Comments on: EliteXC’s Shaw won’t rule out stripping Noons of title http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45622 Batman Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:50:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45622 I say take his belt to teach him a lesson. I say take his belt to teach him a lesson.

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]]> By: dsid http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45555 dsid Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:04:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45555 Noons and his management are idiots. Think about it this way. If Noons fights Alvarez and loses, do you think he'll get another shot at the title? Hell no. Not at this point. But if he loses to Diaz they're right in position to demand the rubber match. And if he beats Diaz he's free and clear of the guy forever. The other thing they seem to miss the boat on is the best fight for Noons is the one that will generate the most attention / hype / viewers. And that fight is Diaz. If they had half a brain between them they'd take the fight, hype it up like crazy, generate a big audience on CBS and hope for the fight of the year, at which point Noons would prove to have drawing power, which he could then later take to another organization. But right now he's the champion of an nothing division in a nothing organization and no one else will really want him. And with the way they're going he's either going to ride the pine (yea, that's great for the career), or get stripped of the title all together (even worse) and end up fighting nothing boxing matches instead. And that doesn't even mention the fact that it's EliteXC's promotion and their right to determine who the #1 contender is, who would make the most exciting fight, etc. Every person in the UFC (a real promotion) other than Couture has fought whoever the UFC puts in front of them. And yet this second tier fighter wants to hold out for a handpicked opponent? LOL Noons and his management are idiots. Think about it this way. If Noons fights Alvarez and loses, do you think he’ll get another shot at the title? Hell no. Not at this point. But if he loses to Diaz they’re right in position to demand the rubber match. And if he beats Diaz he’s free and clear of the guy forever.

The other thing they seem to miss the boat on is the best fight for Noons is the one that will generate the most attention / hype / viewers. And that fight is Diaz. If they had half a brain between them they’d take the fight, hype it up like crazy, generate a big audience on CBS and hope for the fight of the year, at which point Noons would prove to have drawing power, which he could then later take to another organization.

But right now he’s the champion of an nothing division in a nothing organization and no one else will really want him. And with the way they’re going he’s either going to ride the pine (yea, that’s great for the career), or get stripped of the title all together (even worse) and end up fighting nothing boxing matches instead.

And that doesn’t even mention the fact that it’s EliteXC’s promotion and their right to determine who the #1 contender is, who would make the most exciting fight, etc. Every person in the UFC (a real promotion) other than Couture has fought whoever the UFC puts in front of them. And yet this second tier fighter wants to hold out for a handpicked opponent? LOL

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]]> By: Austin http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45540 Austin Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:04:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45540 What's DIAZ's side to all of this mess? What’s DIAZ’s side to all of this mess?

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]]> By: Nick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45533 Nick Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:40:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45533 regardless of whether anyone of us thinks diaz is a deserving challenger (i think he is) the main thing is that XC believes he is.....as a few others have said, since it's their belt then they get to call the shots and noons should do as he's told. if noons wins then the alvarez fight can happen next and maybe on cbs again but if he loses then XC has alvarez/diaz....and noons can go wherever he wants, boxing or otherwise. i agree about this opening a pandora's box if XC doesn't walk the walk here and strip noons for not defending. regardless of whether anyone of us thinks diaz is a deserving challenger (i think he is) the main thing is that XC believes he is…..as a few others have said, since it’s their belt then they get to call the shots and noons should do as he’s told.

if noons wins then the alvarez fight can happen next and maybe on cbs again but if he loses then XC has alvarez/diaz….and noons can go wherever he wants, boxing or otherwise.

i agree about this opening a pandora’s box if XC doesn’t walk the walk here and strip noons for not defending.

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]]> By: Jay K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45531 Jay K. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:46:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45531 Ha! Too funny that Mike Wolfe would refer to Jared Shaw as artful! Honorable Mention, Mike! Seriously now, its a sign that things aren't going well for the franchise's health when they have to promote grudge matches to bump their viewership. I can't support Noons when thing aren't looking good like this. Its apparent that they need each other and both sides need to pitch in here and add to the franchise's momentum. Jay K. Ha! Too funny that Mike Wolfe would refer to Jared Shaw as artful! Honorable Mention, Mike!

Seriously now, its a sign that things aren’t going well for the franchise’s health when they have to promote grudge matches to bump their viewership. I can’t support Noons when thing aren’t looking good like this. Its apparent that they need each other and both sides need to pitch in here and add to the franchise’s momentum.

Jay K.

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45525 Jackyl Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:35:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45525 It doesn't matter if Diaz deserves the shot or not. Part of the reason they want Diaz on that card is name recognition for the CBS broadcast. Plus it would be a pretty good fight. As the champ you defend against all comers. I just can't get behind Noons on this. It doesn’t matter if Diaz deserves the shot or not. Part of the reason they want Diaz on that card is name recognition for the CBS broadcast. Plus it would be a pretty good fight. As the champ you defend against all comers. I just can’t get behind Noons on this.

