Comments on: 5 Oz. Exclusive: The camp for Brett Rogers issues another response to Kimbo Slice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: FD http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47724 FD Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:45:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47724 Sam, you need to unwind just a bit. First off let me say this site is one of only about 3 or 4 I read with any regularity and I think it's great the way you have grown. I understand your desire to want to protect things you work hard on but you also need to understand that FL and 5 ounces are two totally different concepts. I like your site for timely news and some pretty insightful analysis, I like fightlinker because, well, I'm the type of person that laughs and makes a snotty remark when I see a small child fall down at the playground or I see a really fat person wearing spandex. You obviously know the FL guys and should have know someone (likely them) was going to call you on your exclusivity note. It reeked of "screw you guys, I have a new toy and I'm not sharing." Bottom line is you do a great serious NEWS site and should be proud of what you accomplished. PS: If I ever go to fightlinker for serious news, please come to my house and hold my head underwater until I stop struggling ;) Sam, you need to unwind just a bit. First off let me say this site is one of only about 3 or 4 I read with any regularity and I think it’s great the way you have grown. I understand your desire to want to protect things you work hard on but you also need to understand that FL and 5 ounces are two totally different concepts.

I like your site for timely news and some pretty insightful analysis, I like fightlinker because, well, I’m the type of person that laughs and makes a snotty remark when I see a small child fall down at the playground or I see a really fat person wearing spandex.

You obviously know the FL guys and should have know someone (likely them) was going to call you on your exclusivity note. It reeked of “screw you guys, I have a new toy and I’m not sharing.”

Bottom line is you do a great serious NEWS site and should be proud of what you accomplished.

PS: If I ever go to fightlinker for serious news, please come to my house and hold my head underwater until I stop struggling ;)

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]]> By: MMAClubhouse http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47645 MMAClubhouse Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:29:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47645 Sam - as someone who recently graduated from journalism school, I definitely see where you're coming from. Anyway, you broke the story (or got the scoop, whichever you prefer). On the Internet, that's about as good as anyone can hope for. Exclusivity won't ever happen because the copyright laws haven't completely caught up with technology and people are willing to bet you don't have the money to sue even if you could actually pin down exactly who broke your copyright. Sam – as someone who recently graduated from journalism school, I definitely see where you’re coming from. Anyway, you broke the story (or got the scoop, whichever you prefer). On the Internet, that’s about as good as anyone can hope for. Exclusivity won’t ever happen because the copyright laws haven’t completely caught up with technology and people are willing to bet you don’t have the money to sue even if you could actually pin down exactly who broke your copyright.

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]]> By: Michael http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47643 Michael Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:27:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47643 Clearly we disagree, but I appreciate your response, Sam. Like you noted this is your site so you can do whatever you like regarding content, copyright, etc., but I think there is a more tactful way to go about making citation requests and so forth in the future- just my two cents. Try not to let the linker get to you, he does his thing, you do yours, people understand the difference between entertainment and news. Thats why most of us out there visit this site as well as BE, mania, junkie, etc. first, then check out the likes of fightlinker for the lighter side of things. Be easy. Clearly we disagree, but I appreciate your response, Sam. Like you noted this is your site so you can do whatever you like regarding content, copyright, etc., but I think there is a more tactful way to go about making citation requests and so forth in the future- just my two cents. Try not to let the linker get to you, he does his thing, you do yours, people understand the difference between entertainment and news. Thats why most of us out there visit this site as well as BE, mania, junkie, etc. first, then check out the likes of fightlinker for the lighter side of things. Be easy.

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]]> By: Brandon Sanchez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47629 Brandon Sanchez Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:46:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47629 The Alexa Toolbar is known as Spyware, and almost any Anti-Spyware solution you run on your computer properly will flag and ask to remove it. Therefore, many people do not use the Alexa Toolbar, except for people who aren't educated enough about it, and click every pop up they see on their computer. I would have to say, professionally, it's not a good measure of internet traffic, for any site, at any time, as it does not account for a huge majority of internet users. The Alexa Toolbar is known as Spyware, and almost any Anti-Spyware solution you run on your computer properly will flag and ask to remove it. Therefore, many people do not use the Alexa Toolbar, except for people who aren’t educated enough about it, and click every pop up they see on their computer. I would have to say, professionally, it’s not a good measure of internet traffic, for any site, at any time, as it does not account for a huge majority of internet users.

