Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:00:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50306 Sergio Hernandez Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:05:50 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50306 Well said, Hex. Well said, Hex.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50294 HexRei Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:49:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50294 <b>Junkie: FALSE*. Yup, that’s an asterisk — and for good reason. As we know, Burns was repeatedly warned about his open-hand strikes and the potential for eye pokes — and it appeared to be an eye poke that put Johnson out for good. Unfortunately, the referee didn’t see it, so Burns was issued a TKO victory. Was it fair? Absolutely not. (Nor, do I believe was it intentional on Burns’ part.) However, given the NSAC’s current rules, a fight can be overturned for one of only three reasons: collusion (fixing a fight), errors when tabulating judges’ scoring decisions and the referee’s misinterpretation of a rule.</b> <b>Junkie is wrong</b>. Obviously, the NSAC can overturn fights for other reasons than the three listed above. They had no problem overturning Nick Diaz' fight over a positive marijuana test, despite the fact that many fighters in the past have been allowed to keep their wins despite testing positive for not only drugs of abuse, but drugs that are in fact performance enhancers (Josh Barnett holds a win over Randy Couture despite testing positive for steroids). Why does the NSAC sometimes let a fighter keep a win despite having used steroids or actual painkillers, while overturning a win for a fighter who uses marijuana (which is actually not a pain blocker?) and ignoring the pleadings of a fighter who lost due to several on-tape illegal strikes? Please. The NSAC is practically an ungoverned body. Seriously, who is going to reprimand them over these decisions, the state government? Wake up. They do what they want for the reasons they want to. They didn't feel like helping out Anthony Johnson, so they didn't. They didn't like Nick Diaz' punkass attitude, so they doled out a punishment to him worse than any ever seen for his violation in the history of NSAC sanctions. The problem is they are an oligarchy with no oversight. Well-meaning? Perhaps sometimes, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Junkie: FALSE*. Yup, that’s an asterisk — and for good reason. As we know, Burns was repeatedly warned about his open-hand strikes and the potential for eye pokes — and it appeared to be an eye poke that put Johnson out for good. Unfortunately, the referee didn’t see it, so Burns was issued a TKO victory. Was it fair? Absolutely not. (Nor, do I believe was it intentional on Burns’ part.) However, given the NSAC’s current rules, a fight can be overturned for one of only three reasons: collusion (fixing a fight), errors when tabulating judges’ scoring decisions and the referee’s misinterpretation of a rule.

Junkie is wrong. Obviously, the NSAC can overturn fights for other reasons than the three listed above. They had no problem overturning Nick Diaz’ fight over a positive marijuana test, despite the fact that many fighters in the past have been allowed to keep their wins despite testing positive for not only drugs of abuse, but drugs that are in fact performance enhancers (Josh Barnett holds a win over Randy Couture despite testing positive for steroids).

Why does the NSAC sometimes let a fighter keep a win despite having used steroids or actual painkillers, while overturning a win for a fighter who uses marijuana (which is actually not a pain blocker?) and ignoring the pleadings of a fighter who lost due to several on-tape illegal strikes?

Please. The NSAC is practically an ungoverned body. Seriously, who is going to reprimand them over these decisions, the state government? Wake up. They do what they want for the reasons they want to. They didn’t feel like helping out Anthony Johnson, so they didn’t. They didn’t like Nick Diaz’ punkass attitude, so they doled out a punishment to him worse than any ever seen for his violation in the history of NSAC sanctions. The problem is they are an oligarchy with no oversight. Well-meaning? Perhaps sometimes, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Scott White Duels Two Bloggers! » TKO Xtreme http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50267 Scott White Duels Two Bloggers! » TKO Xtreme Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:40:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50267 [...] If you’re like me, you think Scott White is a pretty great guy and his insight into MMA in this country is pretty much unmatched.  But there are some things that Scott doesn’t do well, and one of those things is blowing his own horn.  So, unless you’re an obsessive reader of every MMA blog known to humans - like I am - you may not know that Scott got down and dirty with not one but two bloggers, taking on Dann Stupp and Mike Huckaby in 5 Ounces of Pain’s regular feature, The Duel. [...] [...] If you’re like me, you think Scott White is a pretty great guy and his insight into MMA in this country is pretty much unmatched.  But there are some things that Scott doesn’t do well, and one of those things is blowing his own horn.  So, unless you’re an obsessive reader of every MMA blog known to humans – like I am – you may not know that Scott got down and dirty with not one but two bloggers, taking on Dann Stupp and Mike Huckaby in 5 Ounces of Pain’s regular feature, The Duel. [...]

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50263 skwirrl Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:34:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50263 ^Exactamundo. I thought Kang was gonna tear him up on the ground and he was doing it... But he got cocky and Mousasi certainly does have enough Jiu Jitsu to sub people that leave an opening that bad. ^Exactamundo. I thought Kang was gonna tear him up on the ground and he was doing it… But he got cocky and Mousasi certainly does have enough Jiu Jitsu to sub people that leave an opening that bad.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50261 Michael Huckaby Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:00:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50261 I'm still wondering why Mousasi is ranked like 10th at mmaweekly and not ranked other places when he should easily be in the top 5. He's like 22-2 with a 3 minute win over Denis Kang. Give the man some respect. I’m still wondering why Mousasi is ranked like 10th at mmaweekly and not ranked other places when he should easily be in the top 5. He’s like 22-2 with a 3 minute win over Denis Kang. Give the man some respect.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50260 skwirrl Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:41:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50260 HexRai - didn't proof read it before I posted. I meant to use a comma earlier and period later. It should read If you wanna keep, ***WWWAAAAAHHHHHH***, crying about watching some, (if Golden Boy does their job right and puts action fights on the card), damn good boxing, well thats too bad. Any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it. (this is because many MMA fans that have converted from pro wrestling, in my experience, typically hate boxing. Most likely because some tactical fights are too slow for their short attention spans) HexRai – didn’t proof read it before I posted. I meant to use a comma earlier and period later. It should read

If you wanna keep, ***WWWAAAAAHHHHHH***, crying about watching some, (if Golden Boy does their job right and puts action fights on the card), damn good boxing, well thats too bad. Any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it.

