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	<title>Comments on: ProElite and EliteXC&#8217;s folding all but official</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/21/proelite-and-elitexcs-folding-all-but-official/comment-page-1/#comment-54204</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Funny that all this talk of failing and Pro Elite Stock (PELE.PK) is up $.75 in the last 2 hours.&quot;

Unless the stockholders/buyers anticipate a buyout or remaining assets at a higher rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Funny that all this talk of failing and Pro Elite Stock (PELE.PK) is up $.75 in the last 2 hours.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless the stockholders/buyers anticipate a buyout or remaining assets at a higher rate.
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hope WEC picks up Wilson Reis, that would be sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope WEC picks up Wilson Reis, that would be sweet.
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		<title>By: Dr.Stoppage</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/21/proelite-and-elitexcs-folding-all-but-official/comment-page-1/#comment-54182</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Stoppage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to hear about EXC.
But bless them for bringing on the entertainment big time,even if it was circuslike at times.
Can I still make fun of $kala?
Ideally other organizations can learn from their failure.
Let the Alvarez sweepstakes begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to hear about EXC.<br />
But bless them for bringing on the entertainment big time,even if it was circuslike at times.<br />
Can I still make fun of $kala?<br />
Ideally other organizations can learn from their failure.<br />
Let the Alvarez sweepstakes begin.
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		<title>By: Tony Fennen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Fennen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that all this talk of failing and Pro Elite Stock (PELE.PK) is up $.75 in the last 2 hours.

Usually companies that are failing dont do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that all this talk of failing and Pro Elite Stock (PELE.PK) is up $.75 in the last 2 hours.</p>
<p>Usually companies that are failing dont do this.
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		<title>By: HexRei</title>
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		<dc:creator>HexRei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the UFC will be picking up Ninja anytime soon. His record is too mangled, he hasn&#039;t had many quality wins lately and his recent rather ugly loss to Radach didn&#039;t improve that much. Although the UFC could use another contender for the MW division, If A. Silva retires as planned,  that issue will become less pressing. And would Ninja even want to fight Anderson? Didn&#039;t they train together at Chutebox, and aren&#039;t those guys notorious for refusing to face each other?</description>
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		<title>By: Guy Gaduois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Gaduois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dpk - Do you think Rua will be more or less attractive to the UFC depending on how his brother Shogun fares in his next UFC fight?.   
I had forgotten about Rogers - good catch there.

I don&#039;t think there has to be less fights because Elite goes in the tank; I think there can be more and better fights if the UFC has a bigger roster.   I&#039;m all for competition, but the NFL has shown a superior product and its competitors (USFL, XFL) have gone the way of the dinosaur.   
So far, the also -rans are simply proving the UFC&#039;s capacity to offer a better product via production values and matchups.

Elite doomed themselves and it appears that Affliction is doing the same.  The UFC&#039;s infrastructure is simply superior.  Let&#039;s not forget that the UFC weathered some very lean, tough times and were able to grind it out and now show profitability.   I don&#039;t see Affliction having that same long-term ability to support their product, and Elite simply ran out of gas just outside of Kettleman City.  (It&#039;s a metaphor for travel on the I-5 in California - Kettleman City is in the middle of nowhere, but sure looks attractive when you&#039;re on &quot;E&quot;.  I don&#039;t know who Elite expected to be their &quot;Kettleman City Savior&quot;, but it just didn&#039;t happen.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dpk &#8211; Do you think Rua will be more or less attractive to the UFC depending on how his brother Shogun fares in his next UFC fight?.<br />
I had forgotten about Rogers &#8211; good catch there.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there has to be less fights because Elite goes in the tank; I think there can be more and better fights if the UFC has a bigger roster.   I&#8217;m all for competition, but the NFL has shown a superior product and its competitors (USFL, XFL) have gone the way of the dinosaur.<br />
So far, the also -rans are simply proving the UFC&#8217;s capacity to offer a better product via production values and matchups.</p>
<p>Elite doomed themselves and it appears that Affliction is doing the same.  The UFC&#8217;s infrastructure is simply superior.  Let&#8217;s not forget that the UFC weathered some very lean, tough times and were able to grind it out and now show profitability.   I don&#8217;t see Affliction having that same long-term ability to support their product, and Elite simply ran out of gas just outside of Kettleman City.  (It&#8217;s a metaphor for travel on the I-5 in California &#8211; Kettleman City is in the middle of nowhere, but sure looks attractive when you&#8217;re on &#8220;E&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t know who Elite expected to be their &#8220;Kettleman City Savior&#8221;, but it just didn&#8217;t happen.)
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		<title>By: dpk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dpk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the UFC must haves are Shields, Lawler, and Alvarez.  Guys they will make solid offers too but not overpay for are Antonio Silva, Dave Herman, Nick Diaz, Benji Radach, Villasenor, Smith and Rua.  I would also expect UFC to offer low level contracts to Feijao (He trains with Silva and the Nog brother, so he has a good camp to sell his case to UFC), and Brett Rogers (8-0 265LBS HWs are not easy to find)