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]]> By: fightfan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45524 fightfan Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:20:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45524 That's the thing there are only 4 or 5 160 lbers under contract to ELite XC, IF THAT......I would love to see their roster of potenial 160 fights. Plain and simple the Shaws were going to give Kimbo whatever he wants and do whatever it takes to keep Diaz That’s the thing there are only 4 or 5 160 lbers under contract to ELite
XC, IF THAT……I would love to see their roster of potenial 160 fights.

Plain and simple the Shaws were going to give Kimbo whatever he wants and do whatever it takes to keep Diaz

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45519 Rich S. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:56:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45519 ahhhh there's hope!!! sorry Noons!!!!! Noons' last two wins were MIRACLES and wouldn't happen twice in ANYONE'S lifetime.. i can't wait for the day EVERYONE gets to see that.. ahhhh there’s hope!!!

sorry Noons!!!!!

Noons’ last two wins were MIRACLES and wouldn’t happen twice in ANYONE’S lifetime..

i can’t wait for the day EVERYONE gets to see that..

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45517 HexRei Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:15:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45517 Also, if you think that anyone currently signed to EXC deserves a shot more than Diaz I'd love to hear who. Also, if you think that anyone currently signed to EXC deserves a shot more than Diaz I’d love to hear who.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45516 HexRei Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:14:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45516 Ooops, 2 months and a week. typo. Ooops, 2 months and a week. typo.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45515 HexRei Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:13:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45515 "And didnt Koons just DEFEND his belt 2 months ago, IF THAT??? And they are talking stripping the belt and sitting on the sidelines horseshit????" Actually it was about a month and a week. And they're asking him to take the fight in October. So by the time that date rolls around it will be more like 4 months. It's not unreasonable to ask him to defend his title 4 months after a fight in which he received no injury whatsoever, and its not like he's defended it a bunch of times and deserves a rest, he's defended it exactly once and has only three fights in the EXC promotion (four if you count ShoXC) so let's not pretend that he's made A.Silva-like accomplishments and deserves 6 months off. The dude has barely done anything at all in MMA, Nick Diaz' record makes Noons' look practically nonexistent. “And didnt Koons just DEFEND his belt 2 months ago, IF THAT??? And they are talking stripping the belt and sitting on the sidelines horseshit????”

Actually it was about a month and a week. And they’re asking him to take the fight in October. So by the time that date rolls around it will be more like 4 months. It’s not unreasonable to ask him to defend his title 4 months after a fight in which he received no injury whatsoever, and its not like he’s defended it a bunch of times and deserves a rest, he’s defended it exactly once and has only three fights in the EXC promotion (four if you count ShoXC) so let’s not pretend that he’s made A.Silva-like accomplishments and deserves 6 months off. The dude has barely done anything at all in MMA, Nick Diaz’ record makes Noons’ look practically nonexistent.

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]]> By: TheSomberlain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45513 TheSomberlain Fri, 22 Aug 2008 06:20:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45513 I totally agree with fightcan and BJJ in VA on Diaz's so called status as the number one contender. I personally would love to see that fight so Noons can turn Diaz's face into a bloody pulp and shut all these goddamn plastic Diaz fans. As far as the belt, this is sounding alot like Randy's conflict with the UFC. If Noons can get out, he should. That circus act isnt going anywhere and once Kimbo loses, its done. I totally agree with fightcan and BJJ in VA on Diaz’s so called status as the number one contender. I personally would love to see that fight so Noons can turn Diaz’s face into a bloody pulp and shut all these goddamn plastic Diaz fans. As far as the belt, this is sounding alot like Randy’s conflict with the UFC. If Noons can get out, he should. That circus act isnt going anywhere and once Kimbo loses, its done.

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]]> By: shine_box http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45500 shine_box Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:08:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45500 At the same time, you can't say that this dosen't send ideas into other fighter's minds. They start thinking, if KJ can turn down fights and hold out, why can't I? Or even worse, start thinking, 'Hey, I don't want to fight that guy, I want someone else.' To me it opens a Pandora's Box where fighters and their agents begin to push back on match-ups. While in this situation it may be somewhat more justified, I think it sends the wrong message. Orgs should decide match-ups, not fighters. At the same time, you can’t say that this dosen’t send ideas into other fighter’s minds. They start thinking, if KJ can turn down fights and hold out, why can’t I? Or even worse, start thinking, ‘Hey, I don’t want to fight that guy, I want someone else.’

To me it opens a Pandora’s Box where fighters and their agents begin to push back on match-ups.

While in this situation it may be somewhat more justified, I think it sends the wrong message.

Orgs should decide match-ups, not fighters.

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]]> By: BJJ in VA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45492 BJJ in VA Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:10:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45492 Bullshit. I call bullshit. EliteXC is most certainly bush league. With only a handfull of actual legit world contender fighters how can EliteXC deny Noons of ANYTHING HE WANTS. Diaz was walked out of UFC because he couldnt even be a gate keeper. XC is just grasping at straws with this fight, it is only in Noons best interest to deny this fight. He can only benefit in saying what everyone else should already know, Diaz is not number one and if they cant provide number one then EliteXC should step out of Noons way. Whether or not Dion is a complete douche. Bullshit.

