Comments on: Silva and his manager respond to positive test claim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jay952 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45551 Jay952 Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:41:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45551 It always amazes me how someone gets caught red handed "beyond resonable doubt" and denies it publicly. You dont think that the comission took every possible route to prove the accusations true prior to making this public and assigning the suspension? Are you kidding? Silva is guilty, his credibility is going to be forever tarnished, and he deserves every bit of the one year suspension and humiliation. On the flipside, Shrek was guilty but never admitted it, and he ended up getting a shot at the belt in his comeback fight. Do you think that this fuels as motivation for Silva to deny the claims? It always amazes me how someone gets caught red handed “beyond resonable doubt” and denies it publicly. You dont think that the comission took every possible route to prove the accusations true prior to making this public and assigning the suspension? Are you kidding? Silva is guilty, his credibility is going to be forever tarnished, and he deserves every bit of the one year suspension and humiliation. On the flipside, Shrek was guilty but never admitted it, and he ended up getting a shot at the belt in his comeback fight. Do you think that this fuels as motivation for Silva to deny the claims?

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]]> By: Jason G http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45539 Jason G Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:33:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45539 I dunno how thorough the testing is on these supplements but I think you'd at least have a better argument if you were only taking these supplements. The brand is EAS and the link is below: http://www.easme.com/protips/label_program.asp I dunno how thorough the testing is on these supplements but I think you’d at least have a better argument if you were only taking these supplements. The brand is EAS and the link is below:

http://www.easme.com/protips/label_program.asp

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]]> By: Jason G http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45538 Jason G Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:30:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45538 I want to believe the guy but it's hard to when you look at the facts. The only way I believe the guy could possibly be innocent is if he were unknowingly taking a tainted supplement. That's still no excuse. I know the NFL has an approved brand of supplements that an athlete can take that are guaranteed to be legal. Deep down I know the man just messed up his cycle and got caught... I want to believe the guy but it’s hard to when you look at the facts. The only way I believe the guy could possibly be innocent is if he were unknowingly taking a tainted supplement. That’s still no excuse. I know the NFL has an approved brand of supplements that an athlete can take that are guaranteed to be legal. Deep down I know the man just messed up his cycle and got caught…

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]]> By: GoofyMonkey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45528 GoofyMonkey Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:34:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45528 Why does anyone fight in California anymore? It seems that a lot more fighters get "Caught" using steroids in Cali than in Vegas. Perhaps there's something wrong with the system in either or both places... Why does anyone fight in California anymore? It seems that a lot more fighters get “Caught” using steroids in Cali than in Vegas. Perhaps there’s something wrong with the system in either or both places…

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]]> By: Jackyl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45523 Jackyl Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:16:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45523 How exactly do these fighters appeal? What is the possible defense? Is there any chance of these labs producing "false" positives? Has there been any research on whether or not certain combinations of supplements can produce positive results? If anyone has any input on these questions, I'd like to hear it. I've been tossing around these sort of questions since the Sean Sherk controversey. Now that another high profile fighter has tested positive it is bringing them back to light. How exactly do these fighters appeal? What is the possible defense? Is there any chance of these labs producing “false” positives? Has there been any research on whether or not certain combinations of supplements can produce positive results? If anyone has any input on these questions, I’d like to hear it. I’ve been tossing around these sort of questions since the Sean Sherk controversey. Now that another high profile fighter has tested positive it is bringing them back to light.

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]]> By: Calgary MLS http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45486 Calgary MLS Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:55:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45486 Quick, someone get him Sherks cell # Quick, someone get him Sherks cell #

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]]> By: Rise of The Machines http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45445 Rise of The Machines Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:55:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45445 @Fedor Emelianenko banned MMA instructional You could at least act like a rational man and actually say something useful. @Fedor Emelianenko banned MMA instructional

You could at least act like a rational man and actually say something useful.

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]]> By: John http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45438 John Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:22:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45438 Maybe denying the use of steroids is the best course of action when you're caught. Either you admit it or deny it. Your reputation is shattered either way, but perhaps there is less damage if you deny it. Though most people will still think he did steroids, there is still some level of doubt left in the minds of some overly supportive fans. If you admit it, there is no doubt. Some might argue that you get points for honesty, but i think the fighter won't care after being suspended, fined and their reputation permanently damaged. Maybe denying the use of steroids is the best course of action when you’re caught. Either you admit it or deny it. Your reputation is shattered either way, but perhaps there is less damage if you deny it. Though most people will still think he did steroids, there is still some level of doubt left in the minds of some overly supportive fans. If you admit it, there is no doubt.

Some might argue that you get points for honesty, but i think the fighter won’t care after being suspended, fined and their reputation permanently damaged.

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]]> By: jj420 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45437 jj420 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:17:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45437 We need something like monthly tests for these guys or multiple samples going to different certified labs to help clear up whether this new trend of steroid use is actually happening or not. I guess it would be inconvenient for fight organizations once fighters test postive BEFORE the fight and screw up their fight cards, but at least it would leave the taint on the athlete and not the organization. Honestly, if they're testing people once, what's it matter if it happens two or three times? Oh my holy urine! We need something like monthly tests for these guys or multiple samples going to different certified labs to help clear up whether this new trend of steroid use is actually happening or not.