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47609 Sam Caplan Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:21:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47609 Michael, to be honest, I really don't need a lecture from someone telling me what is beneath me. Sorry to disappoint, but I am an opinionated person and I am not afraid to express it. I'm not Brian Williams. We're not covering politics or world affairs, we're covering fighting for crying out loud. I'm not going to be some robot news slave for you. Sorry to break it to you, but there is a real person on the other end of this computer. And it's silly to try and suggest that I not rant because that is how this site got started: by me expressing my opinions. While we do a lot of news now, I'm still going to speak out whether people can handle it or not. And who says I have any sense of importance? Because I expect people to respect my copyright? Are you kidding me? So I guess you're okay with the concept of someone possibly stealing from you? And Michael, thanks for your concern, but our traffic is doing just fine. And MMA-Elite, who is the one with the head up their ass? A FEW more hits than a humor site? Uh, why you do go to Alexa.com and check the rankings? Michael, to be honest, I really don’t need a lecture from someone telling me what is beneath me. Sorry to disappoint, but I am an opinionated person and I am not afraid to express it. I’m not Brian Williams. We’re not covering politics or world affairs, we’re covering fighting for crying out loud.

I’m not going to be some robot news slave for you. Sorry to break it to you, but there is a real person on the other end of this computer. And it’s silly to try and suggest that I not rant because that is how this site got started: by me expressing my opinions. While we do a lot of news now, I’m still going to speak out whether people can handle it or not. And who says I have any sense of importance? Because I expect people to respect my copyright? Are you kidding me? So I guess you’re okay with the concept of someone possibly stealing from you? And Michael, thanks for your concern, but our traffic is doing just fine.

And MMA-Elite, who is the one with the head up their ass? A FEW more hits than a humor site? Uh, why you do go to Alexa.com and check the rankings?

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]]> By: Powers http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47572 Powers Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:07:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47572 But he passes his drug tests? But he passes his drug tests?

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]]> By: Michael http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47567 Michael Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:20:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47567 I must agree with commenter Tertio on this one. Fightlinker indeed never claims or claimed to be a news site. I check out linker for the humorous spin on stories, not the facts and specifics. Ranting on in the comments section about your beef with Harkness in such detail seems well beneath you, Sam, and will only open up another unnecessary can of worms. With respect to your own opinion, I do find it rather pretentious and silly that you made it a point to state that other sites do not have the right to run the statement in its entirety. Yes, that sort of thing should be implied but, as fightlinker has already showed you, other, more ballsy sites will now run the entire statement purely out of spite. I appreciate your work and this website, but l can't help but feel like your original statement as well as your lengthy comment wreak of school yard backtalk and elitism. And that kind of undeserved, inflated sense of importance will not help those precious traffic numbers, Sam. I must agree with commenter Tertio on this one. Fightlinker indeed never claims or claimed to be a news site. I check out linker for the humorous spin on stories, not the facts and specifics. Ranting on in the comments section about your beef with Harkness in such detail seems well beneath you, Sam, and will only open up another unnecessary can of worms. With respect to your own opinion, I do find it rather pretentious and silly that you made it a point to state that other sites do not have the right to run the statement in its entirety. Yes, that sort of thing should be implied but, as fightlinker has already showed you, other, more ballsy sites will now run the entire statement purely out of spite. I appreciate your work and this website, but l can’t help but feel like your original statement as well as your lengthy comment wreak of school yard backtalk and elitism. And that kind of undeserved, inflated sense of importance will not help those precious traffic numbers, Sam.

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]]> By: MMA-Elite.com http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47562 MMA-Elite.com Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:03:06 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47562 Congrats, your blog gets a few more hits than an MMA humour blog. I can see how such a huge accomplishment could make one a little cocky but could you please do us all a favor and get your head out of your ass and stop acting like such a little bitch? Congrats, your blog gets a few more hits than an MMA humour blog. I can see how such a huge accomplishment could make one a little cocky but could you please do us all a favor and get your head out of your ass and stop acting like such a little bitch?

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]]> By: chris shultz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47518 chris shultz Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:20:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47518 Sam, love your site. i have been a fan since day one. Got to call you out on this one though dude, you re sounded a bit whiney. Give it a rest. it's annoying to read your rants about only the negative stuff people say about you or your site. 99% of all who come here are very supportive of your site as well as you and your family endeavors in MMA. Fightlinker is what it is. Its good for the sport and it fills a void many of us enjoy. Don't grip about the small stuff as it only makes you look like a douche. Sam, love your site. i have been a fan since day one. Got to call you out on this one though dude, you re sounded a bit whiney. Give it a rest. it’s annoying to read your rants about only the negative stuff people say about you or your site. 99% of all who come here are very supportive of your site as well as you and your family endeavors in MMA. Fightlinker is what it is. Its good for the sport and it fills a void many of us enjoy. Don’t grip about the small stuff as it only makes you look like a douche.

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47496 darkmetal Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:40:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47496 If this was an attempt to depict Kimbo as a pothead it wasn't done in a very smart way. If you want to let people know your possible opponent is using MJ, then it's best not to sound like you are on it yourself.... If this was an attempt to depict Kimbo as a pothead it wasn’t done in a very smart way. If you want to let people know your possible opponent is using MJ, then it’s best not to sound like you are on it yourself….

