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		<title>By: Imbecile</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/05/elitexc-heat-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-52105</link>
		<dc:creator>Imbecile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, you are 100% right about Big Country getting robbed.  Sure he got soundly beaten on the feet, but there is no excuse for a stand-up from side-control when he was workign for a kimura.  Just disgusting.

Joe Rogan started a thread about it on the UG:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&amp;forum=1&amp;thread=1351666&amp;page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, you are 100% right about Big Country getting robbed.  Sure he got soundly beaten on the feet, but there is no excuse for a stand-up from side-control when he was workign for a kimura.  Just disgusting.</p>
<p>Joe Rogan started a thread about it on the UG:</p>
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		<title>By: joetheacupuncturist</title>
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		<dc:creator>joetheacupuncturist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, the standing up during side control was complete BS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, the standing up during side control was complete BS
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		<title>By: steve putman</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve putman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf....  elitexc is what&#039;s bush league here.  All i take from the 2 cards that i&#039;ve seen is the b/s preferential treatment they give their &quot;stars&quot;.  The first being James Thompson&#039;s non stoppage of Kimbo..  Now this ref (who the hell is this guy?)  pulling nelson out of side control.  He was in half guard, the ref said &quot;improve ur position&quot;  then nelson IMMEDIATELY takes side control, then one more quick warning from the ref to &quot;improve ur position&quot; before the stand up.  seriously, what more could a grappler do?  They gave him absolutely no chance-- total b/s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf&#8230;.  elitexc is what&#8217;s bush league here.  All i take from the 2 cards that i&#8217;ve seen is the b/s preferential treatment they give their &#8220;stars&#8221;.  The first being James Thompson&#8217;s non stoppage of Kimbo..  Now this ref (who the hell is this guy?)  pulling nelson out of side control.  He was in half guard, the ref said &#8220;improve ur position&#8221;  then nelson IMMEDIATELY takes side control, then one more quick warning from the ref to &#8220;improve ur position&#8221; before the stand up.  seriously, what more could a grappler do?  They gave him absolutely no chance&#8211; total b/s
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		<title>By: hindsightufuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hindsightufuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>through i lose punch = throw a loose punch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>through i lose punch = throw a loose punch
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		<title>By: hindsightufuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hindsightufuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ haha

enjoyed the card, my one thought is:
troy waugh - what a cunt!
i was praying someone would through i lose punch and knock him out
kissing the heavens before refereeing a fight, what a cunt
and the intro to the main event, welcoming the fighters to cbs/elite xc, incase they didnt know where they were. even looks like that ufc ref who is also a cunt, only waugh is more of a cunt
what a cunt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ haha</p>
<p>enjoyed the card, my one thought is:<br />
troy waugh &#8211; what a cunt!<br />
i was praying someone would through i lose punch and knock him out<br />
kissing the heavens before refereeing a fight, what a cunt<br />
and the intro to the main event, welcoming the fighters to cbs/elite xc, incase they didnt know where they were. even looks like that ufc ref who is also a cunt, only waugh is more of a cunt<br />
what a cunt
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only person Ken Shamrock could have beat on this whole card was Kelly Kobold and even that&#039;s a little shaky.</description>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that it is so funny that Kimbo went down like a #@$!%. He is over rated at least and very much a one sided fighter. He is just a goon with no legitimate skills other than a sucker punch!! The guys has no ground game and will never be able to handle a true jui jitzu specialist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that it is so funny that Kimbo went down like a #@$!%. He is over rated at least and very much a one sided fighter. He is just a goon with no legitimate skills other than a sucker punch!! The guys has no ground game and will never be able to handle a true jui jitzu specialist!
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		<title>By: ACK!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACK!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimbo&#039;s gameplan was obviously to bum-rush Shamrock.  Apparently he wasn&#039;t able to adapt that to a more versatile striker.  That said, I think he knocked himself out as much as anything.  He was loading up for a big shot and powered his head right into Seth&#039;s jab.  He must&#039;ve thought Seth wouldn&#039;t follow a kick with a left jab, but eitherway his biggest mistake was keeping his chin up as he moved forward.  Does it mean Kimbo has a glass jaw? Not necessarily (remember he took Tank&#039;s hardest shot and shrugged it off).  Anyone can get knocked out if they get hit in the right spot at the right time.  And he got it right on the button while he was shooting forward.  What can you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimbo&#8217;s gameplan was obviously to bum-rush Shamrock.  Apparently he wasn&#8217;t able to adapt that to a more versatile striker.  That said, I think he knocked himself out as much as anything.  He was loading up for a big shot and powered his head right into Seth&#8217;s jab.  He must&#8217;ve thought Seth wouldn&#8217;t follow a kick with a left jab, but eitherway his biggest mistake was keeping his chin up as he moved forward.  Does it mean Kimbo has a glass jaw? Not necessarily (remember he took Tank&#8217;s hardest shot and shrugged it off).  Anyone can get knocked out if they get hit in the right spot at the right time.  And he got it right on the button while he was shooting forward.  What can you say?
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		<title>By: MMA SKOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMA SKOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 Oz. of Pain:

When you see the fighters getting ready for fights (like on a DVD) almost all of them go through the motions of their gameplan with a trainer.... i.e. very light sparring. I&#039;m sure this is all Ken was doing, and his face is so beat up he probably gets cut when he lays on a pillow too hard.

Anyway, I don&#039;t understand why its so shocking that he got cut accidentally.

Pick up a DVD that has pre-fight preparation footage. Its not absurd that they could accidentally bump heads. Its stupid, yes to let somebody bump you in the head before a fight, but not surprising or shocking.

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Why Kimbo&#039;s trainers haven&#039;t kicked him of the bad habbit of bull-rushing an opponent is the biggest surprise of the night. Especially against an unknown opponent.

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But it was an entertaining event overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 Oz. of Pain:</p>
<p>When you see the fighters getting ready for fights (like on a DVD) almost all of them go through the motions of their gameplan with a trainer&#8230;. i.e. very light sparring. I&#8217;m sure this is all Ken was doing, and his face is so beat up he probably gets cut when he lays on a pillow too hard.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t understand why its so shocking that he got cut accidentally.</p>
<p>Pick up a DVD that has pre-fight preparation footage. Its not absurd that they could accidentally bump heads. Its stupid, yes to let somebody bump you in the head before a fight, but not surprising or shocking.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Why Kimbo&#8217;s trainers haven&#8217;t kicked him of the bad habbit of bull-rushing an opponent is the biggest surprise of the night. Especially against an unknown opponent.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>But it was an entertaining event overall.
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		<title>By: balzac</title>
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		<dc:creator>balzac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The knockdown punch hit him right on the button. doesn&#039;t take much if you hit the right spot...............

What I think finished Slice was the punches after he went down......Seth hit a shot off the back of the head and then a solid shot to the ear. I think the shot to the ear sealed it, and was what turned a flash knockdown into Slice thnking  the ref was his opponent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The knockdown punch hit him right on the button. doesn&#8217;t take much if you hit the right spot&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>What I think finished Slice was the punches after he went down&#8230;&#8230;Seth hit a shot off the back of the head and then a solid shot to the ear. I think the shot to the ear sealed it, and was what turned a flash knockdown into Slice thnking  the ref was his opponent.
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