I guess it would be inconvenient for fight organizations once fighters test postive BEFORE the fight and screw up their fight cards, but at least it would leave the taint on the athlete and not the organization.

Honestly, if they’re testing people once, what’s it matter if it happens two or three times?

Oh my holy urine!

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]]> By: jdavis http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45435 jdavis Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:09:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45435 The classic "I didn't take those horse steroids" defense. It's going to be pretty hard for them to prove that two different samples tested at two different labs for a substance that doesn't occur naturally in the human body were both some kind of mistake. The classic “I didn’t take those horse steroids” defense. It’s going to be pretty hard for them to prove that two different samples tested at two different labs for a substance that doesn’t occur naturally in the human body were both some kind of mistake.

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]]> By: Ron Mac http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45434 Ron Mac Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:59:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45434 I hope Edwin Dewees says the same thing "I don't where this 499 ng/mL of Nandrolone came from, seriously" I hope Edwin Dewees says the same thing

“I don’t where this 499 ng/mL of Nandrolone came from, seriously”

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]]> By: OCD http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45427 OCD Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:29:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45427 His only chance is to show there is a chain of custody problem with the sample, that is, it was diverted from the custody of an official somewhere before it reached the lab for testing. You don't accidentally take boldenone. You take it by injection, oral preparations, unless they come from a black market lab, don't exist, and I know of no black market labs that offer oral boldenone. Silva either did it or the sample has a chain of custody problem: it was tainted, replaced with someone elses, or a mistake. His only chance is to show there is a chain of custody problem with the sample, that is, it was diverted from the custody of an official somewhere before it reached the lab for testing.

You don’t accidentally take boldenone. You take it by injection, oral preparations, unless they come from a black market lab, don’t exist, and I know of no black market labs that offer oral boldenone.

Silva either did it or the sample has a chain of custody problem: it was tainted, replaced with someone elses, or a mistake.

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]]> By: Fedor Emelianenko banned MMA instructional http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45421 Fedor Emelianenko banned MMA instructional Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:02:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45421 He could've at least acted like a man and admitted it. He could’ve at least acted like a man and admitted it.

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]]> By: Joseph http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45418 Joseph Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:58:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45418 JacRabbit, You are correct. There is no way that Silva was knowingly taking these type of steroids. Silva is a humble guy and always takes the high road. JacRabbit,

You are correct. There is no way that Silva was knowingly taking these type of steroids. Silva is a humble guy and always takes the high road.

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]]> By: Affliction’s Edwin Dewees & EliteXC HW Champ Antonio Silva Test Positive For Performance Enhancing Drugs (Update) http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45416 Affliction’s Edwin Dewees & EliteXC HW Champ Antonio Silva Test Positive For Performance Enhancing Drugs (Update) Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:57:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45416 [...] CR: Five Oz. for the find [...] [...] CR: Five Oz. for the find [...]

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]]> By: flyingogoplata http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45415 flyingogoplata Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:55:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45415 I just don't get how this alleged "mistake" can happen. I mean the fighter gives his sample and the containers are sealed in front of the fighter and signed. The A sample and B sample get tested at different labs on different equipment. Both samples came back positive for a substance that does not naturally occur in the human body. Silva and his trainers probably just didn't realize that this steroid has a very long half-life and can result in positive tests for over a year after the last usage. I would personally like to see bans of at least 2 years for positive tests...clearly 1 year bans are not sufficient to deter this type of behaviour. Maybe we need to see the Athletic Commissions conduct random testing throughout the year on all fighters licensed to fight. I just don’t get how this alleged “mistake” can happen. I mean the fighter gives his sample and the containers are sealed in front of the fighter and signed. The A sample and B sample get tested at different labs on different equipment. Both samples came back positive for a substance that does not naturally occur in the human body.

Silva and his trainers probably just didn’t realize that this steroid has a very long half-life and can result in positive tests for over a year after the last usage.

I would personally like to see bans of at least 2 years for positive tests…clearly 1 year bans are not sufficient to deter this type of behaviour. Maybe we need to see the Athletic Commissions conduct random testing throughout the year on all fighters licensed to fight.

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]]> By: William W. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45413 William W. Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:54:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45413 Could this be something that popped up in his system as a result of the brain surgery he had a year or so ago? Could this be something that popped up in his system as a result of the brain surgery he had a year or so ago?

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]]> By: JacRabbit http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45411 JacRabbit Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:48:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45411 I really hope this is an error... As someone who occasionally trains down at ATT Miami, I can assure...performance enhancing drugs are greatly frowned upon by the group. I really hope this is an error… As someone who occasionally trains down at ATT Miami, I can assure…performance enhancing drugs are greatly frowned upon by the group.

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]]> By: Evan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/08/21/silva-and-his-manager-respond-to-positive-test-claim/comment-page-1/#comment-45408 Evan Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:31:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5625#comment-45408 "There are no guilty men in prison" “There are no guilty men in prison”

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