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]]> By: Raf http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47494 Raf Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:38:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47494 Sam I think you need some sleep. Fightlinker laughing about you just means they acknowledge you. It's what they do. Sam I think you need some sleep. Fightlinker laughing about you just means they acknowledge you. It’s what they do.

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]]> By: Tertio http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47406 Tertio Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:14:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47406 Fightlinker never had the pretention to be a news site. You dont go to FL to get your MMA news. You go there to have a good laugh and be entertained. They get the job done. Why would they try to be another MMAJUNKIE clone ? Fightlinker never had the pretention to be a news site. You dont go to FL to get your MMA news. You go there to have a good laugh and be entertained.

They get the job done.

Why would they try to be another MMAJUNKIE clone ?

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47392 HexRei Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:08:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47392 <b>Kel wrote: There is no reason to be calling out Kimbo. Rogers should be looking to fight the champion, which Kimbo is not, rather than perpetuate this silly feud.</b> The EXC champion (Bigfoot Silva) just came up positive for steroids and began serving a 1-year suspension- and there's a good chance he'll be stripped of the title in the meantime. Calling him out at this point is a waste of time, but calling out Kimbo? Makes perfect sense. Rogers beating Kimbo would turn him into the new giant scary black man of EXC, and he even has the skills to back up such an image (at least relative to the EXC quality of competition) Kel wrote:
There is no reason to be calling out Kimbo. Rogers should be looking to fight the champion, which Kimbo is not, rather than perpetuate this silly feud.

The EXC champion (Bigfoot Silva) just came up positive for steroids and began serving a 1-year suspension- and there’s a good chance he’ll be stripped of the title in the meantime. Calling him out at this point is a waste of time, but calling out Kimbo? Makes perfect sense. Rogers beating Kimbo would turn him into the new giant scary black man of EXC, and he even has the skills to back up such an image (at least relative to the EXC quality of competition)

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]]> By: Sam Caplan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47389 Sam Caplan Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:56:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47389 LOL. The guy is just jealous that pretty much no one in the industry talks to him. He's never been able to handle the fact that both our sites started at the same time yet we grew a lot faster. There's was a time he used to publicly praise this site and then last December when our Alexa ranking started climbing, he started burying us for things that other sites were doing and claiming he was just calling it like he saw it. If he was being fair and honest, why was he giving other sites a pass? If someone releases an exclusive statement to a media outlet, another outlet doesn't have the right to re-print the entire thing just like it couldn't re-print an entire article or an entire interview. Excerpts are allowed. We run EXCERPTS, not articles in their entirety. A lot of people ran the entire statement without our permission. I politely asked them to amend their posts. Nobody had a problem with that. A lot of writers in this industry don't come from the journalism field and aren't aware what's allowed and what's not. So I explained it. A few said it was unclear whether it was an exclusive statement released to us or a statement released to the media. So this time, I decided to make it clear that the statement was exclusive to us. What, I am supposed to feel bad about his lack of knowledge of basic journalism? I'm supposed to give him hand outs and allow him to print statements released exclusively to us while I am up late at night calling sources when he's getting drunk off his ass and recording it? I'm a bad guy because I'd like other sites to respect my copyright? I work hard to foster relationships within the industry so that I can get exclusive news for the people that read this site. I'm not going to apologize for not sitting on my hands while people steal my work. I'm sick of that guy trying to verbally bully sites and personally attacking fighters and no one speaking out about it. All he does is project negativity and try to bring down others he perceives to be more successful than him. There is such a thing as karma and it's going to come back to him at some point. LOL. The guy is just jealous that pretty much no one in the industry talks to him. He’s never been able to handle the fact that both our sites started at the same time yet we grew a lot faster. There’s was a time he used to publicly praise this site and then last December when our Alexa ranking started climbing, he started burying us for things that other sites were doing and claiming he was just calling it like he saw it. If he was being fair and honest, why was he giving other sites a pass?

If someone releases an exclusive statement to a media outlet, another outlet doesn’t have the right to re-print the entire thing just like it couldn’t re-print an entire article or an entire interview. Excerpts are allowed. We run EXCERPTS, not articles in their entirety. A lot of people ran the entire statement without our permission. I politely asked them to amend their posts. Nobody had a problem with that. A lot of writers in this industry don’t come from the journalism field and aren’t aware what’s allowed and what’s not. So I explained it.

A few said it was unclear whether it was an exclusive statement released to us or a statement released to the media. So this time, I decided to make it clear that the statement was exclusive to us. What, I am supposed to feel bad about his lack of knowledge of basic journalism? I’m supposed to give him hand outs and allow him to print statements released exclusively to us while I am up late at night calling sources when he’s getting drunk off his ass and recording it?

