, UD win).

2 Things first, though:

1) GSP has BJ Penn to worry about.
2) Thiago Avles stands alone as the UFC’s undisputed king of the 175 pound division and would have to “drop” weight to fight GSP. Maybe he should try the waters with a 170# fight against a top contender before he gets a title shot.

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]]> By: Damo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44722 Damo Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:17:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44722 Up until his last what, half dozen fights - GSP was widely considered a striker. Just because he mixes up his gameplans now and takes people down at will, do people forget what happens to people that stand in front of him? Admittedly i'm a GSP fan and have been ever since I watched him tearing people apart in TKO. But I think it's pretty clean cut that he has ADDED a true ground game, take downs and his unpredictable gameplans to his skillset that was largely take down defence and striking in the past. I think the three most career altering fights for GSP were the first Hughes fight, the BJ fight and the Serra fight. He has added something to his game every time and come back a completely different fighter. It's a hype train i'll continue to ride. Watching him evolve has been one of the more interesting stories in MMA for me over the last few years. Oh and Alves? Not a chance. Up until his last what, half dozen fights – GSP was widely considered a striker.

Just because he mixes up his gameplans now and takes people down at will, do people forget what happens to people that stand in front of him?

Admittedly i’m a GSP fan and have been ever since I watched him tearing people apart in TKO.

But I think it’s pretty clean cut that he has ADDED a true ground game, take downs and his unpredictable gameplans to his skillset that was largely take down defence and striking in the past.

I think the three most career altering fights for GSP were the first Hughes fight, the BJ fight and the Serra fight. He has added something to his game every time and come back a completely different fighter.

It’s a hype train i’ll continue to ride. Watching him evolve has been one of the more interesting stories in MMA for me over the last few years.

Oh and Alves? Not a chance.

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]]> By: RJA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44719 RJA Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:57:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44719 Oh and mario i'm a sanchez fan.But if sanchez dominates alves then alves has no business being in the octagon with GSP.Diego has lost to fitch@kos.As much as we would like to i don't think we will even see him get a title shot.But i hope i'm wrong.He is fun to watch. Oh and mario i’m a sanchez fan.But if sanchez dominates alves then alves has no business being in the octagon with GSP.Diego has lost to fitch@kos.As much as we would like to i don’t think we will even see him get a title shot.But i hope i’m wrong.He is fun to watch.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44714 mike wolfe Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:38:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44714 Alright. For those of you who don't like or can't understand "UFC math," I'll just give you the answer without bothering with the explanation. GSP will beat Alves, and it won't be close. Any questions? Alright. For those of you who don’t like or can’t understand “UFC math,” I’ll just give you the answer without bothering with the explanation. GSP will beat Alves, and it won’t be close. Any questions?

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]]> By: b.w. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44710 b.w. Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:27:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44710 why is there even a discussion about gsp's chin. he got tko'ed once and didnt even get hit on the chin, it was behind the ear on the side of the head . it was a legal punch cuz gsp was ducking right when serra was throwing, but it still didnt come close to his chin. he then when on to take what? 15-20 more unanswered punches before he tapped out. sure if alves lands a big knee to gsp's chin, he can rock him, but i can guarentee you gsp is gonna test his chin 1rst and i dont see alves's holding up. gsp is defenitley 1 of the top 3 p4p fighters on the planet and if ANDREST is getting more than free t-shirts and dvd's then he is way overpaid. i dont see alves even making it past a much improved diego anyway. id say gsp vs bj is about 50/50 with a slight edge to gsp with his dominant win over fitch. why is there even a discussion about gsp’s chin. he got tko’ed once and didnt even get hit on the chin, it was behind the ear on the side of the head . it was a legal punch cuz gsp was ducking right when serra was throwing, but it still didnt come close to his chin. he then when on to take what? 15-20 more unanswered punches before he tapped out. sure if alves lands a big knee to gsp’s chin, he can rock him, but i can guarentee you gsp is gonna test his chin 1rst and i dont see alves’s holding up. gsp is defenitley 1 of the top 3 p4p fighters on the planet and if ANDREST is getting more than free t-shirts and dvd’s then he is way overpaid. i dont see alves even making it past a much improved diego anyway. id say gsp vs bj is about 50/50 with a slight edge to gsp with his dominant win over fitch.

