Comments on: UFC 89 Full Results http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:11:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Tim http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-54109 Tim Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:16:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-54109 Some thoughts I have from UFC 89.. Enough of Brandon Vera, the guy bores me to death. Does he even want to fight ? Marcus Davis has incredible hands and now his ground game is catching up. He is so much fun to watch and easy to like Bisping is very good, whether anyone likes him or not, he is a very good fighter. The Taylor vs Lytle fight was excellent and even though I wanted Lytle to win, I didn't think he did. The Spider will KO Cote this weekend. Some thoughts I have from UFC 89..

Enough of Brandon Vera, the guy bores me to death. Does he even want to fight ?

Marcus Davis has incredible hands and now his ground game is catching up. He is so much fun to watch and easy to like

Bisping is very good, whether anyone likes him or not, he is a very good fighter.

The Taylor vs Lytle fight was excellent and even though I wanted Lytle to win, I didn’t think he did.

The Spider will KO Cote this weekend.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-54069 Rich S. Tue, 21 Oct 2008 06:14:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-54069 THESE COMMENTS SHOW ABSOLUTE IDIOCY! you have to be effin' kidding me! good lord people.. what's this crap about Bisping's "style"? The guy has put on exciting shows since day one in the UFC, and as soon as he gets his toughest, heaviest-handed, and most experienced opponent yet, he decides to play it safe.. in 18 fights Bisping as gone to 3 decisions.. and one of those was a loss to a current title contender.. he had the gameplan of a CHAMPION, in that he wanted to stay away from Leben's power.. chances are, if he didn't counter, he would've gotten rocked, or KO'd, THUS, he did the SMART thing, and avoided power shots.. good lord.. the man plays Machida [who, for some reason, gets all the respect in the world] for a night, and he's spat upon with comments like "Bisping has GOT to go - his kind of style is a cancer in the growing sport of televised MMA." and "If Bisping’s style epitomizes the current evolution of the sport interest will wane" those comments make me absolutely sick to my stomach.. what Bisping did in this fight [ that is, stayed away from any power shots and picked leben apart the likes of which we haven't seen since his lost to Silva] was a FIRST-TIME-OCCURENCE in Bisping's career to this date.. and you people call it his "style"? i'm embarrased for you.. THESE COMMENTS SHOW ABSOLUTE IDIOCY!

you have to be effin’ kidding me!

good lord people..

what’s this crap about Bisping’s “style”?

The guy has put on exciting shows since day one in the UFC, and as soon as he gets his toughest, heaviest-handed, and most experienced opponent yet, he decides to play it safe..

in 18 fights Bisping as gone to 3 decisions..
and one of those was a loss to a current title contender..

he had the gameplan of a CHAMPION, in that he wanted to stay away from Leben’s power..

chances are, if he didn’t counter, he would’ve gotten rocked, or KO’d, THUS, he did the SMART thing, and avoided power shots..

good lord..

the man plays Machida [who, for some reason, gets all the respect in the world] for a night, and he’s spat upon with comments like “Bisping has GOT to go – his kind of style is a cancer in the growing sport of televised MMA.” and “If Bisping’s style epitomizes the current evolution of the sport interest will wane”

those comments make me absolutely sick to my stomach..

what Bisping did in this fight [ that is, stayed away from any power shots and picked leben apart the likes of which we haven't seen since his lost to Silva] was a FIRST-TIME-OCCURENCE in Bisping’s career to this date..

and you people call it his “style”?

i’m embarrased for you..

