Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 14:08:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51516 Joey Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:03:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51516 Wow, Robert is 'involved' Wow, Robert is ‘involved’

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]]> By: Robert http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51439 Robert Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:56:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51439 You people have no idea what went on with KJ Noons and EliteXC as far as his contract what they were negotiating on or a rematch with Diaz or anything else your not his agent or employed by EliteXC management.You guys no nothing about what went on at all, and as far as this HexRei is concerned saying Diaz's record compared to KJ's makes it look like he barely broke into the industry.Did you watch their fight Diaz's performance against KJ made it look like he barely broke into the industry he was completely outclassed and got tore up.You people really need to stop thinking you know what's going on behind the scenes as far as contract negotiations,future fights,TV deals or anything else YOU DON'T KNOW. As much as you want to think your involved in what's going on your not. You people have no idea what went on with KJ Noons and EliteXC as far as his contract what they were negotiating on or a rematch with Diaz or anything else your not his agent or employed by EliteXC management.You guys no nothing about what went on at all, and as far as this HexRei is concerned saying Diaz’s record compared to KJ’s makes it look like he barely broke into the industry.Did you watch their fight Diaz’s performance against KJ made it look like he barely broke into the industry he was completely outclassed and got tore up.You people really need to stop thinking you know what’s going on behind the scenes as far as contract negotiations,future fights,TV deals or anything else YOU DON’T KNOW. As much as you want to think your involved in what’s going on your not.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51436 HexRei Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:14:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51436 Um, yes Robert, when you have exactly two important wins, and you are refusing to rematch the one of those you won by cut... yes, you should stfu and fight. Seriously, what has KJ done to deserve to call the shots again? I don't look down on KJ as cruelly as Joey does but the simple fact is HE IS AN MMA NOOB. He has absolutely no right to defy his promotion on a rematch with Diaz whose record makes Noons' look like he has barely broken into the industry. Noons should feel free to sign with another promotion (Hah!!!) or continue his boxing career (bahahahah!!!!!!) Um, yes Robert, when you have exactly two important wins, and you are refusing to rematch the one of those you won by cut… yes, you should stfu and fight. Seriously, what has KJ done to deserve to call the shots again?

I don’t look down on KJ as cruelly as Joey does but the simple fact is HE IS AN MMA NOOB. He has absolutely no right to defy his promotion on a rematch with Diaz whose record makes Noons’ look like he has barely broken into the industry.

Noons should feel free to sign with another promotion (Hah!!!) or continue his boxing career (bahahahah!!!!!!)

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]]> By: Robert http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51433 Robert Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:41:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51433 Sounds like Joey thinks when management speaks people should put their tail between their legs,keep their mouth shut, and do as their told.Nobody supposed to have a backbone and speak up when they feel like it i guess.Talk about being a coward. Sounds like Joey thinks when management speaks people should put their tail between their legs,keep their mouth shut, and do as their told.Nobody supposed to have a backbone and speak up when they feel like it i guess.Talk about being a coward.

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]]> By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51430 Joey Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:00:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51430 KJ Noons has a contract, honor your fucking contract or don't sign it. Eddie Alvarez wants to fight Joachim Hansen, maybe hes not available. Deal with it. Every promotion does what they need to do from a business stand point. Verdum deserves a title shot, Yushin Okami deserves a title shot, Karo use to deserve one. They don't get them . . . Hell, the interim hw champ doesn't even get first crack at the title. Life's unfair, businesses want to make money, Kimbo and Gina sell. DEAL WITH IT. KJ Noons is of the same cloth as football players that SIGN, mind you they AGREE, to a certain level of pay and then they turn around as soon as they do a little bit of good and then think they can hold out. Its disgusting. As much as I wanted Randy to leave the UFC and get his ass killed against Fedor, I am glad he threw away a year of his life and didn't get out of it. I throw up a little bit every time I think that he probably got a raise though. KJ Noons has a contract, honor your fucking contract or don’t sign it. Eddie Alvarez wants to fight Joachim Hansen, maybe hes not available. Deal with it. Every promotion does what they need to do from a business stand point. Verdum deserves a title shot, Yushin Okami deserves a title shot, Karo use to deserve one. They don’t get them . . . Hell, the interim hw champ doesn’t even get first crack at the title. Life’s unfair, businesses want to make money, Kimbo and Gina sell. DEAL WITH IT.