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44704 darkmetal Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:01:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44704 First of all, GSP looked even better (hard to believe) than I have seen him when he fought Fitch. The guy has packed on major muscles via his current training regimen. And even after 5 rounds of beating on Fitch, he looked only slightly winded. He will win until he decides to quit training with his current intensity, or he is injured. But at his current level, he is one of the top p4p fighters in the known universe. Kongo will have little chance at beating "The Vanilla Gorilla" Brock Lesnar. Lesnar will overpower him easily and beat on him like a Conga...Kongo drum. Any man that would purposefully piss of a beautiful woman like Arianni Celeste by screwing around on her must be somewhat messed up in the Cabasa. Such is the case with Roger Huerta. He had a chance to prove himself against a great foe in the form of Kenny Florian, but he dropped the ball. He should have kept his mouth shut, and if he had lost the fight he could have simply stated he was "Going back to the drawing board", and it would have been accepted. Now he has Dana White miffed at his lazy attitude toward promotion, and White can come back with "You proved you weren't worth the money..." And what will his defense be? On White's opinions on Rampage's legal situation: White is simply stating his opinion, just as we do on here all the time. He doesn't need much to state what he believes, and nobody expect him to be right. First of all, GSP looked even better (hard to believe) than I have seen him when he fought Fitch. The guy has packed on major muscles via his current training regimen. And even after 5 rounds of beating on Fitch, he looked only slightly winded. He will win until he decides to quit training with his current intensity, or he is injured. But at his current level, he is one of the top p4p fighters in the known universe.

Kongo will have little chance at beating “The Vanilla Gorilla” Brock Lesnar. Lesnar will overpower him easily and beat on him like a Conga…Kongo
drum.

Any man that would purposefully piss of a beautiful woman like Arianni Celeste by screwing around on her must be somewhat messed up in the Cabasa. Such is the case with Roger Huerta. He had a chance to prove himself against a great foe in the form of Kenny Florian, but he dropped the ball. He should have kept his mouth shut, and if he had lost the fight he could have simply stated he was “Going back to the drawing board”, and it would have been accepted. Now he has Dana White miffed at his lazy attitude toward promotion, and White can come back with “You proved you weren’t worth the money…” And what will his defense be?

On White’s opinions on Rampage’s legal situation:
White is simply stating his opinion, just as we do on here all the time. He doesn’t need much to state what he believes, and nobody expect him to be right.

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]]> By: nick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44703 nick Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:49:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44703 Enough with the UFC math. Just because Fitch beat Alves and GSP beat Fitch doesnt mean Alves will lose. Rampage lost to Wandy twice but Chuck beat Wandy.. so that means Chuck should beat Rampage right? Wrong. Its all depends on the matchup. Alves has knockout power and im sure he'll land a few knees on GSP. Same with Anderson Silva, he has the perfect style to beat GSP. Quick and explosive. BTW im not comparing Alves to Silva. Enough with the UFC math. Just because Fitch beat Alves and GSP beat Fitch doesnt mean Alves will lose. Rampage lost to Wandy twice but Chuck beat Wandy.. so that means Chuck should beat Rampage right? Wrong. Its all depends on the matchup. Alves has knockout power and im sure he’ll land a few knees on GSP. Same with Anderson Silva, he has the perfect style to beat GSP. Quick and explosive. BTW im not comparing Alves to Silva.

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]]> By: Cobra Kai http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44693 Cobra Kai Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:30:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44693 My posts haven't been showing up. If this one does sorry for wasting your time reading it. My posts haven’t been showing up. If this one does sorry for wasting your time reading it.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44692 Rich S. Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:24:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44692 The Thiago questions weird for me.. because i have two theories for that fight.. 1: Thiago will do better than Fitch because his standup will provide wayyyy more KO power, and technique.. 2: I knew, deep down inside, that there was no way GSP was going to finish Fitch.. but, i could see him finishing Thiago.. Thiago would probably tire out [which is physically and mentally impossible for GSP] and GSP would be able to finish him off via Gnp, Cut, TKO, etc.. so, on one hand i feel that Thiago will do better than Fitch did, but i also think he won't make it as long as Fitch did.. make any sense? The Thiago questions weird for me..

because i have two theories for that fight..

1: Thiago will do better than Fitch because his standup will provide wayyyy more KO power, and technique..

2: I knew, deep down inside, that there was no way GSP was going to finish Fitch.. but, i could see him finishing Thiago.. Thiago would probably tire out [which is physically and mentally impossible for GSP] and GSP would be able to finish him off via Gnp, Cut, TKO, etc..

so, on one hand i feel that Thiago will do better than Fitch did, but i also think he won’t make it as long as Fitch did..

make any sense?

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]]> By: Jye http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44688 Jye Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:08:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44688 I think on a website mainly consisting of hardcore fans he can still win the argument by saying GSP is GSP. We all know what GSP brings to the table cause he's proven it so many times against top opponents. He's the most well rounded fighter in all of MMA (I think he wins this hands down) and to say that he shouldn't be in the top P4P argument is a joke of a statement. Also Alves couldn't stop GSP taking him down, even Hughes got him down in their fight and if wasn't for the 5 seconds of GNP in the end of the 1st he probably would of taken that round. I think on a website mainly consisting of hardcore fans he can still win the argument by saying GSP is GSP. We all know what GSP brings to the table cause he’s proven it so many times against top opponents. He’s the most well rounded fighter in all of MMA (I think he wins this hands down) and to say that he shouldn’t be in the top P4P argument is a joke of a statement.