(this is because many MMA fans that have converted from pro wrestling, in my experience, typically hate boxing. Most likely because some tactical fights are too slow for their short attention spans)

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50259 skwirrl Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:37:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50259 oops forgot they are hoping for a CC vs AA NYE heavyweight championship fight oops forgot they are hoping for a CC vs AA NYE heavyweight championship fight

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50258 HexRei Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:36:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50258 <b>skwirrl on September 19th, 2008 3:16 pm Well thats too bad, any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it. </b> That statement made no sense at all. skwirrl on September 19th, 2008 3:16 pm

Well thats too bad, any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it.

That statement made no sense at all.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50257 skwirrl Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:34:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50257 Not to bust on you guys Good duel and I gotta say I go with Huckaby on DREAM 6 - Because despite the fact that DREAM 5 offered some of the best LW matchups in a longggg long time, I'm actually pretty damn excited for the MW tourney too. Mousasi might be the only ranked MW but you're out of your mind if you don't think Jacare or Manhoef couldn't beat plenty of the folks at 185. I'd love to see Manhoef vs A. Silva and would put my money on the Vegas underdog for sure - Via KO. Mousasi would be wise to get this fight to the ground and work his competant JJ if he can. Jacare is a pretty skilled wrestler to go along with his JJ mastery so I see him taking down Zelg and giving him a lesson on the ground. Mayhem who is quite skilled looked thourghly outclassed down there and Zelg will tap quickly IMO - Then you're set for a HELL of a matchup either way you slice it. Mousasi or Manhoef vs Jacare??? Standup dominant vs ground dominant - this is a styles-make-fights dream fight. Everything after that is also awesome though. Crocop over Overeem by brutality - pissing off the hibernating bear may be a very bad choice made by Alistair... Then Kharitonov vs Mighty Mo - Seriously am I the only person actually excited to see how Sergei does after his time off? (Also to see if he comes in to the fight in shape again) Also just talking theoretically, wouldn't this make an Arlovski vs Kharitonov russian superfight possibly for NYE, since Affliction is not about exclusivity and his fight against Barnett could well be off and he's not guaranteed to fight Fedor? I'm STOKED for the DREAM 6 card - counting the days Not to bust on you guys

Good duel and I gotta say I go with Huckaby on DREAM 6 – Because despite the fact that DREAM 5 offered some of the best LW matchups in a longggg long time, I’m actually pretty damn excited for the MW tourney too. Mousasi might be the only ranked MW but you’re out of your mind if you don’t think Jacare or Manhoef couldn’t beat plenty of the folks at 185. I’d love to see Manhoef vs A. Silva and would put my money on the Vegas underdog for sure – Via KO. Mousasi would be wise to get this fight to the ground and work his competant JJ if he can. Jacare is a pretty skilled wrestler to go along with his JJ mastery so I see him taking down Zelg and giving him a lesson on the ground.

Mayhem who is quite skilled looked thourghly outclassed down there and Zelg will tap quickly IMO – Then you’re set for a HELL of a matchup either way you slice it. Mousasi or Manhoef vs Jacare??? Standup dominant vs ground dominant – this is a styles-make-fights dream fight.

Everything after that is also awesome though. Crocop over Overeem by brutality – pissing off the hibernating bear may be a very bad choice made by Alistair… Then Kharitonov vs Mighty Mo – Seriously am I the only person actually excited to see how Sergei does after his time off? (Also to see if he comes in to the fight in shape again) Also just talking theoretically, wouldn’t this make an Arlovski vs Kharitonov russian superfight possibly for NYE, since Affliction is not about exclusivity and his fight against Barnett could well be off and he’s not guaranteed to fight Fedor?

I’m STOKED for the DREAM 6 card – counting the days

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/19/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-20/comment-page-1/#comment-50254 skwirrl Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:16:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=6790#comment-50254 Boxing PPV's sell more than any MMA PPV except UFC. So really - They will bring in more viewers. If you wanna keep ***WWWAAAAAHHHHHH*** Crying about watching some, (if Golden Boy does their job right and puts action fights on the card), damn good boxing. Well thats too bad, any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it. But their opinion doesn't really matter that much. Real Hardcores will watch - which is Afflictions base anyways, and real boxing fans will schell out for Boxing, because its business as usual. It keeps costs down for both companies and should be good if they pull it off right. Keep crying butt-hurt wrestling fans turned MMA bandwagon jumpers. Boxing PPV’s sell more than any MMA PPV except UFC. So really – They will bring in more viewers. If you wanna keep ***WWWAAAAAHHHHHH*** Crying about watching some, (if Golden Boy does their job right and puts action fights on the card), damn good boxing. Well thats too bad, any MMA fan that got into the sport and was previously based solely in the WWF world may hate it. But their opinion doesn’t really matter that much. Real Hardcores will watch – which is Afflictions base anyways, and real boxing fans will schell out for Boxing, because its business as usual. It keeps costs down for both companies and should be good if they pull it off right. Keep crying butt-hurt wrestling fans turned MMA bandwagon jumpers.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]>