Comments on: 5 Oz of Pain on CBS Sports: Title shot for Brock Lesnar might not be too far off

By: dpk

dpk — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:35:19 +0000

I’d make the Lesnar v Kongo match right now. And then have him fight Gonzaga as a co-main event of the Nog/Mir winner vs Werdum. If he beat Kongo and Gonzaga there would be no reason to not give him a UFC title shot. At the same time I’d look to put Cain in with Coleman by the end of the year. I think Cain would take him out, and it would give him a good name to build off of. Cain and Carwin are each only about 3-4 wins away. I think all things being equal, Carwin would get the first shot of these two because he is a little older, has more fights on his record, and Cain can potentially be the HW star of the next decade, while Carwin (and Lesnar) can be a star of the next 3-5 years.

By: hankt the tank

hankt the tank — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:29:48 +0000

if lesnar mets nog the smartest thing woud be to just let the fight be a stand up war becose lesnar woud destroy nog standig. nogs standup is shiiiiiit!!!!!

By: darkmetal

darkmetal — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:12:38 +0000

First of all, Lesnar layed down strikes on Herring throughout the fight. HH’s face was a mess, and both his eyes were almost closed, with what might be permanent medical damage to one eye (lets hope HH is wrong on that diagnosis) from his massive first punch.

I agree that Lesnar played it safe for much of the fight, not attempting BJJ moves on several occasions, but I think he did so because Herring is moderately strong at reversals, so he avoided them.

Lesnar will beat Kongo, of that I am sure. And I give him a 70% chance of beating Gonzaga, who will probablly be his next opponent after that. Remember that Couture did not beat Gonzago via a fancy BJJ move, but rather by using basic Greco-roman wrestling and GNP. In this category, Lesnar is very powerful.

Brock Lesnar is stronger and faster than any heavyweight in the UFC, and this makes up for his lack of more complex skills. Can be be caught? Of course he can, as he did against Mir. But had he fought like he did against Herring when fighting Mir, he would have won.

By: RAizzle

RAizzle — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:29:12 +0000

Leg Kicks also mean another straight right from 7 feet away. The SOB could hit from shocking distance.

By: xx2000xx

xx2000xx — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:49:21 +0000

Watch Sherk vs Florian. Boring 5 round but Sherk killed him.

Funny, Brock is 5x more than Sean. He will do better, but people want to see him and not Sherk.

By: Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:04:17 +0000

@ Derek B

Leg kick Attempts = take down with Lesnar’s speed and Wrasslin’ skills.

By: Warcry

Warcry — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:16:19 +0000

The Ufc HW division is on the rise. While I give Affliction the nod for now at HW, in 2 years time this division will put them in the rearview mirror. Lesnar, Velasquez, Carwin, Werdum, and Gonzaga the future is bright. After hitting a missing the Ufc has put a roster of Hw that is compelling finally looking forward. Imo, believe it or not the Ufc has more depth than Affliction far as quality matchups.

By: tricky dicky

tricky dicky — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:28:40 +0000

does nothing but soeak to how shitty their hw division is than how good lesnar factually is.

p.s. if lesnar is set to mangle fedor what will he do to the current UFC champ?

lmao..

to me Velasquez > that bloated blond troll.

By: Derek B

Derek B — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:25:27 +0000

leg kicks are whats going to kill lesnar.

By: BJJDenver

BJJDenver — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:48:57 +0000

In no way is this meant as a sleight towards Lesner, BUT,

You gotta love the UFC HW division. Win a fight, get a title shot!

I think this speaks volumes as to the depth of the HWs and that the UFC has gone into a rebuilding stage for the division.

Of course a Lesner title shot would probably be huge on ppv, so…

By: stevefiji

stevefiji — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:53:46 +0000

Lesnar is no more than 2 fights away from a title shot unless Fedor and/or Couture come into the UFC fold…. He takes Kongo, then he takes one of the BJJ guys (Verdum or GG) and if he does win, he’s 100% got his title shot. If Mir is the champ, we all know he was only 30 seconds away from an impressive TKO and so Lesnar deserves the rematch almost immediately, if Nog wins, Mir needs to fight 2 more fights at least, for another title shot and so he’ll slot in right behind Lesnar and why throw him to Mir anyway when the bigger money with the same exact risk is with Nog?