KJ Noons is of the same cloth as football players that SIGN, mind you they AGREE, to a certain level of pay and then they turn around as soon as they do a little bit of good and then think they can hold out. Its disgusting. As much as I wanted Randy to leave the UFC and get his ass killed against Fedor, I am glad he threw away a year of his life and didn’t get out of it. I throw up a little bit every time I think that he probably got a raise though.

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]]> By: Narcisistic http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51339 Narcisistic Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:35:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51339 <b>KJ Noons did not deserve to be stripped of his title. -Kimbo does not fight top competition, Neither does Gina Carano, but KJ has to? -EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their top stars duck their biggest threat. -Nick Diaz is not the best contender in EliteXC for KJ, Eddie Alvarez is. -KJ should be paid like a Champion if he is the Champion and defending his belt. If EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their other stars stay protected why is KJ the exception? Maybe because he is not Jarred Shaws friend? </b> KJ Noons did not deserve to be stripped of his title.

-Kimbo does not fight top competition, Neither does Gina Carano, but KJ has to?
-EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their top stars duck their biggest threat.
-Nick Diaz is not the best contender in EliteXC for KJ, Eddie Alvarez is.
-KJ should be paid like a Champion if he is the Champion and defending his belt.

If EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their other stars stay protected why is KJ the exception? Maybe because he is not Jarred Shaws friend?

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]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51330 skwirrl Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:40:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51330 The only two big names on Franklin's legacy are Evan Tanner and Okami who didn't even start fighting till it was already too late. So he beat a washed up Evan Tanner and Okami in his worst fight in recent memory - big whup. I honestly don't even have Rich in my top 5 and I could push him to the bottom half of the top 10. Oh wait I forgot about his 2005 "win" over Ken Shamrock on the phantom punch. He's definatly #3 *rolls eyes* Robbie Lawler's record includes wins over Trigg and Ninja and losses to Mayhem and a KO loss to featherfisted Nick Diaz Marquardts only good win has been over Misaki before Misaki hit his stride. I can't justify him as #2 because Filho hasn't lost. But I have him firmly right there for #3. He on numbers alone deserves it more than any of the 3 mentioned above. The only two big names on Franklin’s legacy are Evan Tanner and Okami who didn’t even start fighting till it was already too late. So he beat a washed up Evan Tanner and Okami in his worst fight in recent memory – big whup. I honestly don’t even have Rich in my top 5 and I could push him to the bottom half of the top 10.

Oh wait I forgot about his 2005 “win” over Ken Shamrock on the phantom punch. He’s definatly #3 *rolls eyes*

Robbie Lawler’s record includes wins over Trigg and Ninja and losses to Mayhem and a KO loss to featherfisted Nick Diaz

Marquardts only good win has been over Misaki before Misaki hit his stride.

I can’t justify him as #2 because Filho hasn’t lost. But I have him firmly right there for #3. He on numbers alone deserves it more than any of the 3 mentioned above.

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]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51329 skwirrl Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:31:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51329 Mousasi also has wins over Hector Lombard and Evangelista Santos He is just as qualified for the #3 spot as Franklin or Marquardt or Robbie Lawler Mousasi also has wins over Hector Lombard and Evangelista Santos

He is just as qualified for the #3 spot as Franklin or Marquardt or Robbie Lawler

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]]> By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51314 Joey Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:53:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51314 Would I put Mousasi number 2? No, but its not that absurd of an idea. I believe he cracks the top five. He hasn't fought many big names, but watch him fight, just because the first 20 people you fought aren't that awesome, that doesn't take away from your talent any. He just hasn't had a platform to showcase it. Dream showcased it. He beat Kang, who is an absolute bad ass (ALMOST as big of a force as Hyun Lee), then Kim (eh), Manhoef (this guy is scary), and Souza (serious serious ground game). Think of it this way, the average person is going to say Floyd Mayweather was/is (he's 'retired') the pound for pound king. You look at his record and there are maybe seven names on his record that actually mean something. Doesn't take away from his skills. Would I put Mousasi number 2? No, but its not that absurd of an idea. I believe he cracks the top five.

He hasn’t fought many big names, but watch him fight, just because the first 20 people you fought aren’t that awesome, that doesn’t take away from your talent any. He just hasn’t had a platform to showcase it.

