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		<title>By: Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Shrug*

If a few of the so-called &quot;fans&quot; of MMA refuse to buy a Fedor/Arlovski card because of some boxing matches being included on it, I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be replaced by boxing fans who learn to appreciate both sports. If MMA&#039;s promoted to the boxing fans, they&#039;ll accept it. If Dana has proven one thing with the way he&#039;s run the UFC, it&#039;s that you can make most people believe anything if you market it well enough.

Personally, I don&#039;t understand why there&#039;s been an increase in negative press towards everything non-UFC on this site and others. More MMA gives more fighters work, and more importantly it gives promoters a motive to not be blatantly corrupt (eg. Dana&#039;s blackballing of certain fighters). It seems to me that every MMA fan benefits if sites such as these report on what&#039;s actually happening in the sport and not waste time on pure speculation which appears more-and-more like biased attempts to plant seeds against the UFC&#039;s competitors. 

Then again, maybe press credentials at UFC events are still dependent on favourable coverage. That&#039;s how it was with Sherdog a few years ago, so it wouldn&#039;t be a stretch to think that things are still that way with MMA-specific sites in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Shrug*</p>
<p>If a few of the so-called &#8220;fans&#8221; of MMA refuse to buy a Fedor/Arlovski card because of some boxing matches being included on it, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be replaced by boxing fans who learn to appreciate both sports. If MMA&#8217;s promoted to the boxing fans, they&#8217;ll accept it. If Dana has proven one thing with the way he&#8217;s run the UFC, it&#8217;s that you can make most people believe anything if you market it well enough.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t understand why there&#8217;s been an increase in negative press towards everything non-UFC on this site and others. More MMA gives more fighters work, and more importantly it gives promoters a motive to not be blatantly corrupt (eg. Dana&#8217;s blackballing of certain fighters). It seems to me that every MMA fan benefits if sites such as these report on what&#8217;s actually happening in the sport and not waste time on pure speculation which appears more-and-more like biased attempts to plant seeds against the UFC&#8217;s competitors. </p>
<p>Then again, maybe press credentials at UFC events are still dependent on favourable coverage. That&#8217;s how it was with Sherdog a few years ago, so it wouldn&#8217;t be a stretch to think that things are still that way with MMA-specific sites in general.</p>
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		<title>By: sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that they&#039;ll be losing my money. I have no interest in boxing at all and I will not pay for a card that features it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that they&#8217;ll be losing my money. I have no interest in boxing at all and I will not pay for a card that features it.</p>
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		<title>By: Imbecile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imbecile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I agree with you on this one.

I think one benefit this partnership allows is that it helps Affliction deal with their pathetically thin roster.  They would have serious trouble at this point filling out even two more fight cards.  This allows them to put their few headliners, mostly heavyweights, on cards that are filled up with boxing matches.

The downside is that with this deal Affliction won&#039;t be the savior for all those looking for an alternative to the UFC.  Adding boxing onto a card immediately takes up a large number of slots for fights that might be shown on PPV.  If you have one or two 12 round boxing matches, you only have room for one or two MMA matches during the course of that PPV.  There just isn&#039;t enough live satellite time for purchase to make more fights available.  That means most of Affliction&#039;s current roster won&#039;t be televised, and it will be reserved for guys like Arlovski and Fedor exclusively.

So that means you will likely get two boxing matches and two MMA matches on a three hour PPV.  There just isn&#039;t time for anything else.  Now, if the boxing main event is big enough, boxing fans are used to not caring as much about the undercard, and paying solely for the main event.  But MMA fans are not going to be too eager to shell out money for only two MMA fights, especially if they could care less about the boxing matches.  And if they intersperse the content, MMA fans will not be too happy at all if you throw in one three round MMA fight that ends with a KO or submission early in the first round, then they have to sit through a 12 round decision in a boxing match just to watch the next MMA showing.

I think you might be able to make this deal profitable for one, single event, if you had a major boxing match headlining, along with say, Fedor vs. Arlovski.  But if you throw a major boxing match at the top of the card, it likely will cost boxing PPV prices.  Are MMA fans willing the pay $59.99 just to watch Fedor vs. Arlovski and a boxing match?  I doubt it.  