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53989 Patrick Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:48:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53989 Carwin vs. Kongo please. Carwin vs. Kongo please.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53986 Imbecile Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:30:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53986 @ Ross - absolutely agree that the style employed by Bisping is a very poor evolution in this sport, and it will end up hurting it in the long run. You shouldn't fight with the goal of "Unanimous Decision" being the result. Jardine fought the same type of fight on Saturday, and he was boring, as well. Machida is the one who showed this can work, and in my opinion, it is the striker's version of LNP. Problem is, there are things an opponent can do, or learn to do, against a LNP wrestler. If someone wants to be "elusive" on the feet, there is nothing you can do, since they can just backpedal and pick their shots all day. There is just too much cage to effectively cut it off. @ Rich S. - Agree with you on everything! Vera just lacks confidence and looks like a different fighter. The skills are there, but the killer instinct is gone. However... one small defense of Vera's performance is that Jardine emploed a Bisping/Machida style strategy, and there isn't really a way to look exciting against this type of fighter. IMO, Jardine should be taking the same flack Bisping is getting for this, but everyone is focusing on criticising Ver (and rightly so), and not focusing on Jardine. Also, you are 100% right about the Lytle fight. People are judging it by who looked o be the fresher fighter, but Lytle clearly scored more points in the first two rounds, and for me, round 3 was even a toss up. @ dpk - great Hagler quote, and I think Carwin getting a shot at Herring or Kongo would be a great way to give him the step up in competition he needs, and also bring him onto the televised card. Carwin needs some television time, because eventually he is going to face Lesnar in a big money match. @ Ross – absolutely agree that the style employed by Bisping is a very poor evolution in this sport, and it will end up hurting it in the long run. You shouldn’t fight with the goal of “Unanimous Decision” being the result. Jardine fought the same type of fight on Saturday, and he was boring, as well. Machida is the one who showed this can work, and in my opinion, it is the striker’s version of LNP. Problem is, there are things an opponent can do, or learn to do, against a LNP wrestler. If someone wants to be “elusive” on the feet, there is nothing you can do, since they can just backpedal and pick their shots all day. There is just too much cage to effectively cut it off.

@ Rich S. – Agree with you on everything! Vera just lacks confidence and looks like a different fighter. The skills are there, but the killer instinct is gone.

However… one small defense of Vera’s performance is that Jardine emploed a Bisping/Machida style strategy, and there isn’t really a way to look exciting against this type of fighter. IMO, Jardine should be taking the same flack Bisping is getting for this, but everyone is focusing on criticising Ver (and rightly so), and not focusing on Jardine.

Also, you are 100% right about the Lytle fight. People are judging it by who looked o be the fresher fighter, but Lytle clearly scored more points in the first two rounds, and for me, round 3 was even a toss up.

@ dpk – great Hagler quote, and I think Carwin getting a shot at Herring or Kongo would be a great way to give him the step up in competition he needs, and also bring him onto the televised card. Carwin needs some television time, because eventually he is going to face Lesnar in a big money match.

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]]> By: mmac http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53964 mmac Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:42:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53964 I agree with most of the above posts. Bisping has GOT to go - his kind of style is a cancer in the growing sport of televised MMA. The Machida-style hit and run is frustrating for the casual fan to watch, and the experienced fan is shouting at the TV by round 2. I can't believe Dana is having this guy be the next coach on TUF - talk about tunnel vision. Dana, this doesn't HAVE to be US vs UK, you know. Try US vs. Brazil - there's lots of good fighters there! I bet the fanbase is better, too! Vera, likewise, has got to go. I was a fan of his a few years ago, something I bet lots of people are saying now. He's just lost the edge, and I don't see how he can get it back with only one more fight left on his contract. LHW is already stacked; you just don't need him around. I agree with most of the above posts. Bisping has GOT to go – his kind of style is a cancer in the growing sport of televised MMA. The Machida-style hit and run is frustrating for the casual fan to watch, and the experienced fan is shouting at the TV by round 2. I can’t believe Dana is having this guy be the next coach on TUF – talk about tunnel vision. Dana, this doesn’t HAVE to be US vs UK, you know. Try US vs. Brazil – there’s lots of good fighters there! I bet the fanbase is better, too!

Vera, likewise, has got to go. I was a fan of his a few years ago, something I bet lots of people are saying now. He’s just lost the edge, and I don’t see how he can get it back with only one more fight left on his contract. LHW is already stacked; you just don’t need him around.

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]]> By: kurt cobain http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53941 kurt cobain Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:53:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53941 brandon THE TRUTH vera rules. brandon THE TRUTH vera rules.