Dream showcased it. He beat Kang, who is an absolute bad ass (ALMOST as big of a force as Hyun Lee), then Kim (eh), Manhoef (this guy is scary), and Souza (serious serious ground game).

Think of it this way, the average person is going to say Floyd Mayweather was/is (he’s ‘retired’) the pound for pound king. You look at his record and there are maybe seven names on his record that actually mean something. Doesn’t take away from his skills.

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]]> By: Simon Cason http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51209 Simon Cason Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:50:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51209 If im not mistaken, both Paul Taylor and Paul Kelly from GB. ANd Brandon Vera is from the Phillipines. THe UFC has said lately that Vera is their ticket to a big showing in the Phillipines. But after seeing Chuck their Im not convinced they'll even need Vera. Chuck had a huge crowd to come see him do a 1 hour work and a 1 hour meet and greet. Plus i think i read somewhere that the UFC just sign Cage Rage or King or the Cage's top fighter. The UFC's internation talent isnt as bad as you think. Its just the only time you seen them is when they do an oversees show and even then some internation fighters are on the undercards. Feel Free to correct me if Im wrong about this If im not mistaken, both Paul Taylor and Paul Kelly from GB. ANd Brandon Vera is from the Phillipines. THe UFC has said lately that Vera is their ticket to a big showing in the Phillipines. But after seeing Chuck their Im not convinced they’ll even need Vera. Chuck had a huge crowd to come see him do a 1 hour work and a 1 hour meet and greet. Plus i think i read somewhere that the UFC just sign Cage Rage or King or the Cage’s top fighter. The UFC’s internation talent isnt as bad as you think. Its just the only time you seen them is when they do an oversees show and even then some internation fighters are on the undercards.

Feel Free to correct me if Im wrong about this

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]]> By: roomservicetaco http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51192 roomservicetaco Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:27:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51192 Why won't the UFC go to Mexico before the Phillipines? Seems like it would be easier logistically and have far more $$ potential shoud it succeed. Also, both countries are known for lighter weight fighters (at least in boxing), where the UFC is not represented. I agree with the comment above about more shows in Canada, although I believe regulation - or lack of it - has become the main problem there. Why won’t the UFC go to Mexico before the Phillipines? Seems like it would be easier logistically and have far more $$ potential shoud it succeed. Also, both countries are known for lighter weight fighters (at least in boxing), where the UFC is not represented.

I agree with the comment above about more shows in Canada, although I believe regulation – or lack of it – has become the main problem there.

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]]> By: Caleb Newby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51180 Caleb Newby Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:24:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51180 That has actually happened to me with Breen, too. If it's happened to the both of us, we can put the fault on him I suppose. That has actually happened to me with Breen, too. If it’s happened to the both of us, we can put the fault on him I suppose.

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51152 Michael Huckaby Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:04:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51152 I already can't and wear a tight hat. "oh, oops. i just realized you were being sarcastic." That actually happened to me today when Breen made a joke and I didn't get it. That rarely happens but it does. I said something stupid and then a minute later I realized I just didn't get the joke he was making. I already can’t and wear a tight hat.

“oh, oops. i just realized you were being sarcastic.”

That actually happened to me today when Breen made a joke and I didn’t get it. That rarely happens but it does. I said something stupid and then a minute later I realized I just didn’t get the joke he was making.

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]]> By: David Andrest http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51128 David Andrest Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:50:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51128 OH Jesus, now his head is gonna swell and he won't be able to make it through the door. OH Jesus, now his head is gonna swell and he won’t be able to make it through the door.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51119 HexRei Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:14:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51119 so if you WERE being sarcastic (im still not sure) i guess i owe you *shudder* apology. so if you WERE being sarcastic (im still not sure) i guess i owe you *shudder* apology.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51116 HexRei Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:54:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51116 oh, oops. i just realized you were being sarcastic. oh, oops. i just realized you were being sarcastic.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51115 HexRei Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:52:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51115 <b>Michael Huckaby on September 26th, 2008 7:45 pm “That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee” No, great argument. That’s exactly what I was saying. Denis Kang, Tae Hyun Lee…. same diff dudez.</b> Oh FFS Huckaby at least google the guy before you run your mouth. <i>Name Denis Kang Record 30 - 10 - 1 (Win - Loss - Draw) ( 2 NC ) Wins 11 (T)KOs ( 36.67 %) 15 Submissions ( 50 %) 4 Decisions ( 13.33 %) Losses 2 (T)KOs ( 20 %) 6 Submissions ( 60 %) 2 Decisions ( 20 %) </i> <i>Name Tae Hyun Lee Record 1 - 2 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw) Wins 1 (T)KOs ( 100 %) Losses 2 (T)KOs ( 100 %) </i> Oh gee, ya, exactly the same. Sometimes I wonder if you actually even pay attention to MMA or if Sam just brought you on cause you're a kind of funny. Michael Huckaby on September 26th, 2008 7:45 pm