i think WEC will and should make offers for Nick Thompson, Paul Daley, maybe KJ Noons (I doubt he&#039;ll take it), and Wilson Reis.  I&#039;m sure a few other will be in there too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the UFC must haves are Shields, Lawler, and Alvarez.  Guys they will make solid offers too but not overpay for are Antonio Silva, Dave Herman, Nick Diaz, Benji Radach, Villasenor, Smith and Rua.  I would also expect UFC to offer low level contracts to Feijao (He trains with Silva and the Nog brother, so he has a good camp to sell his case to UFC), and Brett Rogers (8-0 265LBS HWs are not easy to find)</p>
<p>i think WEC will and should make offers for Nick Thompson, Paul Daley, maybe KJ Noons (I doubt he&#8217;ll take it), and Wilson Reis.  I&#8217;m sure a few other will be in there too.
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		<title>By: Justin Van Hook</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/21/proelite-and-elitexcs-folding-all-but-official/comment-page-1/#comment-54129</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Van Hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, goodbye free mma, let&#039;s hope Strikeforce and NBC can work something out. I guess I better stay away from mmajunkie.com, all the &quot;I told you so&quot; fools will be all over this story. Why a fan of the sport would ever be happy at the prospect of fewer shows is mind-boggling to me. Sure EliteXC had all kinds of shenanigans going on behind the scenes, but they put on some great fights and I for one will miss them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, goodbye free mma, let&#8217;s hope Strikeforce and NBC can work something out. I guess I better stay away from mmajunkie.com, all the &#8220;I told you so&#8221; fools will be all over this story. Why a fan of the sport would ever be happy at the prospect of fewer shows is mind-boggling to me. Sure EliteXC had all kinds of shenanigans going on behind the scenes, but they put on some great fights and I for one will miss them.
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		<title>By: Guy Gaduois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Gaduois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s on the list of &#039;must acquire&#039; (&quot;must&quot; being a very relative term) for the UFC?  Who will they be quick to scoop up?

Jake Shields, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Nick (I Toke You So) Diaz, would be at the top of the list -- especially Lawler, as talk of Anderson Silva&#039;s potential retirement rumbles become more of a roar.

Were it not for the cage v. ring question, I would think Affliction would scoop up Carano and Santos -  that could be an interesting aspect for Affliction to explore.  Carano is an incredible draw and Affliction has been very &#039;cagey&#039; about P.R. type stuff. 
Affliction will also pick up Kimbo.   Look for Ortiz v. Slice . . .

What&#039;s some other names the UFC would be interested in, I wonder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s on the list of &#8216;must acquire&#8217; (&#8221;must&#8221; being a very relative term) for the UFC?  Who will they be quick to scoop up?</p>
<p>Jake Shields, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Nick (I Toke You So) Diaz, would be at the top of the list &#8212; especially Lawler, as talk of Anderson Silva&#8217;s potential retirement rumbles become more of a roar.</p>
<p>Were it not for the cage v. ring question, I would think Affliction would scoop up Carano and Santos &#8211;  that could be an interesting aspect for Affliction to explore.  Carano is an incredible draw and Affliction has been very &#8216;cagey&#8217; about P.R. type stuff.<br />
Affliction will also pick up Kimbo.   Look for Ortiz v. Slice . . .</p>
<p>What&#8217;s some other names the UFC would be interested in, I wonder&#8230;
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		<title>By: Mike Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be sorry to see Elite fail.  The more MMA the better.  Maybe we can steer some federal bailout money their way.  That way I&#039;d have something to show for the cost of the bailout besides a sore sphincter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be sorry to see Elite fail.  The more MMA the better.  Maybe we can steer some federal bailout money their way.  That way I&#8217;d have something to show for the cost of the bailout besides a sore sphincter.
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