Comments on: The Changing of the Guard http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:58:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: chucks a schmuck http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-49203 chucks a schmuck Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:52:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-49203 ive been saying retire for the past year chucks washed up and was never that good to begin with ive been saying retire for the past year chucks washed up and was never that good to begin with

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]]> By: Lalo onzalez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-49194 Lalo onzalez Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:42:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-49194 I like Matt Hughes a lot, as well as Rich Franklin... the one who I have a problem with is Chuck Liddell. I have ALWAYS and still think he has been over rated. Had he beaten Evans he still would only have been 2-2 in his last 4 fights. Dana was ready to give him a title shot... Thats garbage in my eyes. Look at who he fought when defending his title... a bunch of grapplers who couldn't stand and strike with him. Thats what he built his legend on. Enter Rampage(a striker) and look what happens. So in part I bid goodluck to Rich and Matt, but Chuck... PLEASE! I like Matt Hughes a lot, as well as Rich Franklin… the one who I have a problem with is Chuck Liddell. I have ALWAYS and still think he has been over rated. Had he beaten Evans he still would only have been 2-2 in his last 4 fights. Dana was ready to give him a title shot… Thats garbage in my eyes. Look at who he fought when defending his title… a bunch of grapplers who couldn’t stand and strike with him. Thats what he built his legend on. Enter Rampage(a striker) and look what happens.

So in part I bid goodluck to Rich and Matt, but Chuck… PLEASE!

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]]> By: islandguy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-49057 islandguy Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:29:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-49057 You are showing your age Nick... You are showing your age Nick…

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48893 Imbecile Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:44:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48893 @ dsid "...just happened to be at the top when the sport took off." Perhaps, but that is the point of Nick labeling it the "Golden Age." They were the faces of the sport when it broke through from a novelty niche into broader success and popularity. It is the personalities of these me, inside and outside the Octagon, that helped drive this sport into the mainsteam. Nobody disputes that there were pioneers previous to the generation of fighters mentioned in the article - nobody. But I see no problem elevating the alumni of the generation that broke through to a mainstream audience to to a special place in the history of MMA. They were the first superstars that of the sport as we know it today. And yes, I too included Couture and Ortiz. That was an agreement with you that they belonged among the same generation as Liddell, Hughes, and Franklin, though I hardly think I would have been at a loss to come up with those names had you not previously contributed them. That's fine if you feel no particular affinity for that generation of fighters. But there is obviously a large segment of the MMA fanbase that agrees with Nick as he waxes nostalgic about the generation that is now falling from their pedestal in MMA. That doesn't take away from fighters previous to them, nor does it detract from the current crop of amazing MMA stars. @ dsid

“…just happened to be at the top when the sport took off.”

Perhaps, but that is the point of Nick labeling it the “Golden Age.” They were the faces of the sport when it broke through from a novelty niche into broader success and popularity. It is the personalities of these me, inside and outside the Octagon, that helped drive this sport into the mainsteam. Nobody disputes that there were pioneers previous to the generation of fighters mentioned in the article – nobody. But I see no problem elevating the alumni of the generation that broke through to a mainstream audience to to a special place in the history of MMA. They were the first superstars that of the sport as we know it today.

And yes, I too included Couture and Ortiz. That was an agreement with you that they belonged among the same generation as Liddell, Hughes, and Franklin, though I hardly think I would have been at a loss to come up with those names had you not previously contributed them.

That’s fine if you feel no particular affinity for that generation of fighters. But there is obviously a large segment of the MMA fanbase that agrees with Nick as he waxes nostalgic about the generation that is now falling from their pedestal in MMA. That doesn’t take away from fighters previous to them, nor does it detract from the current crop of amazing MMA stars.

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]]> By: dsid http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48850 dsid Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:57:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48850 I wasn't trying to prove my own "authenticity as a 'true fan' of the sport". I just disagree with what Nick posted (isn't that what discussion is sometimes for?) The bottom line is that those guys Nick mentions just happened to be on top when the sport took off (and I noticed you added in Couture & Ortiz after I did - you're welcome). That's great for them and I enjoyed - and still enjoy - watching them fight. But to proclaim it a golden age of the sport and to mourn the passing of these guys as if they're icons doesn't make sense. That's all I was saying. I suppose some people will always cling to whatever period was happening when they fell in love with something, but I for one look forward to the sport evolving and to seeing new fighters come along to push the sport forward. Why bemoan Chuck or Hughes being on the downside of their careers when we have guys like Silva, St. Pierre, Penn (again), etc., etc. coming through and making the sport even better? I wasn’t trying to prove my own “authenticity as a ‘true fan’ of the sport”. I just disagree with what Nick posted (isn’t that what discussion is sometimes for?)

