Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:48:23 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51516 Joey Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:03:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51516 Wow, Robert is 'involved' Wow, Robert is ‘involved’

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]]> By: Robert http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51439 Robert Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:56:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51439 You people have no idea what went on with KJ Noons and EliteXC as far as his contract what they were negotiating on or a rematch with Diaz or anything else your not his agent or employed by EliteXC management.You guys no nothing about what went on at all, and as far as this HexRei is concerned saying Diaz's record compared to KJ's makes it look like he barely broke into the industry.Did you watch their fight Diaz's performance against KJ made it look like he barely broke into the industry he was completely outclassed and got tore up.You people really need to stop thinking you know what's going on behind the scenes as far as contract negotiations,future fights,TV deals or anything else YOU DON'T KNOW. As much as you want to think your involved in what's going on your not. You people have no idea what went on with KJ Noons and EliteXC as far as his contract what they were negotiating on or a rematch with Diaz or anything else your not his agent or employed by EliteXC management.You guys no nothing about what went on at all, and as far as this HexRei is concerned saying Diaz’s record compared to KJ’s makes it look like he barely broke into the industry.Did you watch their fight Diaz’s performance against KJ made it look like he barely broke into the industry he was completely outclassed and got tore up.You people really need to stop thinking you know what’s going on behind the scenes as far as contract negotiations,future fights,TV deals or anything else YOU DON’T KNOW. As much as you want to think your involved in what’s going on your not.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51436 HexRei Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:14:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51436 Um, yes Robert, when you have exactly two important wins, and you are refusing to rematch the one of those you won by cut... yes, you should stfu and fight. Seriously, what has KJ done to deserve to call the shots again? I don't look down on KJ as cruelly as Joey does but the simple fact is HE IS AN MMA NOOB. He has absolutely no right to defy his promotion on a rematch with Diaz whose record makes Noons' look like he has barely broken into the industry. Noons should feel free to sign with another promotion (Hah!!!) or continue his boxing career (bahahahah!!!!!!) Um, yes Robert, when you have exactly two important wins, and you are refusing to rematch the one of those you won by cut… yes, you should stfu and fight. Seriously, what has KJ done to deserve to call the shots again?

I don’t look down on KJ as cruelly as Joey does but the simple fact is HE IS AN MMA NOOB. He has absolutely no right to defy his promotion on a rematch with Diaz whose record makes Noons’ look like he has barely broken into the industry.

Noons should feel free to sign with another promotion (Hah!!!) or continue his boxing career (bahahahah!!!!!!)

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]]> By: Robert http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51433 Robert Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:41:19 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51433 Sounds like Joey thinks when management speaks people should put their tail between their legs,keep their mouth shut, and do as their told.Nobody supposed to have a backbone and speak up when they feel like it i guess.Talk about being a coward. Sounds like Joey thinks when management speaks people should put their tail between their legs,keep their mouth shut, and do as their told.Nobody supposed to have a backbone and speak up when they feel like it i guess.Talk about being a coward.

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]]> By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51430 Joey Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:00:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51430 KJ Noons has a contract, honor your fucking contract or don't sign it. Eddie Alvarez wants to fight Joachim Hansen, maybe hes not available. Deal with it. Every promotion does what they need to do from a business stand point. Verdum deserves a title shot, Yushin Okami deserves a title shot, Karo use to deserve one. They don't get them . . . Hell, the interim hw champ doesn't even get first crack at the title. Life's unfair, businesses want to make money, Kimbo and Gina sell. DEAL WITH IT. KJ Noons is of the same cloth as football players that SIGN, mind you they AGREE, to a certain level of pay and then they turn around as soon as they do a little bit of good and then think they can hold out. Its disgusting. As much as I wanted Randy to leave the UFC and get his ass killed against Fedor, I am glad he threw away a year of his life and didn't get out of it. I throw up a little bit every time I think that he probably got a raise though. KJ Noons has a contract, honor your fucking contract or don’t sign it. Eddie Alvarez wants to fight Joachim Hansen, maybe hes not available. Deal with it. Every promotion does what they need to do from a business stand point. Verdum deserves a title shot, Yushin Okami deserves a title shot, Karo use to deserve one. They don’t get them . . . Hell, the interim hw champ doesn’t even get first crack at the title. Life’s unfair, businesses want to make money, Kimbo and Gina sell. DEAL WITH IT.

KJ Noons is of the same cloth as football players that SIGN, mind you they AGREE, to a certain level of pay and then they turn around as soon as they do a little bit of good and then think they can hold out. Its disgusting. As much as I wanted Randy to leave the UFC and get his ass killed against Fedor, I am glad he threw away a year of his life and didn’t get out of it. I throw up a little bit every time I think that he probably got a raise though.

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]]> By: Narcisistic http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51339 Narcisistic Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:35:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51339 <b>KJ Noons did not deserve to be stripped of his title. -Kimbo does not fight top competition, Neither does Gina Carano, but KJ has to? -EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their top stars duck their biggest threat. -Nick Diaz is not the best contender in EliteXC for KJ, Eddie Alvarez is. -KJ should be paid like a Champion if he is the Champion and defending his belt. If EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their other stars stay protected why is KJ the exception? Maybe because he is not Jarred Shaws friend? </b> KJ Noons did not deserve to be stripped of his title.

