Comments on: One-on-one with the director of “Renzo Gracie: Legacy” http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Fish http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/comment-page-1/#comment-52836 Fish Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:10:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7701#comment-52836 I can't wait to see this documentary as well - the Gracie's impact on MMA and traditional martial arts is both powerful and undeniable. However, I disagree with Sam and Gethin on "Redbelt" - I thought it was a very good movie. For hardcore fans and practitioners alike, the art and science of martial arts goes a lot deeper than the physical aspect itself - Bruce Lee had it on the spot when he said that his practicing martial arts made him a better man mentally, spiritually, and of course physically. "Redbelt" showcased honor, loyalty, duty and the ability to withstand even the craziest circumstances - in the movie, even the guy's wife goes against him! That being said, I know this documentary on Renzo will be just as inspiring, if not more so, and will hit a lot closer to home. I can’t wait to see this documentary as well – the Gracie’s impact on MMA and traditional martial arts is both powerful and undeniable. However, I disagree with Sam and Gethin on “Redbelt” – I thought it was a very good movie. For hardcore fans and practitioners alike, the art and science of martial arts goes a lot deeper than the physical aspect itself – Bruce Lee had it on the spot when he said that his practicing martial arts made him a better man mentally, spiritually, and of course physically. “Redbelt” showcased honor, loyalty, duty and the ability to withstand even the craziest circumstances – in the movie, even the guy’s wife goes against him! That being said, I know this documentary on Renzo will be just as inspiring, if not more so, and will hit a lot closer to home.

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]]> By: serge laprade http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/comment-page-1/#comment-52818 serge laprade Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:33:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7701#comment-52818 C'mon, lets be honest. There are a few Gracies who qualify for the words legacy and none of those fighters are Carlos the 2nd sons. The title should be Renzo: The Not So Good Gracie C;mon, he was 1-6 between 2000-2005. The two fights afterwards against old farts like Miletic were meaningless so you have to go then before 2000 for the the only wins against somewhat decent opposotion: Taktarov and Mo Smith. What legacy are we talking here? he was a trainer? So are 2,000 other Gracie's. This one happens to work out of the media capital of the universe so I presume he gets more press and glitzier clientele than Billy Bob Gracie who teaches out of Butthole, Wyoming. Im as big a Gracie nuthugger as the next guy having gone down to California to train there for a few months in the 1990's and even when mediocre Gracies like Ryan used to fight, I used to watch....you know, just in case. But dont try to sell us Renzo as some kind of legend. He was a good fighter, not great and he has a great personality. Plus brazilian accents are always cool when they know enough english to be undestood properly. Thanks for the heads up about Redbelt Davey. I had heard some about it but it was tucked away in teh back of my mind and forgotten. Ill go give it a shot. I disagree comparing a documentary to a fiction film. Of course you wont get as much MMA in one as the other. Again, props to Davey for this point. As for the 'art' and "a legacy and tradition dating back to feudal Japan, warriors, Samurai code,", the guy is talking about specific martial arts which make up MMA not necessarily current MMA. I see very little honour, humility, respect and other things that we teach to young kids in our judo/jujutsu classes. You see it in the GSP's and a few others who were brought up as kids in martial arts environments. Wrestlers, strikers and brawlers, not so much. So yes, you can say that MMA has a bit of those ancient qualities by osmosis but watch TUF and tell me where you see any of that in the future UFC champions of tomorrow? I spend most of my time teaching those very concepts to kids (especially those with behavior problems) and take them to heart and current MMA is moving away from these and closer to fratboy mentality akin to WWF wrestling. Am I gonna watch the doc? Of course, its about MMA. I once spend 2hrs of my life watching Mr.Wrong with Ellen Degeneres who I cant stand, I sure as hell can watch a documentary on Renzo Gracie. C’mon, lets be honest.
There are a few Gracies who qualify for the words legacy and none of those fighters are Carlos the 2nd sons.

The title should be Renzo: The Not So Good Gracie

C;mon, he was 1-6 between 2000-2005.
The two fights afterwards against old farts like Miletic were meaningless
so you have to go then before 2000 for the the only wins against somewhat decent opposotion: Taktarov and Mo Smith.

What legacy are we talking here? he was a trainer? So are 2,000 other Gracie’s. This one happens to work out of the media capital of the universe so I presume he gets more press and glitzier clientele than Billy Bob Gracie who teaches out of Butthole, Wyoming.