The bottom line is that those guys Nick mentions just happened to be on top when the sport took off (and I noticed you added in Couture & Ortiz after I did – you’re welcome). That’s great for them and I enjoyed – and still enjoy – watching them fight. But to proclaim it a golden age of the sport and to mourn the passing of these guys as if they’re icons doesn’t make sense.

That’s all I was saying. I suppose some people will always cling to whatever period was happening when they fell in love with something, but I for one look forward to the sport evolving and to seeing new fighters come along to push the sport forward.

Why bemoan Chuck or Hughes being on the downside of their careers when we have guys like Silva, St. Pierre, Penn (again), etc., etc. coming through and making the sport even better?

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]]> By: Sean http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48846 Sean Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:40:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48846 Great article Nick! MMA is a young sport that continues to evolve and the changing of the guard is proof of that. People will always remember the Liddells, Hughes', and Franklins of the the MMA world the same way football remembers Unitas, Namath, or Bart Starr... All were pioneers, but probably couldn't start for a Division 1 Team today, but will always be remembered as great because the era they played in. Great article Nick! MMA is a young sport that continues to evolve and the changing of the guard is proof of that. People will always remember the Liddells, Hughes’, and Franklins of the the MMA world the same way football remembers Unitas, Namath, or Bart Starr… All were pioneers, but probably couldn’t start for a Division 1 Team today, but will always be remembered as great because the era they played in.

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]]> By: Nate http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48829 Nate Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:51:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48829 nice article. the spirit is right on. If I was more particular, I'd debate the talking points, but I really liked the spirit of the article. nice article. the spirit is right on.
If I was more particular, I’d debate the talking points, but I really liked the spirit of the article.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48819 Imbecile Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:24:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48819 Very nice article Nick, and it sums up the feelings a lot of us have about these former champions in the last couple of years as the sport changes. Those three men, along with Couture and Ortiz, helped define an era, and while still relevant, will probably never be the icons they once were. Pay no attention to that guy "dsid" who posted above. He clearly missed your point in an effort to prove his own authenticity as a "true fan" of the sport. Yes, dsid, we all know the sport had many pioneers before the men metioned in the article, but they were only icons to the select viewing audience that existed before the current boom in American MMA popularity. The men mentioned by Nick in the article were the icons that ushered in the era we all enjoy today, and really were at the top just when this sport needed them to be its standard bearers. It is sad to see them slowly and ignobly fade from being the icons that we all grew to know and love, and there is nothing wrong with recognizing their significant contributions. Thank you for doing so Nick. Very nice article Nick, and it sums up the feelings a lot of us have about these former champions in the last couple of years as the sport changes.

Those three men, along with Couture and Ortiz, helped define an era, and while still relevant, will probably never be the icons they once were.

Pay no attention to that guy “dsid” who posted above. He clearly missed your point in an effort to prove his own authenticity as a “true fan” of the sport. Yes, dsid, we all know the sport had many pioneers before the men metioned in the article, but they were only icons to the select viewing audience that existed before the current boom in American MMA popularity.

The men mentioned by Nick in the article were the icons that ushered in the era we all enjoy today, and really were at the top just when this sport needed them to be its standard bearers. It is sad to see them slowly and ignobly fade from being the icons that we all grew to know and love, and there is nothing wrong with recognizing their significant contributions. Thank you for doing so Nick.

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]]> By: bigSteve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48809 bigSteve Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:15:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48809 although never a huge liddell fan i was shocked and embarassed that he got caught with that punch. hats of to evans but i still say 9 out of 10 times liddell beats his ass. good read. although never a huge liddell fan i was shocked and embarassed that he got caught with that punch. hats of to evans but i still say 9 out of 10 times liddell beats his ass. good read.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/08/the-changing-of-the-guard/comment-page-1/#comment-48798 Sergio Hernandez Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:11:07 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6312#comment-48798 IIRC, UFC 28 was the first event to be sanctioned by the NJASC. Zuffa, of course, took over with UFC 30. IIRC, UFC 28 was the first event to be sanctioned by the NJASC.

Zuffa, of course, took over with UFC 30.

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