It sounds like an interesting idea, but I just don&#039;t see how this is going to work.  It seems like Affliction is grasping at straws trying to come up with ways to make their company relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I agree with you on this one.</p>
<p>I think one benefit this partnership allows is that it helps Affliction deal with their pathetically thin roster.  They would have serious trouble at this point filling out even two more fight cards.  This allows them to put their few headliners, mostly heavyweights, on cards that are filled up with boxing matches.</p>
<p>The downside is that with this deal Affliction won&#8217;t be the savior for all those looking for an alternative to the UFC.  Adding boxing onto a card immediately takes up a large number of slots for fights that might be shown on PPV.  If you have one or two 12 round boxing matches, you only have room for one or two MMA matches during the course of that PPV.  There just isn&#8217;t enough live satellite time for purchase to make more fights available.  That means most of Affliction&#8217;s current roster won&#8217;t be televised, and it will be reserved for guys like Arlovski and Fedor exclusively.</p>
<p>So that means you will likely get two boxing matches and two MMA matches on a three hour PPV.  There just isn&#8217;t time for anything else.  Now, if the boxing main event is big enough, boxing fans are used to not caring as much about the undercard, and paying solely for the main event.  But MMA fans are not going to be too eager to shell out money for only two MMA fights, especially if they could care less about the boxing matches.  And if they intersperse the content, MMA fans will not be too happy at all if you throw in one three round MMA fight that ends with a KO or submission early in the first round, then they have to sit through a 12 round decision in a boxing match just to watch the next MMA showing.</p>
<p>I think you might be able to make this deal profitable for one, single event, if you had a major boxing match headlining, along with say, Fedor vs. Arlovski.  But if you throw a major boxing match at the top of the card, it likely will cost boxing PPV prices.  Are MMA fans willing the pay $59.99 just to watch Fedor vs. Arlovski and a boxing match?  I doubt it.  </p>
<p>It sounds like an interesting idea, but I just don&#8217;t see how this is going to work.  It seems like Affliction is grasping at straws trying to come up with ways to make their company relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: ar0n</title>
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		<dc:creator>ar0n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just dont see how you so called mma pundits dont understand the amount of money this can potentially pour into afflictions production and events.

it all comes down to the dollar, affliction the &quot;T shirt guys&quot; are gonna make t shirts for golden boy, and golden boy, with a relatively large and MUCH LARGER history of producing events is going to help affliction co promote, promote, and cross promote the brand....i dont see how this hurts anything.

of course boxing fans are going to scoff at mma on a card, and vice versa, instead of trying to pick apart why not embrace that another company is trying extremely hard to make its place in the MMA world by bringing us fights that would of never happened had they not come along. how can an injection of  MORE MONEY and more partnerships with an established promoter of a similiar but different genre not gonna help the state of other companies across the board? all of these things do indeed help MMA and all caplan and others do is complain and find reasons to determine it dead in the water before its even begun.

