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		<title>By: Imbecile</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/05/elitexc-heat-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-52105</link>
		<dc:creator>Imbecile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, you are 100% right about Big Country getting robbed.  Sure he got soundly beaten on the feet, but there is no excuse for a stand-up from side-control when he was workign for a kimura.  Just disgusting.

Joe Rogan started a thread about it on the UG:

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&amp;forum=1&amp;thread=1351666&amp;page=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, you are 100% right about Big Country getting robbed.  Sure he got soundly beaten on the feet, but there is no excuse for a stand-up from side-control when he was workign for a kimura.  Just disgusting.</p>
<p>Joe Rogan started a thread about it on the UG:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&#038;forum=1&#038;thread=1351666&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum_framed.posts&#038;forum=1&#038;thread=1351666&#038;page=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: joetheacupuncturist</title>
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		<dc:creator>joetheacupuncturist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, the standing up during side control was complete BS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, the standing up during side control was complete BS</p>
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		<title>By: steve putman</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve putman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wtf....  elitexc is what&#039;s bush league here.  All i take from the 2 cards that i&#039;ve seen is the b/s preferential treatment they give their &quot;stars&quot;.  The first being James Thompson&#039;s non stoppage of Kimbo..  Now this ref (who the hell is this guy?)  pulling nelson out of side control.  He was in half guard, the ref said &quot;improve ur position&quot;  then nelson IMMEDIATELY takes side control, then one more quick warning from the ref to &quot;improve ur position&quot; before the stand up.  seriously, what more could a grappler do?  They gave him absolutely no chance-- total b/s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wtf&#8230;.  elitexc is what&#8217;s bush league here.  All i take from the 2 cards that i&#8217;ve seen is the b/s preferential treatment they give their &#8220;stars&#8221;.  The first being James Thompson&#8217;s non stoppage of Kimbo..  Now this ref (who the hell is this guy?)  pulling nelson out of side control.  He was in half guard, the ref said &#8220;improve ur position&#8221;  then nelson IMMEDIATELY takes side control, then one more quick warning from the ref to &#8220;improve ur position&#8221; before the stand up.  seriously, what more could a grappler do?  They gave him absolutely no chance&#8211; total b/s</p>
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		<title>By: hindsightufuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hindsightufuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>through i lose punch = throw a loose punch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>through i lose punch = throw a loose punch</p>
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		<title>By: hindsightufuk</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/05/elitexc-heat-thoughts-commentary/comment-page-1/#comment-52022</link>
		<dc:creator>hindsightufuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^ haha

enjoyed the card, my one thought is:
troy waugh - what a cunt!
i was praying someone would through i lose punch and knock him out
kissing the heavens before refereeing a fight, what a cunt
and the intro to the main event, welcoming the fighters to cbs/elite xc, incase they didnt know where they were. even looks like that ufc ref who is also a cunt, only waugh is more of a cunt
what a cunt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^ haha</p>
<p>enjoyed the card, my one thought is:<br />
troy waugh &#8211; what a cunt!<br />
i was praying someone would through i lose punch and knock him out<br />
kissing the heavens before refereeing a fight, what a cunt<br />
and the intro to the main event, welcoming the fighters to cbs/elite xc, incase they didnt know where they were. even looks like that ufc ref who is also a cunt, only waugh is more of a cunt<br />
what a cunt</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only person Ken Shamrock could have beat on this whole card was Kelly Kobold and even that&#039;s a little shaky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only person Ken Shamrock could have beat on this whole card was Kelly Kobold and even that&#8217;s a little shaky.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that it is so funny that Kimbo went down like a #@$!%. He is over rated at least and very much a one sided fighter. He is just a goon with no legitimate skills other than a sucker punch!! The guys has no ground game and will never be able to handle a true jui jitzu specialist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that it is so funny that Kimbo went down like a #@$!%. He is over rated at least and very much a one sided fighter. He is just a goon with no legitimate skills other than a sucker punch!! The guys has no ground game and will never be able to handle a true jui jitzu specialist!</p>
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		<title>By: ACK!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACK!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimbo&#039;s gameplan was obviously to bum-rush Shamrock.  Apparently he wasn&#039;t able to adapt that to a more versatile striker.  That said, I think he knocked himself out as much as anything.  He was loading up for a big shot and powered his head right into Seth&#039;s jab.  He must&#039;ve thought Seth wouldn&#039;t follow a kick with a left jab, but eitherway his biggest mistake was keeping his chin up as he moved forward.  Does it mean Kimbo has a glass jaw? Not necessarily (remember he took Tank&#039;s hardest shot and shrugged it off).  Anyone can get knocked out if they get hit in the right spot at the right time.  And he got it right on the button while he was shooting forward.  What can you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimbo&#8217;s gameplan was obviously to bum-rush Shamrock.  Apparently he wasn&#8217;t able to adapt that to a more versatile striker.  That said, I think he knocked himself out as much as anything.  He was loading up for a big shot and powered his head right into Seth&#8217;s jab.  He must&#8217;ve thought Seth wouldn&#8217;t follow a kick with a left jab, but eitherway his biggest mistake was keeping his chin up as he moved forward.  Does it mean Kimbo has a glass jaw? Not necessarily (remember he took Tank&#8217;s hardest shot and shrugged it off).  Anyone can get knocked out if they get hit in the right spot at the right time.  And he got it right on the button while he was shooting forward.  What can you say?</p>
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		<title>By: MMA SKOOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MMA SKOOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 Oz. of Pain:

When you see the fighters getting ready for fights (like on a DVD) almost all of them go through the motions of their gameplan with a trainer.... i.e. very light sparring. I&#039;m sure this is all Ken was doing, and his face is so beat up he probably gets cut when he lays on a pillow too hard.

Anyway, I don&#039;t understand why its so shocking that he got cut accidentally.

Pick up a DVD that has pre-fight preparation footage. Its not absurd that they could accidentally bump heads. Its stupid, yes to let somebody bump you in the head before a fight, but not surprising or shocking.

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Why Kimbo&#039;s trainers haven&#039;t kicked him of the bad habbit of bull-rushing an opponent is the biggest surprise of the night. Especially against an unknown opponent.

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But it was an entertaining event overall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 Oz. of Pain:</p>
<p>When you see the fighters getting ready for fights (like on a DVD) almost all of them go through the motions of their gameplan with a trainer&#8230;. i.e. very light sparring. I&#8217;m sure this is all Ken was doing, and his face is so beat up he probably gets cut when he lays on a pillow too hard.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t understand why its so shocking that he got cut accidentally.</p>
<p>Pick up a DVD that has pre-fight preparation footage. Its not absurd that they could accidentally bump heads. Its stupid, yes to let somebody bump you in the head before a fight, but not surprising or shocking.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Why Kimbo&#8217;s trainers haven&#8217;t kicked him of the bad habbit of bull-rushing an opponent is the biggest surprise of the night. Especially against an unknown opponent.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>But it was an entertaining event overall.</p>
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		<title>By: balzac</title>
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		<dc:creator>balzac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 12:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The knockdown punch hit him right on the button. doesn&#039;t take much if you hit the right spot...............

What I think finished Slice was the punches after he went down......Seth hit a shot off the back of the head and then a solid shot to the ear. I think the shot to the ear sealed it, and was what turned a flash knockdown into Slice thnking  the ref was his opponent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The knockdown punch hit him right on the button. doesn&#8217;t take much if you hit the right spot&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>What I think finished Slice was the punches after he went down&#8230;&#8230;Seth hit a shot off the back of the head and then a solid shot to the ear. I think the shot to the ear sealed it, and was what turned a flash knockdown into Slice thnking  the ref was his opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: Echolocating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Echolocating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HexRei, my point about the cut was that it was simply a cut. It wasn&#039;t posing any immediate problems for Ken. Could it have? We&#039;ll never know.