I call bullshit. EliteXC is most certainly bush league. With only a handfull of actual legit world contender fighters how can EliteXC deny Noons of ANYTHING HE WANTS. Diaz was walked out of UFC because he couldnt even be a gate keeper. XC is just grasping at straws with this fight, it is only in Noons best interest to deny this fight. He can only benefit in saying what everyone else should already know, Diaz is not number one and if they cant provide number one then EliteXC should step out of Noons way.

Whether or not Dion is a complete douche.

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]]> By: Venom http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45478 Venom Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:53:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45478 Fair enough! Fair enough!

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]]> By: ragefightingwear http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45476 ragefightingwear Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:51:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45476 Elite is in serious trouble anyway! Silva done, Kimbo fading, Noons fired? Elite is in serious trouble anyway! Silva done, Kimbo fading, Noons fired?

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45471 Mike Wolfe Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:33:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45471 Venom I didn't call Elite bush league, I said that Shaw's remarks made the org. look that way. White has had his "over the top" moments, too, but I don't think he's ever accused one of his title holders of ducking a fight. Most of his mud-slinging happens when a fighter or the fighter's management wants too much money. Huerta and Tito are recent examples. UFC and Couture are fighting, but I don't think White ever questioned Couture's heart the way Shaw is with Noons. Even if you think that to be the case, you won't make progress by insulting a guy's manhood. Shaw should be more artful than that. Venom

I didn’t call Elite bush league, I said that Shaw’s remarks made the org. look that way. White has had his “over the top” moments, too, but I don’t think he’s ever accused one of his title holders of ducking a fight. Most of his mud-slinging happens when a fighter or the fighter’s management wants too much money. Huerta and Tito are recent examples. UFC and Couture are fighting, but I don’t think White ever questioned Couture’s heart the way Shaw is with Noons. Even if you think that to be the case, you won’t make progress by insulting a guy’s manhood. Shaw should be more artful than that.

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]]> By: fightfan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45470 fightfan Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:28:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45470 And didnt Koons just DEFEND his belt 2 months ago, IF THAT??? And they are talking stripping the belt and sitting on the sidelines horseshit???? And didnt Koons just DEFEND his belt 2 months ago, IF THAT??? And they are talking stripping the belt and sitting on the sidelines horseshit????

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]]> By: fightfan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45469 fightfan Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:26:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45469 I dont agree with Dion one bit, but I also say that ELite has other options for title. Diaz is NOT number 1 contender??? I mean he beat an old ass Denny that they hand picked for him to KO in front of his hometown??? Then Cumbrey which almost went to a decision...So that is the best out there, when DIaz ALREDY HAD HIS CHANCE. So I agree with Dion there, 100% I know Elite has like 6 or 7 fighters in the 160 lb diviison....IF THAT MANY. The DIVISION made especially for Diaz. But they have to look at other than who Jared Shaw wants to win. If they had there way.....Bigfoot will lose the belt and Kimbo will fight himself out of a wet paper bag for the belt I dont agree with Dion one bit, but I also say that ELite has other options for title. Diaz is NOT number 1 contender??? I mean he beat an old ass Denny that they hand picked for him to KO in front of his hometown??? Then Cumbrey which almost went to a decision…So that is the best out there, when DIaz ALREDY HAD HIS CHANCE. So I agree with Dion there, 100%

I know Elite has like 6 or 7 fighters in the 160 lb diviison….IF THAT MANY. The DIVISION made especially for Diaz. But they have to look at other than who Jared Shaw wants to win.

If they had there way…..Bigfoot will lose the belt and Kimbo will fight himself out of a wet paper bag for the belt

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]]> By: Todd H http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/elitexcs-shaw-wont-rule-out-stripping-noons-of-title/comment-page-1/#comment-45465 Todd H Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:53:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5634#comment-45465 However you look at things both Elite and KJ Noons especially come off bad in this one. Truth be told Elite could pony up a little more than 23k for their champion but noons and his management aren;t doing him any favors in the MMA world. May'be KJ intends on boxing for a while. It looks as though that'll be his ony option for a while. love this quote “I would say the only guarantee K.J. has is to pull up a chair and watch the event and get comfortable on that chair because he’ll be sitting for a little bit.” LOL However you look at things both Elite and KJ Noons especially come off bad in this one.
Truth be told Elite could pony up a little more than 23k for their champion but noons and his management aren;t doing him any favors in the MMA world.

May’be KJ intends on boxing for a while. It looks as though that’ll be his ony option for a while.

love this quote
“I would say the only guarantee K.J. has is to pull up a chair and watch the event and get comfortable on that chair because he’ll be sitting for a little bit.” LOL

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