“That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee”

No, great argument. That’s exactly what I was saying. Denis Kang, Tae Hyun Lee…. same diff dudez.

Oh FFS Huckaby at least google the guy before you run your mouth.

Name Denis Kang
Record 30 – 10 – 1 (Win – Loss – Draw) ( 2 NC )

Wins
11 (T)KOs ( 36.67 %)
15 Submissions ( 50 %)
4 Decisions ( 13.33 %)

Losses
2 (T)KOs ( 20 %)
6 Submissions ( 60 %)
2 Decisions ( 20 %)

Name Tae Hyun Lee
Record 1 – 2 – 0 (Win – Loss – Draw)

Wins 1 (T)KOs ( 100 %)

Losses 2 (T)KOs ( 100 %)

Oh gee, ya, exactly the same. Sometimes I wonder if you actually even pay attention to MMA or if Sam just brought you on cause you’re a kind of funny.

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51113 Michael Huckaby Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:45:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51113 "That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee" No, great argument. That's exactly what I was saying. Denis Kang, Tae Hyun Lee.... same diff dudez. “That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee”

No, great argument. That’s exactly what I was saying. Denis Kang, Tae Hyun Lee…. same diff dudez.

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]]> By: Cash http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51097 Cash Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:25:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51097 KJ Noons is a moron for having that manager. He is done in the biz KJ Noons is a moron for having that manager. He is done in the biz

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51084 Imbecile Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:26:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51084 Newby wins this one for correctly assessing that Huckaby needs to find a new boy toy to obsess about. Mousasi #2? Are you serious? Huckaby's argument: "He's 24-2 with wins over Jacare, Manhoef, Kang and many other people." Really... what other people? You listed every important name right there, and then just put an enumeration at the end with your "many other people" so that we would assume there were plenty of other big names that fill out that 24 win record. There aren't. It only gets better from there: "Had they [Jacare, Manhoef] won this tournament they would have been ranked." So now we are improving a fighter's ranking based on their opponents' theoretical rankings if those opponents had accomplished much more than they actually did? That is worse than MMAth. Maybe it is some type of virtual, hypothetical, chaos theory MMAth that I just don't understand. That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee, a fighter who would have been ranked among the top Heavyweight fighters in the world if he would have won the PRIDE Open Weight Grand Prix. Tae Hyun Lee didn't make it past the first round, but if he had won the whole thing he would be very highly ranked. So let's base the value of Overeem's subsequent victory over him on the assumption of Lee's rank had he actually accomplished that feat. Makes no sense at all. Newby wins this one for correctly assessing that Huckaby needs to find a new boy toy to obsess about.

Mousasi #2? Are you serious?

Huckaby’s argument: “He’s 24-2 with wins over Jacare, Manhoef, Kang and many other people.”

Really… what other people? You listed every important name right there, and then just put an enumeration at the end with your “many other people” so that we would assume there were plenty of other big names that fill out that 24 win record. There aren’t.

It only gets better from there: “Had they [Jacare, Manhoef] won this tournament they would have been ranked.”

So now we are improving a fighter’s ranking based on their opponents’ theoretical rankings if those opponents had accomplished much more than they actually did? That is worse than MMAth. Maybe it is some type of virtual, hypothetical, chaos theory MMAth that I just don’t understand.

That is like saying that Alistair Overeem should be ranked near the top of the Heavyweight ladder because he beat Tae Hyun Lee, a fighter who would have been ranked among the top Heavyweight fighters in the world if he would have won the PRIDE Open Weight Grand Prix. Tae Hyun Lee didn’t make it past the first round, but if he had won the whole thing he would be very highly ranked. So let’s base the value of Overeem’s subsequent victory over him on the assumption of Lee’s rank had he actually accomplished that feat. Makes no sense at all.

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