I’m a bad guy because I’d like other sites to respect my copyright? I work hard to foster relationships within the industry so that I can get exclusive news for the people that read this site. I’m not going to apologize for not sitting on my hands while people steal my work. I’m sick of that guy trying to verbally bully sites and personally attacking fighters and no one speaking out about it. All he does is project negativity and try to bring down others he perceives to be more successful than him. There is such a thing as karma and it’s going to come back to him at some point.

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]]> By: micah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47380 micah Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:26:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47380 lol, fightlinker already gave you a fuck you and ripped the whole story. damn their ass holes lol, fightlinker already gave you a fuck you and ripped the whole story. damn their ass holes

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]]> By: Kel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47371 Kel Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:03:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47371 I whole heartedly agree that a Ferguson-Rogers fight is necessary. I understand that EXC is trying to protect their fighter. If you exclude Kimbo's interweb legend (fame, or whatever you want to call it) he only has 3 fights against fighters that may have been good in the past. Rogers has a bit more experience, and is probably a better fighter right now. There is no reason to be calling out Kimbo. Rogers should be looking to fight the champion, which Kimbo is not, rather than perpetuate this silly feud. Between this nonsense and the silly spew from $kala, it ends up making EXC look like TNA style schills. The statement is so ridiculous and contrived, it ends up making the Bison camp look a bit silly. I wonder what would happen if they tested Rogers people? I bet if you took a poll from your hardcore and average fight fans there would be a majority of us that want to see quality fights and less drama. Even the UFC has been moving in that direction (see last season of TUF). I whole heartedly agree that a Ferguson-Rogers fight is necessary. I understand that EXC is trying to protect their fighter. If you exclude Kimbo’s interweb legend (fame, or whatever you want to call it) he only has 3 fights against fighters that may have been good in the past. Rogers has a bit more experience, and is probably a better fighter right now. There is no reason to be calling out Kimbo. Rogers should be looking to fight the champion, which Kimbo is not, rather than perpetuate this silly feud. Between this nonsense and the silly spew from $kala, it ends up making EXC look like TNA style schills. The statement is so ridiculous and contrived, it ends up making the Bison camp look a bit silly. I wonder what would happen if they tested Rogers people?
I bet if you took a poll from your hardcore and average fight fans there would be a majority of us that want to see quality fights and less drama. Even the UFC has been moving in that direction (see last season of TUF).

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]]> By: Jay K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47350 Jay K. Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:13:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47350 Word on the street is that it took them all day to come up with that witty retort. F'king Amazing, Yo! Word on the street is that it took them all day to come up with that witty retort.

F’king Amazing, Yo!

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]]> By: ArmyGuy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47331 ArmyGuy Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:04:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47331 Of course Sam needs to post this. Wouldn't you rather have actual primary source content from the fighters whenever possible? Sam and the five ounce crew provide great analysis - I would argue the best analysis on the web - but I still want to hear from the actual guys in the ring whenever possible. Shit guys - that's good journalism. Just make fun of the dumbass issuing the statement if it sucks... Of course Sam needs to post this. Wouldn’t you rather have actual primary source content from the fighters whenever possible? Sam and the five ounce crew provide great analysis – I would argue the best analysis on the web – but I still want to hear from the actual guys in the ring whenever possible. Shit guys – that’s good journalism. Just make fun of the dumbass issuing the statement if it sucks…

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]]> By: Ryder Die http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47323 Ryder Die Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:34:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47323 Caplan - I think we will have to agree to disagree because what you said earlier didnt make much sense. And since when do you have to respond to a statement made by an ordinary reader like myself. Something must have touched a nerve. And Im not convinced that the first story on B Rogers was what made it crash. At least thats what we are told. Caplan – I think we will have to agree to disagree because what you said earlier didnt make much sense. And since when do you have to respond to a statement made by an ordinary reader like myself. Something must have touched a nerve. And Im not convinced that the first story on B Rogers was what made it crash. At least thats what we are told.

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]]> By: Tim R. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/01/5-oz-exclusive-the-camp-for-brett-rogers-issues-another-response-to-kimbo-slice/comment-page-1/#comment-47319 Tim R. Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:14:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=5996#comment-47319 My thought is that Rogers is saying that for Kimbo to say what he said about Rogers, he must be high. In all truthfulness I think Rogers would beat the crap out of Kimbo. Bas has said many times that he and Kimbo's managers are going to give Kimbo the best possible fights to keep him winning. So even Bas knows that if they would meet at this time in Kimbo's career Kimbo wouldn't stand a chance. My thought is that Rogers is saying that for Kimbo to say what he said about Rogers, he must be high.

In all truthfulness I think Rogers would beat the crap out of Kimbo. Bas has said many times that he and Kimbo’s managers are going to give Kimbo the best possible fights to keep him winning. So even Bas knows that if they would meet at this time in Kimbo’s career Kimbo wouldn’t stand a chance.

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