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	<title>Comments on: K.J. Noons stripped of EliteXC lightweight title</title>
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		<title>By: slow17motion</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/20/kj-noons-stripped-of-elitexc-lightweight-title/comment-page-1/#comment-58076</link>
		<dc:creator>slow17motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently, you missed the word &quot;if&quot; in my last comment, botard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, you missed the word &#8220;if&#8221; in my last comment, botard.
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/20/kj-noons-stripped-of-elitexc-lightweight-title/comment-page-1/#comment-50756</link>
		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slow17motion wrote:

&lt;b&gt;Noons’s father was being antagonized (where did you get drunk from, he sounded pretty coherent after the fight). And, erm, it was Diaz’s camp that came down there in the first place (I love how people even love to blame KJ too, who was clearly doing nothing to make the situation worse).&lt;/b&gt; 
I love this. Your fanboyishness is almost amusing. You are seriously excusing KJ&#039;s dad FOR ATTACKING SOMEONE because he was being &quot;antagonized&quot;? You&#039;re the worst kind of apologist. EXC arranged the face to face confrontation, drunk dad started swinging like a moron. He should have been arrested- lucky the Diaz brothers don&#039;t like to get the cops involved.

&lt;b&gt;Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight. And a cut decision is what it is. If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that’s part of a fighter’s weaknesses. Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut. Are you insane? Noons won, quit your bellyaching.&lt;/b&gt;

Yeah, and EXC asked him to give Diaz a rematch (OH TEH NOES!!!! UNHEARD OF! CERTAINLY THE UFC HAS NEVER HAD TWO FIGHTERS FACE EACH OTHER MORE THAN ONCE!) face it, your boy is a little bitch who was afraid of fighting Diaz again, and now he&#039;s a little bitch without a career. Maybe you should fly out to Hawaii and give him the blowjob you so clearly want to, I bet he could use it right about now.

&lt;b&gt;Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite’s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo. Are you kidding? If he was third, he’d be a DISTANT third. Nobody I know says, “I’ve GOTTA tune into showtime. NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING! OMFG!”&lt;/b&gt;

So first you claim he&#039;s not the third biggest draw, but don&#039;t list who feel above him, then go on to basically agree with me. Ok, I&#039;m glad we both know Diaz is the third biggest draw. 

Good times man, thanks for proving me totally right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slow17motion wrote:</p>
<p><b>Noons’s father was being antagonized (where did you get drunk from, he sounded pretty coherent after the fight). And, erm, it was Diaz’s camp that came down there in the first place (I love how people even love to blame KJ too, who was clearly doing nothing to make the situation worse).</b><br />
I love this. Your fanboyishness is almost amusing. You are seriously excusing KJ&#8217;s dad FOR ATTACKING SOMEONE because he was being &#8220;antagonized&#8221;? You&#8217;re the worst kind of apologist. EXC arranged the face to face confrontation, drunk dad started swinging like a moron. He should have been arrested- lucky the Diaz brothers don&#8217;t like to get the cops involved.</p>
<p><b>Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight. And a cut decision is what it is. If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that’s part of a fighter’s weaknesses. Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut. Are you insane? Noons won, quit your bellyaching.</b></p>
<p>Yeah, and EXC asked him to give Diaz a rematch (OH TEH NOES!!!! UNHEARD OF! CERTAINLY THE UFC HAS NEVER HAD TWO FIGHTERS FACE EACH OTHER MORE THAN ONCE!) face it, your boy is a little bitch who was afraid of fighting Diaz again, and now he&#8217;s a little bitch without a career. Maybe you should fly out to Hawaii and give him the blowjob you so clearly want to, I bet he could use it right about now.</p>
<p><b>Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite’s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo. Are you kidding? If he was third, he’d be a DISTANT third. Nobody I know says, “I’ve GOTTA tune into showtime. NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING! OMFG!”</b></p>
<p>So first you claim he&#8217;s not the third biggest draw, but don&#8217;t list who feel above him, then go on to basically agree with me. Ok, I&#8217;m glad we both know Diaz is the third biggest draw. </p>
<p>Good times man, thanks for proving me totally right.
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		<title>By: egad81</title>
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		<dc:creator>egad81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ is a BITCH!
NUFF SAID</description>
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NUFF SAID
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		<title>By: slow17motion</title>
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		<dc:creator>slow17motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noons&#039;s father was being antagonized (where did you get drunk from, he sounded pretty coherent after the fight).  And, erm, it was Diaz&#039;s camp that came down there in the first place (I love how people even love to blame KJ too, who was clearly doing nothing to make the situation worse).

Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight.  And a cut decision is what it is.  If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that&#039;s part of a fighter&#039;s weaknesses.  Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut.  Are you insane?  Noons won, quit your bellyaching.

Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite&#039;s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo.  Are you kidding?  If he was third, he&#039;d be a DISTANT third.  Nobody I know says, &quot;I&#039;ve GOTTA tune into showtime.  NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING!  OMFG!&quot;

Give it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noons&#8217;s father was being antagonized (where did you get drunk from, he sounded pretty coherent after the fight).  And, erm, it was Diaz&#8217;s camp that came down there in the first place (I love how people even love to blame KJ too, who was clearly doing nothing to make the situation worse).</p>
<p>Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight.  And a cut decision is what it is.  If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that&#8217;s part of a fighter&#8217;s weaknesses.  Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut.  Are you insane?  Noons won, quit your bellyaching.</p>
<p>Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite&#8217;s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo.  Are you kidding?  If he was third, he&#8217;d be a DISTANT third.  Nobody I know says, &#8220;I&#8217;ve GOTTA tune into showtime.  NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING!  OMFG!&#8221;</p>
<p>Give it up.
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
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		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slowmotion, diaz is easily the third most recognizable fighter in EXC behind Carano and Kimbo and he has far more fighting credentials than either. Noons got a GIFT in that cut win to Diaz (who had a he beaten to deserve that fight? Edson fucking Berto?) and he owed him a rematch.

and it was noons&#039; drunk dad that started swinging. why is it you refuse to lay any blame on Noons? Man crush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slowmotion, diaz is easily the third most recognizable fighter in EXC behind Carano and Kimbo and he has far more fighting credentials than either. Noons got a GIFT in that cut win to Diaz (who had a he beaten to deserve that fight? Edson fucking Berto?) and he owed him a rematch.</p>
<p>and it was noons&#8217; drunk dad that started swinging. why is it you refuse to lay any blame on Noons? Man crush?
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		<title>By: slow17motion</title>
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		<dc:creator>slow17motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kingifella, this isn&#039;t some underground fight club, this is a business where people get paid thousands of dollars.  Being a champion has as much to do with good business sense as it does with fighting.

Besides, the man has a family and a lifestyle to support.  If he allows an org to walk all over him, throwing him a few dimes here and there, then he is basically selling himself for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kingifella, this isn&#8217;t some underground fight club, this is a business where people get paid thousands of dollars.  Being a champion has as much to do with good business sense as it does with fighting.</p>
<p>Besides, the man has a family and a lifestyle to support.  If he allows an org to walk all over him, throwing him a few dimes here and there, then he is basically selling himself for nothing.
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		<title>By: slow17motion</title>
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		<dc:creator>slow17motion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people are jaded if you think that Diaz has 3x the drawing power of Noons...  Diaz isn&#039;t exactly a Couture, or an Arlovski, or a Fedor.  His drawing power in Elite is based solely on his grudge with Noons.  Other than that, he&#039;s never been a huge draw for any org.  Sorry, you lose.

And as far as the face-offs, you missed the point entirely.  Yes, other orgs bring down fighters for a face-to-face, true, hey sometimes they even have weigh-ins!  Jesus.  The point is this:  Elite sent Diaz in knowing it would turn into a little scuffle, because Diaz has a history of being a whiney bitch and uses ungentlemanly tactics to try and lure other fighters to his level...  And if you don&#039;t believe it, do your research, this WAS Elite&#039;s idea.