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]]> By: dpk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53938 dpk Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:34:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53938 I don't remember the exact quote, but Marvin Hagler once said something to the effect of, it isn't easy to get out of bed in the morning and train when your sleeping on silk sheets. I think that may explain why Vera has just been average since he got his big contract. I'm sure he is training hard, but he bought into the hype, and once he got the big contract, he believed that he had already accomplished something. I think he has 1 fight left on his contract, so I imagine that UFC will keep him around just to fight in the Philippines (maybe against Soku), unless he signs an extension for less than he is making now. To the guys who said this isn't as good as the EliteXC show, all I have to say is that just about any fighter from this show would go to EliteXC and be in a title fight with-in their first 2-3 fights (I'm not saying they would win, but they would be one of the top 5 as soon as they signed their contract). Just a few more things, I think Carwin v Herring or Congo should be made, this guy needs a serious step up in competition. The Miller brothers can both fight, that was a good signing by UFC. Cane is right in the category with Thiago Silva and Machida at this point, can't wait to see more of him. I don’t remember the exact quote, but Marvin Hagler once said something to the effect of, it isn’t easy to get out of bed in the morning and train when your sleeping on silk sheets. I think that may explain why Vera has just been average since he got his big contract. I’m sure he is training hard, but he bought into the hype, and once he got the big contract, he believed that he had already accomplished something. I think he has 1 fight left on his contract, so I imagine that UFC will keep him around just to fight in the Philippines (maybe against Soku), unless he signs an extension for less than he is making now.

To the guys who said this isn’t as good as the EliteXC show, all I have to say is that just about any fighter from this show would go to EliteXC and be in a title fight with-in their first 2-3 fights (I’m not saying they would win, but they would be one of the top 5 as soon as they signed their contract).

Just a few more things, I think Carwin v Herring or Congo should be made, this guy needs a serious step up in competition. The Miller brothers can both fight, that was a good signing by UFC. Cane is right in the category with Thiago Silva and Machida at this point, can’t wait to see more of him.

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]]> By: Mr.PIBB http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53930 Mr.PIBB Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:37:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53930 Thank you Ross. I totally agree with you. Although the Lytle-Taylor fight was an all out slobberknocker and you've got to give those two guys credit.They layed it all on the line and both of them have chins of adamantium. great fight. Thank you Ross. I totally agree with you. Although the Lytle-Taylor fight was an all out slobberknocker and you’ve got to give those two guys credit.They layed it all on the line and both of them have chins of adamantium. great fight.

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]]> By: CMT http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53928 CMT Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:20:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53928 Bisping and Leben was boring. I had a better time watching olympic boxing and it was also free. Bisping was more worried about pretty boy photo shoots than standing toe to toe. Yeah, sure he cut Leben, but come who has'nt. Leben was willing to put it all on the line and Bisping ran. Lytle / Taylor was great. Overall I am glad I did not have to pay for this. If you don't want to watch commercials invest in a DVR, beats the hell out of watching Saw V plugs and 5 minutes between rounds. Bisping and Leben was boring. I had a better time watching olympic boxing and it was also free. Bisping was more worried about pretty boy photo shoots than standing toe to toe. Yeah, sure he cut Leben, but come who has’nt. Leben was willing to put it all on the line and Bisping ran. Lytle / Taylor was great. Overall I am glad I did not have to pay for this. If you don’t want to watch commercials invest in a DVR, beats the hell out of watching Saw V plugs and 5 minutes between rounds.

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]]> By: Ross http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/18/ufc-89-full-results/comment-page-1/#comment-53927 Ross Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:57:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8099#comment-53927 "If Bisping’s style epitomizes the current evolution of the sport interest will wane." I couldt agree more- wtf happended to wanting to finish a fight......decisions dont bring in ppv dollars, the ufc will find that out soon......no one wants to watch a points fight, if we did we would still watch boxing for christ sake. “If Bisping’s style epitomizes the current evolution of the sport interest will wane.”

I couldt agree more- wtf happended to wanting to finish a fight……decisions dont bring in ppv dollars, the ufc will find that out soon……no one wants to watch a points fight, if we did we would still watch boxing for christ sake.

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