Comments on: Florida finds no wrong-doing on EliteXC’s part in “standgate” http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:14:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: KMac http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54653 KMac Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:38:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54653 The only thing that even hinted at a problem is that depite a knockout of the night bonus, there was no submission of the night bonus, It was financially benificial for a fighter to not go to the ground. That being said, if EliteXC really wanted to protect Kimbo, they never would have gone thru with the last minute replacement. 2 weeks before a fight is one thing, 4 hours before is insane. The only thing that even hinted at a problem is that depite a knockout of the night bonus, there was no submission of the night bonus,

It was financially benificial for a fighter to not go to the ground.

That being said, if EliteXC really wanted to protect Kimbo, they never would have gone thru with the last minute replacement. 2 weeks before a fight is one thing, 4 hours before is insane.

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]]> By: Stan the Caddy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54638 Stan the Caddy Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:51:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54638 "So rather than trust the word of multiple professional fighters and directors of the NSAC you would believe that EliteXC were illegally paying fighters in an attempt to increase the hype for a particular fighter?" Yes, that is exactly correct, especially since one of Pro Elites directors said that is what they were doing. There aren't too many people in the sport of MMA with a reputation like the one T. Jay Thompson holds so when he says that they were doing some shady shit, they were doing some shady shit. Also, here's an interesting quote from Keith Kizer: "Kizer said that about two weeks ago, he had a conversation with someone from ProElite whom he did not name. As later recalled in comments to MMAWeekly, Kizer recounted, "Someone affiliated with ProElite told me that the fighter (Kimbo) or his camp said that he had not been training to fight a Muay Thai specialist and thus he had not trained to defend Muay Thai-style kicks, so that he would agree to fight the proposed opponent if the opponent agreed not to use any such kicks, and that information was told to that opponent." “So rather than trust the word of multiple professional fighters and directors of the NSAC you would believe that EliteXC were illegally paying fighters in an attempt to increase the hype for a particular fighter?”

Yes, that is exactly correct, especially since one of Pro Elites directors said that is what they were doing. There aren’t too many people in the sport of MMA with a reputation like the one T. Jay Thompson holds so when he says that they were doing some shady shit, they were doing some shady shit. Also, here’s an interesting quote from Keith Kizer:

“Kizer said that about two weeks ago, he had a conversation with someone from ProElite whom he did not name. As later recalled in comments to MMAWeekly, Kizer recounted, “Someone affiliated with ProElite told me that the fighter (Kimbo) or his camp said that he had not been training to fight a Muay Thai specialist and thus he had not trained to defend Muay Thai-style kicks, so that he would agree to fight the proposed opponent if the opponent agreed not to use any such kicks, and that information was told to that opponent.”

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]]> By: Max http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54623 Max Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:57:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54623 So rather than trust the word of multiple professional fighters and directors of the NSAC you would believe that EliteXC were illegally paying fighters in an attempt to increase the hype for a particular fighter? I knew people didn't like Kimbo but... So rather than trust the word of multiple professional fighters and directors of the NSAC you would believe that EliteXC were illegally paying fighters in an attempt to increase the hype for a particular fighter? I knew people didn’t like Kimbo but…

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]]> By: Goomba http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54617 Goomba Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:29:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54617 Isn't it obvious that Seth, JT, or Abbot wouldn't admit to being paid off to lose? They don't want to be brought down and punished too. Isn’t it obvious that Seth, JT, or Abbot wouldn’t admit to being paid off to lose? They don’t want to be brought down and punished too.

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]]> By: Joseph http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54576 Joseph Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:58:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54576 Yeah, it is a shame that bloggers and media blew this up so bad, that EliteXC couldn't even be bought by CBS/Showtime. Yeah, it is a shame that bloggers and media blew this up so bad, that EliteXC couldn’t even be bought by CBS/Showtime.

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]]> By: Pete http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54574 Pete Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:42:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54574 Standgate wow that is so witty. Standgate wow that is so witty.

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]]> By: ACK! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54568 ACK! Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:36:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54568 This was nothing more than a witch hunt and, regardless of the outcome, the damage has been done. Apparently us fans and bloggers got what we wanted... This was nothing more than a witch hunt and, regardless of the outcome, the damage has been done. Apparently us fans and bloggers got what we wanted…

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]]> By: woooburn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54563 woooburn Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:12:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54563 didnt they essentially state after the fight, that they didn't think an investigation was even warranted? and thus only decided to go through with it because of public pressure? doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't "uncover" anything. also, the idea of tank abbott posing a submission threat to kimbo, and having to be cautioned against it, is hilarious to me. if only they'd let him go for that gogoplata! didnt they essentially state after the fight, that they didn’t think an investigation was even warranted? and thus only decided to go through with it because of public pressure? doesn’t surprise me that they wouldn’t “uncover” anything.

also, the idea of tank abbott posing a submission threat to kimbo, and having to be cautioned against it, is hilarious to me. if only they’d let him go for that gogoplata!

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]]> By: Stan the Caddy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/24/florida-finds-no-wrong-doing-on-elitexcs-part-in-standgate/comment-page-1/#comment-54562 Stan the Caddy Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:10:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8202#comment-54562 No mention from them about the thai kicks not being allowed or T. Jay Thompson's comments. This story is far from done, imho. <em>Stan, I agree that this situation isn't done. However, the statement we received mentioned nothing about the Thai kicks, which, by the way, we were the first to reveal earlier this week after we were first notified about it last week. In regard to T. Jay Thompson's comments, make sure you read my CBSSports.com article this weekend :)</em> No mention from them about the thai kicks not being allowed or T. Jay Thompson’s comments. This story is far from done, imho.

Stan, I agree that this situation isn’t done. However, the statement we received mentioned nothing about the Thai kicks, which, by the way, we were the first to reveal earlier this week after we were first notified about it last week. In regard to T. Jay Thompson’s comments, make sure you read my CBSSports.com article this weekend :)

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