The only thing I&#039;m accusing the doctors of is being overly cautious about a cut. If the fight went on and Ken&#039;s cut opened up and bled into his eye... so what? Cuts happen all the time in fights and refs and doctors are there to put a stop to the fight if necessary... yet a cut can prevent a fight from happening? Sorry, I mean... LACERATION! (The term used by the doctors to help justify their decision.)

And yes, I saw the &quot;punch&quot; that took Kimbo out... and when I said I really don&#039;t know how he could have fallen, I meant I didn&#039;t understand how a dominant street brawler who fought in bare knuckle matches could have such a glass jaw.

Sarcasm obviously doesn&#039;t translate well in text. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HexRei, my point about the cut was that it was simply a cut. It wasn&#8217;t posing any immediate problems for Ken. Could it have? We&#8217;ll never know.</p>
<p>The only thing I&#8217;m accusing the doctors of is being overly cautious about a cut. If the fight went on and Ken&#8217;s cut opened up and bled into his eye&#8230; so what? Cuts happen all the time in fights and refs and doctors are there to put a stop to the fight if necessary&#8230; yet a cut can prevent a fight from happening? Sorry, I mean&#8230; LACERATION! (The term used by the doctors to help justify their decision.)</p>
<p>And yes, I saw the &#8220;punch&#8221; that took Kimbo out&#8230; and when I said I really don&#8217;t know how he could have fallen, I meant I didn&#8217;t understand how a dominant street brawler who fought in bare knuckle matches could have such a glass jaw.</p>
<p>Sarcasm obviously doesn&#8217;t translate well in text. <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
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		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Echolocating on October 5th, 2008 2:17 am &lt;/b&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Yeah, Ken was stupid… but he only had a cut. I mean, Kelly Kobold had a cut during the fight, but they didn’t stop the fight right away so… why didn’t they let Ken fight and if the cut became a serious problem, then stop the fight?&lt;/b&gt;

All cuts are not equal. We didn&#039;t see the depth of either cut. Kelly&#039;s was vertical, ken&#039;s was horizontal- and his was actually under the brow, whereas Kelly&#039;s was higher, in the brow. His would have bled more into the eye IMHO.

Anyway, medical doctors made the decision in both cases. Are you accusing the CSAC-employed doctors of something? I can&#039;t understand what their agenda would be.

&lt;b&gt;After watching the replay, I still don’t know how Kimbo got knocked out. Weird stuff.&lt;/b&gt;

Short right jab. It was quite visible from the left side view (Seth&#039;s left) in the replay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Echolocating on October 5th, 2008 2:17 am </b><br />
<b>Yeah, Ken was stupid… but he only had a cut. I mean, Kelly Kobold had a cut during the fight, but they didn’t stop the fight right away so… why didn’t they let Ken fight and if the cut became a serious problem, then stop the fight?</b></p>
<p>All cuts are not equal. We didn&#8217;t see the depth of either cut. Kelly&#8217;s was vertical, ken&#8217;s was horizontal- and his was actually under the brow, whereas Kelly&#8217;s was higher, in the brow. His would have bled more into the eye IMHO.</p>
<p>Anyway, medical doctors made the decision in both cases. Are you accusing the CSAC-employed doctors of something? I can&#8217;t understand what their agenda would be.</p>
<p><b>After watching the replay, I still don’t know how Kimbo got knocked out. Weird stuff.</b></p>
<p>Short right jab. It was quite visible from the left side view (Seth&#8217;s left) in the replay.</p>
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		<title>By: Echolocating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Echolocating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 07:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It turned out to be a pretty entertaining card.

Gina definitely has skills. I hope she figures out what weight class she wants to fight in though because it&#039;s getting a bit ridiculous. I thought the second round was obviously Kobold&#039;s and was surprised to hear that two judges scored all the rounds for Gina, but Gina definitely won so no major gripes about that.

The ref stepping in while Roy had side control blew my mind. Those refs need a bit more training. O McCarthy, where art thou?