Lastly--why would KJ be AFRAID of Diaz?  He beat him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are jaded if you think that Diaz has 3x the drawing power of Noons&#8230;  Diaz isn&#8217;t exactly a Couture, or an Arlovski, or a Fedor.  His drawing power in Elite is based solely on his grudge with Noons.  Other than that, he&#8217;s never been a huge draw for any org.  Sorry, you lose.</p>
<p>And as far as the face-offs, you missed the point entirely.  Yes, other orgs bring down fighters for a face-to-face, true, hey sometimes they even have weigh-ins!  Jesus.  The point is this:  Elite sent Diaz in knowing it would turn into a little scuffle, because Diaz has a history of being a whiney bitch and uses ungentlemanly tactics to try and lure other fighters to his level&#8230;  And if you don&#8217;t believe it, do your research, this WAS Elite&#8217;s idea.</p>
<p>Lastly&#8211;why would KJ be AFRAID of Diaz?  He beat him.
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		<title>By: Davey D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davey D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, that was good. At the end of the day, I think KJ should&#039;ve just fought Diaz and asked EXC for a pay raise afterwards, win or lose. It does bother me when a fighter talks not getting what their worth because these guy&#039;s put their life on the line when competing. They also don&#039;t have health benifits either so it is very tough because of the amount of trianing involved as well. Let alone the cost of it.

Maybe KJ has thought about his choices and will fight Nick again once and for all? I hope he does because it would be a good fight and Noons could very well win again. If he were to duplicate his first fight with Diaz, the rematch could do great things for him if he is victorious. It could possibly help him earn  way more money down the line. He just can&#039;t decide who he wants to fight and not expect repercussion&#039;s when EXC needed him most. That one fight on CBS could&#039;ve done a lot for both KJ Noons and EXC. This discussion has been a good one all weekend. They&#039;ve got to reslove this another way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, that was good. At the end of the day, I think KJ should&#8217;ve just fought Diaz and asked EXC for a pay raise afterwards, win or lose. It does bother me when a fighter talks not getting what their worth because these guy&#8217;s put their life on the line when competing. They also don&#8217;t have health benifits either so it is very tough because of the amount of trianing involved as well. Let alone the cost of it.</p>
<p>Maybe KJ has thought about his choices and will fight Nick again once and for all? I hope he does because it would be a good fight and Noons could very well win again. If he were to duplicate his first fight with Diaz, the rematch could do great things for him if he is victorious. It could possibly help him earn  way more money down the line. He just can&#8217;t decide who he wants to fight and not expect repercussion&#8217;s when EXC needed him most. That one fight on CBS could&#8217;ve done a lot for both KJ Noons and EXC. This discussion has been a good one all weekend. They&#8217;ve got to reslove this another way.
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		<title>By: kingiefella</title>
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		<dc:creator>kingiefella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this just proves that noons is scared of diaz and is not a true champion...a true champion would defend his title against anyone anytime cuz he believes he is the best....unlike noons...shame, ....would of been a great ass kicking diaz would of gave noons....you can just see that diaz would of made noons suffer this time..guess it aint gonna happen. unless elite make noons fight diaz in one of his last 2 fights even for a non title fight...im sure diaz would fight noons for a non title fight...cuz he is a true fighter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this just proves that noons is scared of diaz and is not a true champion&#8230;a true champion would defend his title against anyone anytime cuz he believes he is the best&#8230;.unlike noons&#8230;shame, &#8230;.would of been a great ass kicking diaz would of gave noons&#8230;.you can just see that diaz would of made noons suffer this time..guess it aint gonna happen. unless elite make noons fight diaz in one of his last 2 fights even for a non title fight&#8230;im sure diaz would fight noons for a non title fight&#8230;cuz he is a true fighter!
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		<title>By: Sam Caplan</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/20/kj-noons-stripped-of-elitexc-lightweight-title/comment-page-1/#comment-50468</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Caplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPK, you&#039;re flat out wrong with your stance and really mis-informed. There&#039;s a huge difference between fighters and athletes from other sports. To try and form a comparison and hold them to a similar standard is weak, at best.

A fighter assumes more risk in comparison to any other athlete in all mainstream U.S. sports but makes considerably less on average. Athletes from other sports have a union to represent them and they are granted minimum salaries in the low six-figures along with benefits. All of their training is paid for by their respective team as they train in world class facilities with an extensive coaching staff that includes trainers and team physicians. Athletes in major sports can also qualify for pensions with enough service time and because of the union, they get residual checks from all marketing and merchandise licenses that their professional league body sells.

Fighters have none of these benefits and don&#039;t even have health insurance. To compare athletes to football players is just plain ridiculous and it&#039;s an argument that you clearly have not thought out because it lacks logic and merit for the reasons stated in the second paragraph. Again, there is no comparison. You&#039;ve made the comparison before and frankly, I am sick of it.

