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Noons’s father was being antagonized (where did you get drunk from, he sounded pretty coherent after the fight). And, erm, it was Diaz’s camp that came down there in the first place (I love how people even love to blame KJ too, who was clearly doing nothing to make the situation worse).
I love this. Your fanboyishness is almost amusing. You are seriously excusing KJ’s dad FOR ATTACKING SOMEONE because he was being “antagonized”? You’re the worst kind of apologist. EXC arranged the face to face confrontation, drunk dad started swinging like a moron. He should have been arrested- lucky the Diaz brothers don’t like to get the cops involved.

Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight. And a cut decision is what it is. If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that’s part of a fighter’s weaknesses. Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut. Are you insane? Noons won, quit your bellyaching.

Yeah, and EXC asked him to give Diaz a rematch (OH TEH NOES!!!! UNHEARD OF! CERTAINLY THE UFC HAS NEVER HAD TWO FIGHTERS FACE EACH OTHER MORE THAN ONCE!) face it, your boy is a little bitch who was afraid of fighting Diaz again, and now he’s a little bitch without a career. Maybe you should fly out to Hawaii and give him the blowjob you so clearly want to, I bet he could use it right about now.

Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite’s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo. Are you kidding? If he was third, he’d be a DISTANT third. Nobody I know says, “I’ve GOTTA tune into showtime. NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING! OMFG!”

So first you claim he’s not the third biggest draw, but don’t list who feel above him, then go on to basically agree with me. Ok, I’m glad we both know Diaz is the third biggest draw.

Good times man, thanks for proving me totally right.

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Next, Noons handled Diaz in that fight. And a cut decision is what it is. If a fighter tends to cut and bleed badly then that’s part of a fighter’s weaknesses. Diaz was by no means WINNING that fight when the ref stopped it due to a cut. Are you insane? Noons won, quit your bellyaching.

Lastly, Diaz is by NO MEANS Elite’s biggest draw after Carano and Kimbo. Are you kidding? If he was third, he’d be a DISTANT third. Nobody I know says, “I’ve GOTTA tune into showtime. NICK DIAZ IS FIGHTING! OMFG!”

Give it up.

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and it was noons’ drunk dad that started swinging. why is it you refuse to lay any blame on Noons? Man crush?

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Besides, the man has a family and a lifestyle to support. If he allows an org to walk all over him, throwing him a few dimes here and there, then he is basically selling himself for nothing.

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And as far as the face-offs, you missed the point entirely. Yes, other orgs bring down fighters for a face-to-face, true, hey sometimes they even have weigh-ins! Jesus. The point is this: Elite sent Diaz in knowing it would turn into a little scuffle, because Diaz has a history of being a whiney bitch and uses ungentlemanly tactics to try and lure other fighters to his level… And if you don’t believe it, do your research, this WAS Elite’s idea.

Lastly–why would KJ be AFRAID of Diaz? He beat him.

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Maybe KJ has thought about his choices and will fight Nick again once and for all? I hope he does because it would be a good fight and Noons could very well win again. If he were to duplicate his first fight with Diaz, the rematch could do great things for him if he is victorious. It could possibly help him earn way more money down the line. He just can’t decide who he wants to fight and not expect repercussion’s when EXC needed him most. That one fight on CBS could’ve done a lot for both KJ Noons and EXC. This discussion has been a good one all weekend. They’ve got to reslove this another way.

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A fighter assumes more risk in comparison to any other athlete in all mainstream U.S. sports but makes considerably less on average. Athletes from other sports have a union to represent them and they are granted minimum salaries in the low six-figures along with benefits. All of their training is paid for by their respective team as they train in world class facilities with an extensive coaching staff that includes trainers and team physicians. Athletes in major sports can also qualify for pensions with enough service time and because of the union, they get residual checks from all marketing and merchandise licenses that their professional league body sells.

Fighters have none of these benefits and don’t even have health insurance. To compare athletes to football players is just plain ridiculous and it’s an argument that you clearly have not thought out because it lacks logic and merit for the reasons stated in the second paragraph. Again, there is no comparison. You’ve made the comparison before and frankly, I am sick of it.

If they don’t like the terms then why sign the contract? Because fighting is their chosen profession — a profession you derive enjoyment from. I’m not sure if you work, but if you do, you have a right to go out and seek the best available position in your field. If you are working for a company, you likely have the right to go to your superiors and ask for better working conditions. If they do not meet your request, you likely have a right with no notice to leave and seek a position elsewhere. Because they are forced to sign contracts in order to be employed, a fighter does not have this option. But if you’re allowed to seek better work conditions, why can’t a fighter be afforded the same rights and ask to re-negotiate his or her contract?