Yeah, Ken was stupid... but he only had a cut. I mean, Kelly Kobold had a cut during the fight, but they didn&#039;t stop the fight right away so... why didn&#039;t they let Ken fight and if the cut became a serious problem, then stop the fight? I wonder if they actually stopped Ken from fighting because he lied about his age? ;-)

After watching the replay, I still don&#039;t know how Kimbo got knocked out. Weird stuff. But in the long run, it&#039;ll give EliteXC more legitimacy as the carefully crafted mystique of Kimbo is all but gone. The sad part is that I like Kimbo. I think he&#039;s a great personality, but he was just a marketing tool and not much else... and he sure didn&#039;t mind agreeing to the situation so I don&#039;t have any sympathy.

The one saving grace is that now that we have a defeated Kimbo Slice, maybe we&#039;ll see him against legitimate competition (with more than a few hours notice). What does EliteXC have to lose now by treating him like every other fighter who has to earn their keep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It turned out to be a pretty entertaining card.</p>
<p>Gina definitely has skills. I hope she figures out what weight class she wants to fight in though because it&#8217;s getting a bit ridiculous. I thought the second round was obviously Kobold&#8217;s and was surprised to hear that two judges scored all the rounds for Gina, but Gina definitely won so no major gripes about that.</p>
<p>The ref stepping in while Roy had side control blew my mind. Those refs need a bit more training. O McCarthy, where art thou?</p>
<p>Yeah, Ken was stupid&#8230; but he only had a cut. I mean, Kelly Kobold had a cut during the fight, but they didn&#8217;t stop the fight right away so&#8230; why didn&#8217;t they let Ken fight and if the cut became a serious problem, then stop the fight? I wonder if they actually stopped Ken from fighting because he lied about his age? <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>After watching the replay, I still don&#8217;t know how Kimbo got knocked out. Weird stuff. But in the long run, it&#8217;ll give EliteXC more legitimacy as the carefully crafted mystique of Kimbo is all but gone. The sad part is that I like Kimbo. I think he&#8217;s a great personality, but he was just a marketing tool and not much else&#8230; and he sure didn&#8217;t mind agreeing to the situation so I don&#8217;t have any sympathy.</p>
<p>The one saving grace is that now that we have a defeated Kimbo Slice, maybe we&#8217;ll see him against legitimate competition (with more than a few hours notice). What does EliteXC have to lose now by treating him like every other fighter who has to earn their keep?</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 06:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mauricio Rua didn’t look so hot from the get-go in his fight against Benji Radach but took some real good shots and made the fight entertaining. Radach vs. Lawler would be a fun bout.&quot;

Wrong brother.

&quot;Did anyone else hear Frank Shamrock dissing Ken at the beginning of the show, talking about “disgracing the Shamrock name”?&quot;

Frank doesn&#039;t care about anything except his bank account.

And Nelson was doing next to nothing at side mount when they were stood up.  He spent 3/4 of the fight laying or leaning on Arlovski and then has the nerve to throw his mouthpiece out in anger over a &quot;quick&quot; stoppage?  Puh-lease, fat man.  You got exposed for the bush league champion that you are.

Yeah, I might have been harsh towards &quot;Big Country&quot; but the idiot ranked himself 5th in HIS Top 10 heavies... OVER ROTHWELL?!?  What a dumbass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mauricio Rua didn’t look so hot from the get-go in his fight against Benji Radach but took some real good shots and made the fight entertaining. Radach vs. Lawler would be a fun bout.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong brother.</p>
<p>&#8220;Did anyone else hear Frank Shamrock dissing Ken at the beginning of the show, talking about “disgracing the Shamrock name”?&#8221;</p>
<p>Frank doesn&#8217;t care about anything except his bank account.</p>
<p>And Nelson was doing next to nothing at side mount when they were stood up.  He spent 3/4 of the fight laying or leaning on Arlovski and then has the nerve to throw his mouthpiece out in anger over a &#8220;quick&#8221; stoppage?  Puh-lease, fat man.  You got exposed for the bush league champion that you are.</p>
<p>Yeah, I might have been harsh towards &#8220;Big Country&#8221; but the idiot ranked himself 5th in HIS Top 10 heavies&#8230; OVER ROTHWELL?!?  What a dumbass.</p>
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