I think gina, tonya, and cyborg will all go to strike force and gina will get her first loss to tonya then they will both fight cyborg and then we will see evinger vs carano 3 for a belt.

why wouldn’t diaz go to UFC?

JMO

thx that was a geat laugh. good article Sam, but what about you? Im guessing your a ‘free agent’ now too as well or am i wrong

Rider, you’re dumb.

That’s pretty much the conclusion I came to.

Are you on crack?

“Your destination for MMA insider news and OPINION”

But I guess nobody is allowed to predict outcomes or offer opinions because you say it’s not good journalism and that it’s all “fanboy” crap. Guess nobody is allowed to say Silva will beat Cote, or that Couture will submit Lesnar, or that Mir will upset Nog, or that anything will happen at all.

Your basis for argument is flawed, and it’s absolutely mind boggling to me that you can’t see it.

So you know this to be an absolute fact, that the fighters are not provided with safety nets to protect themselves from contractually forced “dead time” if the contracting organization dissolves?

Or are you assuming that this is the case and then providing an opinion on what you believe the state of affairs is/could be?

“So let’s now call assuming all these fighters as free agents… which we know they are not”

No, you assume they are not free agents, some fighters could have very well already been released from their obligations. Unless you work for EXC or manage every single one of these fighters… you’re providing an assumption.

Have you ever read an editorial? An opinion section? Anything where people are allowed to express free ideas without overarching solid evidence, allowing them to postulate on what could be the state of nature in the future? Or do they not have that in whatever totalitarian anti-free thought and expression place you live in?

It’s an opinion piece you idiot, how many times do I have to explain that Sam didn’t say they WERE in fact free agents, he explained what he believes will happen, not what is exactly the state of affairs at this given moment.

You’re dense as hell man, I can’t think of any other reason that this wouldn’t be getting across to you, it just surprises me that any human being can be so damn dense.

my son rejects your reality, and would like to substitute his own.

Please get some experience in the real world before you make an argument…

The fighters only have the standard clauses which primarily is a certain number of fights guaranteed in a certain time frame and obviously the payment. Absent this guaranteed by the contract they don’t have a right to a release.

Since you don’t know anyone who has one of these contracts please go find someone with one so you don’t look so foolish.

I’m sure Sam can track one down or at least take the time to confirm what I already know since he is a “journalist”.

So let’s now call assuming all these fighters as free agents… which we know they are not – and let’s take it even a step further and assume that Proelite will just happily release all these contracts which so far they haven’t … and based on those assumptions let’s write a blog post fantasizing some possible outcomes and call it journalism.

It’s getting pathetic…

My whole point in all of this is instead of creating a fanboy forum post get on the phone and figure out why these fuckers are hesitating to give these fighters their release so they can at least benefit from free agency instead of them trying to whore these contracts out.

You know like real journalist stuff.

And I warn you before you reply… wait a week before you look even more foolish.

j.

You address this by saying that the article is a moot point whereas the article points correctly to the fact that the 2 fights existing on the EliteXC contract are now essentially buried. If you have any experience with basic contracts, there are typically “outs” for those people contractually obligated to perform services to a company that no longer exists. These “outs” may only come into play if the company is not purchased or reinstated in a specific time period, however they almost ALWAYS are there in order to protect the obligated entity.

The two fights will not happen, the fact that the contract states they are there is now besides the point, the only thing that will hold Noons for example is the time period in which his “out” may take place. The two fights are no longer an issue and thus are a “moot” point.

“Subjective? I called it hearsay because he is assuming these fighters are “free agents”.”

Clearly you are not familiar with the definition of the word SUBJECTIVE.

“No your article at this point is moot… The fact is if Sam did his homework he would know that not one of these fighters listed are in fact free agents…”

He didn’t say “right now these fighters are free agents completely, and at this very moment”, he alluded to the future state of being a free agent after EliteXC washes away. Reading comprehension is a terrific and underutilized tool these days I guess.

“and their contracts could be held up in bankruptcy court for months unless they get a release… Some of the fighters contracts won’t be in default for up to a year!”

ZOMG you totally made an assumption that some won’t be in default for like A YEAR… How dare you post such heresay. I hope my sardonic tone was strong enough there to reach through your monitor and throttle you.

“Whichever fighters aren’t released before bankruptcy is filed will have to wait until their contracts are in default to then have a right to demand a release otherwise whoever buys up the assets can sue the fighters and whatever organization is stupid enough to sign them without a release in hand.”

Or they could have written clauses in their contracts detailing what will occur to them should their contractual obligations end up in this very situation.

“And neither strikeforce or Zuffa will sign any of these fighters unless they have a release in hand.”

No really? Of course they won’t, however you can’t say when that release will be, what form it shall be in, or what any outcome of the situation is, you’re railing against heresay, opinion, and assumption while committing the very sins you mistakenly flog people with. For all you know, all of these fighters could have just been granted a release 12 minutes ago, even if that’s not the case, why is it such a sin to speculate on where they may or may not end up?

You have no basis for argument here, everything you’ve said is essentially self contradictory because of the basis of your critique and lack of any real analysis or what you are writing or what the original post had written within.

God forbid Sam, or any other writers of this blog express their opinions and thoughts on a matter without first consulting a damn psychic.

Maybe you guys should read the article again because here’s a direct quote from your “article”:

“K.J. Noons – The argument as to whether Noons is free to leave EliteXC with two fights left on his contract is a moot point. ”

No your article at this point is moot… The fact is if Sam did his homework he would know that not one of these fighters listed are in fact free agents…

and their contracts could be held up in bankruptcy court for months unless they get a release… Some of the fighters contracts won’t be in default for up to a year!

So what you call “journalism” is what I call a sherdog fanboy forum post.

Hellboy hansen and other fighters couldn’t fight for how long after the pride purchase?????

Whichever fighters aren’t released before bankruptcy is filed will have to wait until their contracts are in default to then have a right to demand a release otherwise whoever buys up the assets can sue the fighters and whatever organization is stupid enough to sign them without a release in hand.

And neither strikeforce or Zuffa will sign any of these fighters unless they have a release in hand.

So again please don’t confuse real journalism with a “fanboy” post.

It’s an opinion piece, try reading it first and having some basic comprehension of the topic before you start critiquing the write up without a base to stand on.

It’s a subjective piece that is trying to shine the light on the potential destinations for potential free agents.

When did all these freaking arm-chair journalism critics start appearing here, it’s like 2-3 of them every damn post.

Editor’s Note: Patrick, you raise an excellent question in your last sentence. My theory is that there are a great deal of people that are threatened and or jealous of the success of this website.

I repeat again… not one fighter has received a release yet…

So they are NOT free agents at the moment,

Please use some common sense before publishing your hearsay.

Editor’s Note: Okay, so the first argument didn’t work for you (that their contracts could be acquired through bankruptcy court) so you’ve moved on to a new one with even less validity. Where does the article say that the fighters are currently free agents? Do your research. If you did, you’d know that managers for many of the fighters listed in the article have already begun to negotiate with other promotions.