Im as big a Gracie nuthugger as the next guy having gone down to California to train there for a few months in the 1990′s and even when mediocre Gracies like Ryan used to fight, I used to watch….you know, just in case.
But dont try to sell us Renzo as some kind of legend.
He was a good fighter, not great and he has a great personality.
Plus brazilian accents are always cool when they know enough english to be undestood properly.

Thanks for the heads up about Redbelt Davey.
I had heard some about it but it was tucked away in teh back of my mind and forgotten. Ill go give it a shot.

I disagree comparing a documentary to a fiction film. Of course you wont get as much MMA in one as the other. Again, props to Davey for this point.

As for the ‘art’ and “a legacy and tradition dating back to feudal Japan, warriors, Samurai code,”, the guy is talking about specific martial arts which make up MMA not necessarily current MMA.
I see very little honour, humility, respect and other things that we teach to young kids in our judo/jujutsu classes. You see it in the GSP’s and a few others who were brought up as kids in martial arts environments. Wrestlers, strikers and brawlers, not so much.
So yes, you can say that MMA has a bit of those ancient qualities by osmosis but watch TUF and tell me where you see any of that in the future UFC champions of tomorrow?
I spend most of my time teaching those very concepts to kids (especially those with behavior problems) and take them to heart and current MMA is moving away from these and closer to fratboy mentality akin to WWF wrestling.

Am I gonna watch the doc?
Of course, its about MMA.
I once spend 2hrs of my life watching Mr.Wrong with Ellen Degeneres who I cant stand, I sure as hell can watch a documentary on Renzo Gracie.

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/comment-page-1/#comment-52752 Davey D Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:36:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7701#comment-52752 I am very interested to see the documentary. Renzo is very honest and straight forward, at least from what I've seen. He is the type of person you listen to very carefully when he speaks because he know's so much. I wonder if they'll share the fact that he was once stabed during a fight in Brazil. I saw Redbelt for the first time the other day. I thought it was an excellent film. It is not an MMA movie, it isn't really designed to be either. They speak of MMA and focus on the life of one fighter/instructor but the film is about many things. It tells us about Jiu-Jitsu mostly, the power of technique, life in general, how to face your fear's and a whole lot else. I wish I could thank David Mahmet personally because that film struck a cord with me. I'm a little upset I didn't see it on the big screen too. I highly recommend it if you like a good story. I am very interested to see the documentary. Renzo is very honest and straight forward, at least from what I’ve seen. He is the type of person you listen to very carefully when he speaks because he know’s so much. I wonder if they’ll share the fact that he was once stabed during a fight in Brazil.

I saw Redbelt for the first time the other day. I thought it was an excellent film. It is not an MMA movie, it isn’t really designed to be either. They speak of MMA and focus on the life of one fighter/instructor but the film is about many things. It tells us about Jiu-Jitsu mostly, the power of technique, life in general, how to face your fear’s and a whole lot else. I wish I could thank David Mahmet personally because that film struck a cord with me. I’m a little upset I didn’t see it on the big screen too. I highly recommend it if you like a good story.

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]]> By: cornerman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/comment-page-1/#comment-52745 cornerman Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:13:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7701#comment-52745 Renzo's upkick to the Russian Bear solidified his position and then he took it to a whole new level. I wish so much that he and Frank would rematch to set the story straight. Renzo’s upkick to the Russian Bear solidified his position and then he took it to a whole new level. I wish so much that he and Frank would rematch to set the story straight.

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]]> By: Bobby Buckwheat http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/09/one-on-one-with-the-director-of-renzo-gracie-legacy/comment-page-1/#comment-52699 Bobby Buckwheat Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:52:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=7701#comment-52699 I never comment because it's pointless, but I am so psyched for this movie. Renzo has always been a favorite of mine. The fact that he says he is writing a scrpit for an mma film excites me. From that last response it seems he wont make a hollywood streetfight movie with small gloves and will actually make a legitimate portrayal of this great sport. Thanks for the interview Sam. I never comment because it’s pointless, but I am so psyched for this movie. Renzo has always been a favorite of mine. The fact that he says he is writing a scrpit for an mma film excites me. From that last response it seems he wont make a hollywood streetfight movie with small gloves and will actually make a legitimate portrayal of this great sport. Thanks for the interview Sam.

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