am i wrong or is sam caplan NOT an MMA fan? after reading enough of his blogs im convinced he is an elitest who has proven himself wrong over and over and over. and he will undoubtedly do it again. which is why i continue generally skip over his posts..also im sorry to hear your wife was injured by i am sure glad not to have to see your constant posts about her non existent career in mma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just dont see how you so called mma pundits dont understand the amount of money this can potentially pour into afflictions production and events.</p>
<p>it all comes down to the dollar, affliction the &#8220;T shirt guys&#8221; are gonna make t shirts for golden boy, and golden boy, with a relatively large and MUCH LARGER history of producing events is going to help affliction co promote, promote, and cross promote the brand&#8230;.i dont see how this hurts anything.</p>
<p>of course boxing fans are going to scoff at mma on a card, and vice versa, instead of trying to pick apart why not embrace that another company is trying extremely hard to make its place in the MMA world by bringing us fights that would of never happened had they not come along. how can an injection of  MORE MONEY and more partnerships with an established promoter of a similiar but different genre not gonna help the state of other companies across the board? all of these things do indeed help MMA and all caplan and others do is complain and find reasons to determine it dead in the water before its even begun.</p>
<p>am i wrong or is sam caplan NOT an MMA fan? after reading enough of his blogs im convinced he is an elitest who has proven himself wrong over and over and over. and he will undoubtedly do it again. which is why i continue generally skip over his posts..also im sorry to hear your wife was injured by i am sure glad not to have to see your constant posts about her non existent career in mma.</p>
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		<title>By: warcry</title>
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		<dc:creator>warcry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an audacious ploy.  Affliction is trying its heart out to make a big splash.  Such a  big risk reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an audacious ploy.  Affliction is trying its heart out to make a big splash.  Such a  big risk reward.</p>
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		<title>By: ViciousUppercut</title>
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		<dc:creator>ViciousUppercut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affliction &amp; Golden Boy. Sounds like a gay porno flick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affliction &amp; Golden Boy. Sounds like a gay porno flick</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Stoppage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Stoppage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, or if it&#039;s fought in a YAMMA PIT...I&#039;m buying that,too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, or if it&#8217;s fought in a YAMMA PIT&#8230;I&#8217;m buying that,too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Stoppage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Stoppage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Fedor&#039;s fighting,I&#039;m buying it.
If not,then...welll.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Fedor&#8217;s fighting,I&#8217;m buying it.<br />
If not,then&#8230;welll&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: jdavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This announcement wasn&#039;t a new partner for Affliction it was a deal to co-promote 4 PPVs with Golden Boy. They didn&#039;t say anything at all about Golden Boy actually becoming a MMA promoter or a business partner through this deal just that they were going to put boxing on Affliction PPVs. If Golden Boy was wanting to move into MMA then they would of bought into Affliction and gotten into actually promoting MMA not going 50/50 on a handful of ppvs where they supply the boxers and Affliction provides Mixed Martial Artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This announcement wasn&#8217;t a new partner for Affliction it was a deal to co-promote 4 PPVs with Golden Boy. They didn&#8217;t say anything at all about Golden Boy actually becoming a MMA promoter or a business partner through this deal just that they were going to put boxing on Affliction PPVs. If Golden Boy was wanting to move into MMA then they would of bought into Affliction and gotten into actually promoting MMA not going 50/50 on a handful of ppvs where they supply the boxers and Affliction provides Mixed Martial Artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Cason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Cason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people(no offense) would stop speculating and someone actually get dumbass T-shirt guy or Big Wig Trump or Golden Panty-Hose Boy or somebody like that to come out and explain why their pulling out leg and stop the bullshitting.  I mean do all of these morons think we are all mindless fans who dont know that UFC is dominating the market with no end in sight and that we dont know that the T-Shirt company is only bring in people who have deep pockets with no buisness in the sport of mma, just throwing money around isnt going to fix anything.  Why dont they just be clear about what they are trying to say and what their intentions are.
I&#039;m sure everyone here (everyone here being an expert and all) know that the UFC was something like 43 million in the hole before they found the right formula with the Ultimate Fighter series and the marketing of several established fighters and trying to expand to new global arena&#039;s all the while doing everything they can to further to sport and make it better.  I mean MMA wouldn&#039;t even be legal right now if the UFC hadn&#039;t done the necessary things to make mma legal and no longer looked at as a combat sport filled wilth death and human cockfighting and brutality and barbarinisim.

Stop pulling our legs.  If you want our respect and you want us a fans, then do the right thing, make the best moves possible, make us happy, and dont make the mistake of making it all about the money right away while lying and saying your all about the fighter and making them happy.
Affliction&#039;s mma ground breaking announcement=B.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people(no offense) would stop speculating and someone actually get dumbass T-shirt guy or Big Wig Trump or Golden Panty-Hose Boy or somebody like that to come out and explain why their pulling out leg and stop the bullshitting.  I mean do all of these morons think we are all mindless fans who dont know that UFC is dominating the market with no end in sight and that we dont know that the T-Shirt company is only bring in people who have deep pockets with no buisness in the sport of mma, just throwing money around isnt going to fix anything.  Why dont they just be clear about what they are trying to say and what their intentions are.<br />
I&#8217;m sure everyone here (everyone here being an expert and all) know that the UFC was something like 43 million in the hole before they found the right formula with the Ultimate Fighter series and the marketing of several established fighters and trying to expand to new global arena&#8217;s all the while doing everything they can to further to sport and make it better.  I mean MMA wouldn&#8217;t even be legal right now if the UFC hadn&#8217;t done the necessary things to make mma legal and no longer looked at as a combat sport filled wilth death and human cockfighting and brutality and barbarinisim.</p>
<p>Stop pulling our legs.  If you want our respect and you want us a fans, then do the right thing, make the best moves possible, make us happy, and dont make the mistake of making it all about the money right away while lying and saying your all about the fighter and making them happy.<br />
Affliction&#8217;s mma ground breaking announcement=B.S.</p>
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		<title>By: nikoMMA</title>
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		<dc:creator>nikoMMA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam , i don&#039;t think affliction is making a lot of money promoting , they lose a lot of money in the first fight  and they know its not gonna work, with UFC around and no Randy ? .Affliction was interesting for the Fedor vs Randy fight and this is not gonna happen. This is a great move for them , they are gonna still be in business ,Golden Boy is gonna be promoting and maybe in the future works.