The only way things will get better for fighters is if they take a stand. So I have no problem if they try to maneuver and use leverage to get better compensation. They just need to be smart about it. And the way Noons went about it wasn’t smart. He should have sucked it up and beat Diaz on national TV and then gone back to the bargaining table with additional leverage and just one fight left on his contract.

If you want to blame Noons and Mark Dion for their short-sighted strategy, I can accept that argument. But to lump them in with every other fighter out there and take issue with the fact that some fighters are trying to do better for themselves just isn’t right.

The cost of living in this country continues to skyrocket. Citizens have the right to go to their employers and tell them that they are being compensated below their market value. Why should fighters be any different? We’re not talking about a fourth outfielder who is making $1.7 million but wants to go to arbitration because he believes he’s worth $2.4 million. We’re talking about fighters with high expenses who in most cases, are living paycheck-to-paycheck just like you and I.

People need to wake up and realize that the life of a fighter isn’t as glamorous as it appears. When you see Chuck Liddell living it up on Spike’s “All Access,” that’s the exception to the rule in this sport.

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yes he is

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Perhaps some of what you have forgotten about MMA is things like GSP going into the ring after a Matt Hughes fight and telling him he wasn’t impressed by his performance? Organizations send fighters in the ring for face to face interviews quite often, it’s sort of silly to blame EliteXC for both guys acting like children. Honestly do you think that EliteXC staged that sissy slapfight of a in ring brawl? It was not only a complete embarrassment for the company it was just plain sad to watch. It made both guys look childish to the point that EliteXC never even used the footage for promotion. If they were going to “stage” an in ring brawl then they would of gone all the way WWE instead of having one that looked like it belonged on a elementary school playground. Face to face interviews are common and it’s not that uncommon that they get heated but not even EliteXC would of staged something that laughably pathetic.

As far as KJ Noons making 1/3 of what Nick Diaz makes, well of course he does. That also isn’t that uncommon in MMA, guys get paid by their drawing power not because they hold a belt in EliteXC. Heck almost everyone that has fought Chuck Liddell in the last 4 years has only made drastically less than what he’s making, you think Matt Serra was making even a third of what GSP was making when they had their rematch, when Randy challenged Tim Sylvia for the heavyweight belt Randy made $150,000 more than Tim and that’s not even counting Randy’s PPV cut. Honestly this is even more common in sports than the face to face interviews. There is nothing wrong with KJ wanting to make more money but the way you do that is to make yourself more well known, passing on two primetime network events is the exact opposite of what you should be doing if you want to increase your earnings in MMA.

I’m not a fan of Nick Diaz at all, I don’t care for the way he acts or handles his business but honestly Nick Diaz involvement in this is completely irrelevant. KJ Noons refused to give a company sanctioned contender a title shot on multiple occasions and then tried to strong arm the company into giving him more money than his contract stated he was supposed to make(really silly considering EliteXC’s financial status). Sure he may of had some real gripes against EliteXC but he went about it the wrong way, now he doesn’t have a belt but is still stuck in a contract with EliteXC who doesn’t have to give him a fight or even allow him to fight elsewhere if they don’t want to. Heck even if he’s decided to go with boxing at his experience level it’s not like he’s going to make squat for pay either.

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Slowmotion, you can check for yourself that it was KJ’s dad who initiated the violence. Maybe his drunk ass should have stayed out of the ring.

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My point is that Elite XC and Diaz orchestrated it. The Shamrock/Ortiz thing was heat of the moment, they were both there, they were both pissed off. Diaz just came outta the blue with his very original double flip off. Gimme a break.

Noons would just bust up Diaz’s delicate face again anyway.

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There is a difference between building heat and blatantly mishandling your champ by allowing a physical confrontation between your fighter and another fighter’s dad during a post-fight celebration. Please.

I’m not a HUGE KJ fan, I just don’t understand why everyone jumps on the Diaz bandwagon when the kid is a classic crybaby bitch.

And by the way, KJ DID HANDLE Diaz. The decision was unfortunate, NOT controversial. Stoppages due to cuts MUST occur for the fighters’ safety. Don’t kid yourself by thinking that KJ didn’t open the cuts up and thoroughly own Diaz during their rather short confrontation.

And BTW, the other poster is very correct about Elite XC pushing Diaz. The feud with Noons was their way of doing just that.

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Imagine if Vitor Belfort had refused to give Randy a rematch (and for each, the fights were back to back) after Randy’s cut loss. They would have thrown his ass out the door. Tito is the only UFC fighter who really tried to pull that shit in the UFC and look where his career is now.

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Simply put, EliteXC is doing whatever they can to push Diaz in the best WWE/Pride way. Sad.

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