In fact, why throw more than 1 BJJ guy to Lesnar before his shot… it serves absolutely no purpose at all, the PPV buys will be off the charts for a Lesnar title fight. If Lesnar wins the title, with that kind of massive credibility he will sit on the throne as the #1 PPV king for a long, long time, even if he ends up losing his first defense to a BJJ specialist.

And to all those crying about a weak HW division in the UFC, what’s so impressive about the HW’s outside of the UFC? Two talented Russian brothers (one supremely talented, one who is borderline Top 10) both who refuse to fight contenders regularly, two UFC castoffs (one who is one win above .500 in his last 15 fights and the other who last fought on a UFC undercard) … and, oh yeah, almost forgot… the most overrated HW in the game today, Barnett.

So I contend the HW ranks worldwide are thin, not just the UFC, and the UFC has literally all the exceptional young talent. Dana has stockpiled himself about 10 mega fights in the HW division starting in about 8 months and lasting another 3 years after that. Good times ahead for the big boys…

By: xx2000xx

xx2000xx — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:35:09 +0000

If Nog beats Mir, and Lesnar beats Kongo impressively like he did with Herring it will be interesting what they do.

I think they might just go ahead with Nog/Werdum for the belt with Lesnar/Gonzaga as the co main event. If Lesnar beats Gonzaga they will give him a shot at the belt.

That gives him maybe 8 months to learn how to defend subs. If he can defend the triangle/arm bar from the top, I can see a ref stoppage round 3 with Lesnar destroying Nog. Nog won’t turtle up like Herring did and will try to work the sub from the bottom, and while doing so, will be taking massive damage.

By: HexRei

HexRei — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:27:56 +0000

I think this talk of Kongo beating Lesnar is silly. Yes, if he could keep Lesnar standing it would be a win for him, but he won’t be able to. He couldn’t handle Herring on the ground and he definitely won’t be able to handle Lesnar’s shoots. And despite the fact that Kongo is huge, Lesnar is even huger, so there will be no size advantage for Kongo. Lesnar will walk all over Kongo. And I’m hardly a Lesnar fan either, just telling it straight.

By: Nate

Nate — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:05:42 +0000

Lesnar is the reason I liked the old PRIDE FC crazy matchups they threw sometimes. I image a kid saying, “who would win in an armwrestle match, chuck norris or a missile?

I love the craziness Lesnar brings to the sport. I hated his antics after the fight, but everything else is class act. He knows how to talk, train, learn. I agree with the rankings. I am anxious to see where the HW division goes.

I LOVE THIS SPORT!

By: mike wolfe

mike wolfe — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:59:31 +0000

Lots of people saying UFC heavy weight is weak. Other than Fedor, who outside the UFC would you consider a strong heavy weight? Not Tim Sylvia, and Arlovski couldn’t handle the UFC competition. I’ll give you Barnett, too, but with Fedor that’s only two.

By: Calgary MLS

Calgary MLS — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:49:02 +0000

That may be a little quick. I think if he has another 3 fights with some good competition and if he keep improving then maybe. If he does another “smothered & covered” performance it should take a while. Those are fights that are pretty boring and not very technical at all.

By: Rich S.

Rich S. — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:30:31 +0000

Doc, are you serious?

i don’t know if you mean 5 fights in his career, or 5 or so in the UFC.. but if it’s the latter, that’s EXACTLY what gets you a title shot..

i can understand not giving a guy who’s 3-1 or 4-1 a title shot.. but, hey, look at KJ Noons…

By: egad81

egad81 — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 04:09:22 +0000

Brock needs to do BJJ and CARDIO and he will dominate for a long time.

By: Johnny Lawrence

Johnny Lawrence — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:57:37 +0000

UFC needs him as Heavyweight Champ. He’s the best of the current crop, and within the year he’ll be the champ. like it or not, cannnn you diggggg it?

By: bob

bob — Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:21:59 +0000

I’d have Cain ahead of Brock – based on Cain’s performance against O’Brian