I think this is being taken the wrong way;its not a move from Affliction ,its a move from Golden Boy trying to enter in the MMA world and that&#039;s a huge announcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam , i don&#8217;t think affliction is making a lot of money promoting , they lose a lot of money in the first fight  and they know its not gonna work, with UFC around and no Randy ? .Affliction was interesting for the Fedor vs Randy fight and this is not gonna happen. This is a great move for them , they are gonna still be in business ,Golden Boy is gonna be promoting and maybe in the future works.</p>
<p>I think this is being taken the wrong way;its not a move from Affliction ,its a move from Golden Boy trying to enter in the MMA world and that&#8217;s a huge announcement.</p>
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		<title>By: jdavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN was reporting that Golden Boy offered HBO to put Arlovski vs Barnett on the Oct. 18 Pavlik-Hopkins card but HBO declined. I wonder if that was the &quot;big&quot; industry changing announcement they were hoping to make? HBO doesn&#039;t seem to have any interest at all in MMA and HBO has really started to crack down on their out of control spending for sports, particularly boxing (which is why their main announcers weren&#039;t at Marquez vs Casamayor). I can&#039;t imagine Golden Boy booking a big name boxing draw without HBO footing the bill, they are used to HBO paying a licensing fee and paying for the advertising and the ppv production cost, to book a big draw on a Affliction show they are going to have to front all that money themselves(Affliction can&#039;t do it). To sell a boxing ppv you have to have a big name draw, being a mixed card isn&#039;t going to sell it and the Golden Boy name brand isn&#039;t going to sell it(and we already know Affliction can&#039;t sell big on it&#039;s brand name or &quot;stars&quot;). It really seems like this whole thing will hinge on whether HBO decides to get involved or not, if HBO picks up the tab for a big boxing draw they might do ok but without that I don&#039;t see them picking up much interest from MMA or boxing fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESPN was reporting that Golden Boy offered HBO to put Arlovski vs Barnett on the Oct. 18 Pavlik-Hopkins card but HBO declined. I wonder if that was the &#8220;big&#8221; industry changing announcement they were hoping to make? HBO doesn&#8217;t seem to have any interest at all in MMA and HBO has really started to crack down on their out of control spending for sports, particularly boxing (which is why their main announcers weren&#8217;t at Marquez vs Casamayor). I can&#8217;t imagine Golden Boy booking a big name boxing draw without HBO footing the bill, they are used to HBO paying a licensing fee and paying for the advertising and the ppv production cost, to book a big draw on a Affliction show they are going to have to front all that money themselves(Affliction can&#8217;t do it). To sell a boxing ppv you have to have a big name draw, being a mixed card isn&#8217;t going to sell it and the Golden Boy name brand isn&#8217;t going to sell it(and we already know Affliction can&#8217;t sell big on it&#8217;s brand name or &#8220;stars&#8221;). It really seems like this whole thing will hinge on whether HBO decides to get involved or not, if HBO picks up the tab for a big boxing draw they might do ok but without that I don&#8217;t see them picking up much interest from MMA or boxing fans.</p>
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		<title>By: el boxeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>el boxeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hbo will eventually come around.. just wait and see.... HBO is GBP back pocket... especially if oscar decides to keep fighting (which it looks like it will be two more past pacquio) then if gbp wants to really get mma onto HBO they will...

I honestly think that this move is DLH looking for viable opportunites after his fighting career is over... they may not be super involved until DLH finally decides to retire... then if you think about it GBP would have lost a huge money maker (DLH fighting career) and have to replace that with a sport that can be a great money maker and rising in popularty (MMA)... this is a great move for GBP as company if they are able to use HBO as a vehcile to make money selling fights either mma or boxing..

last night HBO only distributed the PPV and didnt have their anouncers for the marquez v. casamayor PPV... (they had Mario &quot;A.C. Slater&quot; as a anouncer for gods sake) but mabye that will be the route that GBP takes with regards to Affliction PPV in the future... HBO doesnt have to be fully on board but they can distribute the PPV while Affliction and GBP pay the rest...  that seems like a more successful way to make money doing PPV

plus GBP probally has equal or better marketing resources than the ufc... they have huge sponsors that are on DLH nut sack..