If they don&#039;t like the terms then why sign the contract? Because fighting is their chosen profession -- a profession you derive enjoyment from. I&#039;m not sure if you work, but if you do, you have a right to go out and seek the best available position in your field. If you are working for a company, you likely have the right to go to your superiors and ask for better working conditions. If they do not meet your request, you likely have a right with no notice to leave and seek a position elsewhere. Because they are forced to sign contracts in order to be employed, a fighter does not have this option. But if you&#039;re allowed to seek better work conditions, why can&#039;t a fighter be afforded the same rights and ask to re-negotiate his or her contract?

The only way things will get better for fighters is if they take a stand. So I have no problem if they try to maneuver and use leverage to get better compensation. They just need to be smart about it. And the way Noons went about it wasn&#039;t smart. He should have sucked it up and beat Diaz on national TV and then gone back to the bargaining table with additional leverage and just one fight left on his contract.

If you want to blame Noons and Mark Dion for their short-sighted strategy, I can accept that argument. But to lump them in with every other fighter out there and take issue with the fact that some fighters are trying to do better for themselves just isn&#039;t right.

The cost of living in this country continues to skyrocket. Citizens have the right to go to their employers and tell them that they are being compensated below their market value. Why should fighters be any different? We&#039;re not talking about a fourth outfielder who is making $1.7 million but wants to go to arbitration because he believes he&#039;s worth $2.4 million. We&#039;re talking about fighters with high expenses who in most cases, are living paycheck-to-paycheck just like you and I.

People need to wake up and realize that the life of a fighter isn&#039;t as glamorous as it appears. When you see Chuck Liddell living it up on Spike&#039;s &quot;All Access,&quot; that&#039;s the exception to the rule in this sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPK, you&#8217;re flat out wrong with your stance and really mis-informed. There&#8217;s a huge difference between fighters and athletes from other sports. To try and form a comparison and hold them to a similar standard is weak, at best.</p>
<p>A fighter assumes more risk in comparison to any other athlete in all mainstream U.S. sports but makes considerably less on average. Athletes from other sports have a union to represent them and they are granted minimum salaries in the low six-figures along with benefits. All of their training is paid for by their respective team as they train in world class facilities with an extensive coaching staff that includes trainers and team physicians. Athletes in major sports can also qualify for pensions with enough service time and because of the union, they get residual checks from all marketing and merchandise licenses that their professional league body sells.</p>
<p>Fighters have none of these benefits and don&#8217;t even have health insurance. To compare athletes to football players is just plain ridiculous and it&#8217;s an argument that you clearly have not thought out because it lacks logic and merit for the reasons stated in the second paragraph. Again, there is no comparison. You&#8217;ve made the comparison before and frankly, I am sick of it.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t like the terms then why sign the contract? Because fighting is their chosen profession &#8212; a profession you derive enjoyment from. I&#8217;m not sure if you work, but if you do, you have a right to go out and seek the best available position in your field. If you are working for a company, you likely have the right to go to your superiors and ask for better working conditions. If they do not meet your request, you likely have a right with no notice to leave and seek a position elsewhere. Because they are forced to sign contracts in order to be employed, a fighter does not have this option. But if you&#8217;re allowed to seek better work conditions, why can&#8217;t a fighter be afforded the same rights and ask to re-negotiate his or her contract?</p>
<p>The only way things will get better for fighters is if they take a stand. So I have no problem if they try to maneuver and use leverage to get better compensation. They just need to be smart about it. And the way Noons went about it wasn&#8217;t smart. He should have sucked it up and beat Diaz on national TV and then gone back to the bargaining table with additional leverage and just one fight left on his contract.</p>
<p>If you want to blame Noons and Mark Dion for their short-sighted strategy, I can accept that argument. But to lump them in with every other fighter out there and take issue with the fact that some fighters are trying to do better for themselves just isn&#8217;t right.</p>
<p>The cost of living in this country continues to skyrocket. Citizens have the right to go to their employers and tell them that they are being compensated below their market value. Why should fighters be any different? We&#8217;re not talking about a fourth outfielder who is making $1.7 million but wants to go to arbitration because he believes he&#8217;s worth $2.4 million. We&#8217;re talking about fighters with high expenses who in most cases, are living paycheck-to-paycheck just like you and I.</p>
<p>People need to wake up and realize that the life of a fighter isn&#8217;t as glamorous as it appears. When you see Chuck Liddell living it up on Spike&#8217;s &#8220;All Access,&#8221; that&#8217;s the exception to the rule in this sport.
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