Also Alves couldn’t stop GSP taking him down, even Hughes got him down in their fight and if wasn’t for the 5 seconds of GNP in the end of the 1st he probably would of taken that round.

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]]> By: Sleepwalker http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44684 Sleepwalker Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:45:23 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44684 LOL @ David Andrest. Are you watching the same GSP that the rest of us are? I understand there's a need to play devil's advocate, but figure out when to pick your battles; this is just ridiculous. We heard the same caveats and excuses when he went up against Fitch: GSP can dominate wrestlers, BUT NOT this wrestler - blah blah blah. Take him for what he is - a true champ. LOL @ David Andrest. Are you watching the same GSP that the rest of us are? I understand there’s a need to play devil’s advocate, but figure out when to pick your battles; this is just ridiculous. We heard the same caveats and excuses when he went up against Fitch: GSP can dominate wrestlers, BUT NOT this wrestler – blah blah blah.

Take him for what he is – a true champ.

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]]> By: Smokes http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44683 Smokes Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:42:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44683 Andrest your getting a lot of hate on the GSP issue and although I believe GSP to be in the top 5 P4P I think you did an excellent job of stating your point. Its hard to argue that point and Huck had nothing to say against that other than GSP will win. No offense Huck but even though you were right there, I'd say you lost that arguement on lack of ability to back up your statement. I think though if Thiago fights GSP Andrest will be singing another tune Andrest your getting a lot of hate on the GSP issue and although I believe GSP to be in the top 5 P4P I think you did an excellent job of stating your point. Its hard to argue that point and Huck had nothing to say against that other than GSP will win. No offense Huck but even though you were right there, I’d say you lost that arguement on lack of ability to back up your statement. I think though if Thiago fights GSP Andrest will be singing another tune

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44661 David Andrest Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:32:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44661 OK so I am not sold on GSP. If that is reason to lose the Duel. so be it. OK so I am not sold on GSP. If that is reason to lose the Duel. so be it.

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]]> By: Wolfgang http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44657 Wolfgang Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:11:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44657 Huckaby's response on GSP is very weak and doesn't put up an argument at all. GSP will win b/c he's GSP? And then he addresses Andrest's comment about how GSP has only proven that he's beaten wrestlers by saying GSP is a phenomenal wrestler? And then Huckaby tries to reassure that he's aware of match up problems but then goes back to the fact that GSP is GSP so he can't lose. WTF I personally think GSP beats Thiago, but Huckaby's response is ludicrous Huckaby’s response on GSP is very weak and doesn’t put up an argument at all.

GSP will win b/c he’s GSP?

And then he addresses Andrest’s comment about how GSP has only proven that he’s beaten wrestlers by saying GSP is a phenomenal wrestler?

And then Huckaby tries to reassure that he’s aware of match up problems but then goes back to the fact that GSP is GSP so he can’t lose.

WTF

I personally think GSP beats Thiago, but Huckaby’s response is ludicrous

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44655 Cathedron Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:56:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44655 I'm sorry, but I just can't understand anyone thinking that anyone could force Lesnar to keep it standing. I don't give a shit how good your sprawl is, you can't outsprawl a friggin truck for long. Lesnar just has too much speed, too much power and his wrestling is too good. Kongo better be training submissions and running wind sprints. And you think Cro Cop would stand a chance? Please. His sprawl is greatly aided by his fighting in a ring (which nullifies a lot of wrestling to begin with) and don't forget that Cro Cop is small enough to easily cut down to LHW. Cro Cop is out of his prime anyway. Thiago would present a unique challenge to GSP, but I don't think anyone in the division can beat GSP right now. His standup is good enough to at least survive the best that Thiago can throw at him, but then it will go to the ground and Thiago will be in a lot of trouble. I’m sorry, but I just can’t understand anyone thinking that anyone could force Lesnar to keep it standing. I don’t give a shit how good your sprawl is, you can’t outsprawl a friggin truck for long. Lesnar just has too much speed, too much power and his wrestling is too good. Kongo better be training submissions and running wind sprints. And you think Cro Cop would stand a chance? Please. His sprawl is greatly aided by his fighting in a ring (which nullifies a lot of wrestling to begin with) and don’t forget that Cro Cop is small enough to easily cut down to LHW. Cro Cop is out of his prime anyway.

Thiago would present a unique challenge to GSP, but I don’t think anyone in the division can beat GSP right now. His standup is good enough to at least survive the best that Thiago can throw at him, but then it will go to the ground and Thiago will be in a lot of trouble.

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]]> By: Sergio G. Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/15/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-16/comment-page-1/#comment-44654 Sergio G. Hernandez Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:54:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5414#comment-44654 "So if Thiago can hit him hard enough and stuff his takedown afterwards, he stands a pretty good shot." Right, because Alves has better takedown defense than Hughes, Koscheck, Fitch, etc... “So if Thiago can hit him hard enough and stuff his takedown afterwards, he stands a pretty good shot.”

Right, because Alves has better takedown defense than Hughes, Koscheck, Fitch, etc…

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