great move for affliction and smart on their part to realize that they probally wouldnt have made it under the present circumstances and needed to think out of the box to SURVIVE.... (take notes Elite XC)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hbo will eventually come around.. just wait and see&#8230;. HBO is GBP back pocket&#8230; especially if oscar decides to keep fighting (which it looks like it will be two more past pacquio) then if gbp wants to really get mma onto HBO they will&#8230;</p>
<p>I honestly think that this move is DLH looking for viable opportunites after his fighting career is over&#8230; they may not be super involved until DLH finally decides to retire&#8230; then if you think about it GBP would have lost a huge money maker (DLH fighting career) and have to replace that with a sport that can be a great money maker and rising in popularty (MMA)&#8230; this is a great move for GBP as company if they are able to use HBO as a vehcile to make money selling fights either mma or boxing..</p>
<p>last night HBO only distributed the PPV and didnt have their anouncers for the marquez v. casamayor PPV&#8230; (they had Mario &#8220;A.C. Slater&#8221; as a anouncer for gods sake) but mabye that will be the route that GBP takes with regards to Affliction PPV in the future&#8230; HBO doesnt have to be fully on board but they can distribute the PPV while Affliction and GBP pay the rest&#8230;  that seems like a more successful way to make money doing PPV</p>
<p>plus GBP probally has equal or better marketing resources than the ufc&#8230; they have huge sponsors that are on DLH nut sack..</p>
<p>great move for affliction and smart on their part to realize that they probally wouldnt have made it under the present circumstances and needed to think out of the box to SURVIVE&#8230;. (take notes Elite XC)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trump is a brand. affliction pays trump to bask in his equity and do some photo ops and promo for them. sam caplan could give trump half a million and he&#039;d be singing his praises too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trump is a brand. affliction pays trump to bask in his equity and do some photo ops and promo for them. sam caplan could give trump half a million and he&#8217;d be singing his praises too.</p>
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		<title>By: skwirrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skwirrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the most un-boxing-educated MMA fans love a standup war.  Vazquez Marquez 4 ---  Cotto vs whomever ---  Margarito vs Whomever ---  THERE ARE LOTS OF FIGHTS AFFLICTION BOY CAN MAKE THAT WILL SELL.  MMA fans don&#039;t like boxing, but they are always there for a good old brawl.  Which is why most like MMA, it ain&#039;t for the submission grappling for the Rasslin fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the most un-boxing-educated MMA fans love a standup war.  Vazquez Marquez 4 &#8212;  Cotto vs whomever &#8212;  Margarito vs Whomever &#8212;  THERE ARE LOTS OF FIGHTS AFFLICTION BOY CAN MAKE THAT WILL SELL.  MMA fans don&#8217;t like boxing, but they are always there for a good old brawl.  Which is why most like MMA, it ain&#8217;t for the submission grappling for the Rasslin fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Cannon J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannon J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve already lost millions on the promotion side.  Evidently, they don&#039;t want to completely abandon the promotional aspect, so they strike a deal with Golden Boy.  They can minimize their cost exposure promoting events while gaining a merchandising edge.  Golden Boy gains a merchandising component, and gets some low risk exposure to MMA.  This is far from a saving grace for Affliction, but it helps them stay alive.  They can also show investors that the clothing can potentially yield X amount of dollars through this deal.

HBO throwing cold water on the deal by refusing to run MMA is a terrible sign.  The long-term outlook isn&#039;t all that good at this point, but I do think that Affliction getting back to its core business is a fairly smart move.  As I said, this looks like a really low risk proposition for Golden Boy, also.  If they could have gotten HBO on board when these two entities initially hooked up, I think they could have made some waves in the MMA business.  As it is, this clothing aspect is a small positive among a sea of mistakes.  This quite obviously wasn&#039;t industry changing news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve already lost millions on the promotion side.  Evidently, they don&#8217;t want to completely abandon the promotional aspect, so they strike a deal with Golden Boy.  They can minimize their cost exposure promoting events while gaining a merchandising edge.  Golden Boy gains a merchandising component, and gets some low risk exposure to MMA.  This is far from a saving grace for Affliction, but it helps them stay alive.  They can also show investors that the clothing can potentially yield X amount of dollars through this deal.</p>
<p>HBO throwing cold water on the deal by refusing to run MMA is a terrible sign.  The long-term outlook isn&#8217;t all that good at this point, but I do think that Affliction getting back to its core business is a fairly smart move.  As I said, this looks like a really low risk proposition for Golden Boy, also.  If they could have gotten HBO on board when these two entities initially hooked up, I think they could have made some waves in the MMA business.  As it is, this clothing aspect is a small positive among a sea of mistakes.  This quite obviously wasn&#8217;t industry changing news.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The toy deal was a more important announcement than this.  