-Kimbo does not fight top competition, Neither does Gina Carano, but KJ has to?
-EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their top stars duck their biggest threat.
-Nick Diaz is not the best contender in EliteXC for KJ, Eddie Alvarez is.
-KJ should be paid like a Champion if he is the Champion and defending his belt.

If EliteXC has made a habbit of letting their other stars stay protected why is KJ the exception? Maybe because he is not Jarred Shaws friend?

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]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51330 skwirrl Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:40:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51330 The only two big names on Franklin's legacy are Evan Tanner and Okami who didn't even start fighting till it was already too late. So he beat a washed up Evan Tanner and Okami in his worst fight in recent memory - big whup. I honestly don't even have Rich in my top 5 and I could push him to the bottom half of the top 10. Oh wait I forgot about his 2005 "win" over Ken Shamrock on the phantom punch. He's definatly #3 *rolls eyes* Robbie Lawler's record includes wins over Trigg and Ninja and losses to Mayhem and a KO loss to featherfisted Nick Diaz Marquardts only good win has been over Misaki before Misaki hit his stride. I can't justify him as #2 because Filho hasn't lost. But I have him firmly right there for #3. He on numbers alone deserves it more than any of the 3 mentioned above. The only two big names on Franklin’s legacy are Evan Tanner and Okami who didn’t even start fighting till it was already too late. So he beat a washed up Evan Tanner and Okami in his worst fight in recent memory – big whup. I honestly don’t even have Rich in my top 5 and I could push him to the bottom half of the top 10.

Oh wait I forgot about his 2005 “win” over Ken Shamrock on the phantom punch. He’s definatly #3 *rolls eyes*

Robbie Lawler’s record includes wins over Trigg and Ninja and losses to Mayhem and a KO loss to featherfisted Nick Diaz

Marquardts only good win has been over Misaki before Misaki hit his stride.

I can’t justify him as #2 because Filho hasn’t lost. But I have him firmly right there for #3. He on numbers alone deserves it more than any of the 3 mentioned above.

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]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51329 skwirrl Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:31:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51329 Mousasi also has wins over Hector Lombard and Evangelista Santos He is just as qualified for the #3 spot as Franklin or Marquardt or Robbie Lawler Mousasi also has wins over Hector Lombard and Evangelista Santos

He is just as qualified for the #3 spot as Franklin or Marquardt or Robbie Lawler

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]]> By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51314 Joey Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:53:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51314 Would I put Mousasi number 2? No, but its not that absurd of an idea. I believe he cracks the top five. He hasn't fought many big names, but watch him fight, just because the first 20 people you fought aren't that awesome, that doesn't take away from your talent any. He just hasn't had a platform to showcase it. Dream showcased it. He beat Kang, who is an absolute bad ass (ALMOST as big of a force as Hyun Lee), then Kim (eh), Manhoef (this guy is scary), and Souza (serious serious ground game). Think of it this way, the average person is going to say Floyd Mayweather was/is (he's 'retired') the pound for pound king. You look at his record and there are maybe seven names on his record that actually mean something. Doesn't take away from his skills. Would I put Mousasi number 2? No, but its not that absurd of an idea. I believe he cracks the top five.

He hasn’t fought many big names, but watch him fight, just because the first 20 people you fought aren’t that awesome, that doesn’t take away from your talent any. He just hasn’t had a platform to showcase it.

Dream showcased it. He beat Kang, who is an absolute bad ass (ALMOST as big of a force as Hyun Lee), then Kim (eh), Manhoef (this guy is scary), and Souza (serious serious ground game).

Think of it this way, the average person is going to say Floyd Mayweather was/is (he’s ‘retired’) the pound for pound king. You look at his record and there are maybe seven names on his record that actually mean something. Doesn’t take away from his skills.

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]]> By: Simon Cason http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/09/26/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-21/comment-page-1/#comment-51209 Simon Cason Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:50:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7225#comment-51209 If im not mistaken, both Paul Taylor and Paul Kelly from GB. ANd Brandon Vera is from the Phillipines. THe UFC has said lately that Vera is their ticket to a big showing in the Phillipines. But after seeing Chuck their Im not convinced they'll even need Vera. Chuck had a huge crowd to come see him do a 1 hour work and a 1 hour meet and greet. Plus i think i read somewhere that the UFC just sign Cage Rage or King or the Cage's top fighter. The UFC's internation talent isnt as bad as you think. Its just the only time you seen them is when they do an oversees show and even then some internation fighters are on the undercards. Feel Free to correct me if Im wrong about this If im not mistaken, both Paul Taylor and Paul Kelly from GB. ANd Brandon Vera is from the Phillipines. THe UFC has said lately that Vera is their ticket to a big showing in the Phillipines. But after seeing Chuck their Im not convinced they’ll even need Vera. Chuck had a huge crowd to come see him do a 1 hour work and a 1 hour meet and greet. Plus i think i read somewhere that the UFC just sign Cage Rage or King or the Cage’s top fighter. The UFC’s internation talent isnt as bad as you think. Its just the only time you seen them is when they do an oversees show and even then some internation fighters are on the undercards.

Feel Free to correct me if Im wrong about this

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