This is more like a way to save money as the ship crashes.  The initial structure of this company was built on the premise that the first show would do a 2.5 mill sellout gate and 250-300,000 buys, and it would grow from there.  It&#039;s strongly rumored that Arlovski&#039;s salary is actually not flat, and increases each show.  This shows how unrealistic their expectations were.  They didn&#039;t come close to their expectations, and the numbers just don&#039;t work, so now they are attempting to minimize losses.  Even if they get Tito Ortiz and do Fedor/Tito, which is the biggest money match they can do right now, you will still have roster costs of 5-6 million.  

HBO is not going to air joint shows.  It makes no sense for them on a million levels, it won&#039;t happen.  

The MMA lesson of this year is that without regular television infrastructure, wise fiscal decisions, and more than 1 or 2 stars, you just can&#039;t compete with the UFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The toy deal was a more important announcement than this.  </p>
<p>This is more like a way to save money as the ship crashes.  The initial structure of this company was built on the premise that the first show would do a 2.5 mill sellout gate and 250-300,000 buys, and it would grow from there.  It&#8217;s strongly rumored that Arlovski&#8217;s salary is actually not flat, and increases each show.  This shows how unrealistic their expectations were.  They didn&#8217;t come close to their expectations, and the numbers just don&#8217;t work, so now they are attempting to minimize losses.  Even if they get Tito Ortiz and do Fedor/Tito, which is the biggest money match they can do right now, you will still have roster costs of 5-6 million.  </p>
<p>HBO is not going to air joint shows.  It makes no sense for them on a million levels, it won&#8217;t happen.  </p>
<p>The MMA lesson of this year is that without regular television infrastructure, wise fiscal decisions, and more than 1 or 2 stars, you just can&#8217;t compete with the UFC.</p>
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		<title>By: tricky dicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>tricky dicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, I don&#039;t recall seeing grandiose pontifications everytime Dana white talks about major announcements..</description>
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		<title>By: Sam Caplan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Caplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Niko: The deal certainly has merchandise potential but did Affliction really need to agree to partner with Golden Boy in order to get licensing rights? Affliction has done a tremendous job becoming a hip fashion style with males 18-34. Why wouldn&#039;t Golden Boy not want to work a merchandise deal that was stand alone from the MMA promotion? What I am saying is, if Affliction values working with Golden Boy in a merchandising capacity, do they really need to lose millions on an MMA promotion in order to be able to get that deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niko: The deal certainly has merchandise potential but did Affliction really need to agree to partner with Golden Boy in order to get licensing rights? Affliction has done a tremendous job becoming a hip fashion style with males 18-34. Why wouldn&#8217;t Golden Boy not want to work a merchandise deal that was stand alone from the MMA promotion? What I am saying is, if Affliction values working with Golden Boy in a merchandising capacity, do they really need to lose millions on an MMA promotion in order to be able to get that deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to buy Affliction 2 in October and Invite a couple of my friend&#039;s to come and watch the PPV. It was going to be the first non UFC ppv I was going to buy but then they cancelled the event. 

 Know they want to add boxing??????????  I was a huge WWE wrestling fan back in the day but never really a boxing fan. I told my friends about this announcement and they told me never in there life are they ever going to pay for boxing. I guess that is not a very good sign if casual fans won&#039;t get into it.  Maybe I&#039;m guessing wrong but Dana White seems to be half right. A sad day for MMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to buy Affliction 2 in October and Invite a couple of my friend&#8217;s to come and watch the PPV. It was going to be the first non UFC ppv I was going to buy but then they cancelled the event. </p>
<p> Know they want to add boxing??????????  I was a huge WWE wrestling fan back in the day but never really a boxing fan. I told my friends about this announcement and they told me never in there life are they ever going to pay for boxing. I guess that is not a very good sign if casual fans won&#8217;t get into it.  Maybe I&#8217;m guessing wrong but Dana White seems to be half right. A sad day for MMA.</p>
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