Comments on: Silva’s friends in high places prove to be fair-weather http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:45:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55272 darkmetal Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55272 Sam 1/Dana 0 I agree totally, Sam. But I think we sometimes miss Dana White's tactical badmouth in relation to fighters. We know that Anderson is considering retiring, and it does make me ponder whether Dana isn't telling Silva that he has so much talent he should use it and keep fighting. It might be a verbal challenge to the world's numero uno p4p fighter to keep going or just retire. Silva is an amazing specimen and he has so much he can still do in MMA, I would hate to see him toy with his lesser opponents for a few fights and then retire. He can do so much MORE and achieve even higher levels by moving up a weight class. Perhaps this is what Dana White was saying, in his own rather irritating way. I wouldn't put it past him. Sam 1/Dana 0

I agree totally, Sam. But I think we sometimes miss Dana White’s tactical badmouth in relation to fighters. We know that Anderson is considering retiring, and it does make me ponder whether Dana isn’t telling Silva that he has so much talent he should use it and keep fighting. It might be a verbal challenge to the world’s numero uno p4p fighter to keep going or just retire.

Silva is an amazing specimen and he has so much he can still do in MMA, I would hate to see him toy with his lesser opponents for a few fights and then retire. He can do so much MORE and achieve even higher levels by moving up a weight class.

Perhaps this is what Dana White was saying, in his own rather irritating way. I wouldn’t put it past him.

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]]> By: Danny Boy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55253 Danny Boy Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:30:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55253 and neosam, i agree, silva didnt play around vs cote in my opinion, i told so many people somthing strange was in the air, that cote was going to lose but to great against silva and mabey even pull of the upst of a lifetime, with all the clips around of silvas 2 knee strikes and great straight punch, i see no clips of cotes counter punches that landed. and there were a few. conspiracy theorists are stupid, silva doesnt throw rounds, get a life,,, and neosam, i agree, silva didnt play around vs cote in my opinion, i told so many people somthing strange was in the air, that cote was going to lose but to great against silva and mabey even pull of the upst of a lifetime, with all the clips around of silvas 2 knee strikes and great straight punch, i see no clips of cotes counter punches that landed. and there were a few. conspiracy theorists are stupid, silva doesnt throw rounds, get a life,,,

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]]> By: Danny Boy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55252 Danny Boy Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55252 so many dream fights, penn pierre, couture fedor, liddell silva blah blah, but what if couture beats lesnar, any possibility of couture meeting silva in a catch weight at 205? couture might not be the best fighter, but he has the best name, and both fighters could easily get to that weight.......couture can close the distance, clinch for a second, then expose silvas wrestling weakness.......someone please tell me what you think, and if you agree, start this rumor, every other ufc gets claimed as "biggest in ufc history", this one might make sense so many dream fights, penn pierre, couture fedor, liddell silva blah blah, but what if couture beats lesnar, any possibility of couture meeting silva in a catch weight at 205? couture might not be the best fighter, but he has the best name, and both fighters could easily get to that weight…….couture can close the distance, clinch for a second, then expose silvas wrestling weakness…….someone please tell me what you think, and if you agree, start this rumor, every other ufc gets claimed as “biggest in ufc history”, this one might make sense

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]]> By: neosamurai http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55184 neosamurai Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:30:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55184 Cote has a monster chin and a huge right hand. Two things that Silva would have considered when putting together a gameplan. I think it's ridiculous to critisize that performance. To many people sit by the keyboard and type shit about how Silva should have just rolled through Cote. Wake up call people!!! Silva is always methodical until his opponent presents an oppurtunity to him. Cote took all Silva's shots well and continually moved his head thus limiting striking opportunities for the Champ. In my opinion Silva did NOTHING wrong at all but then again I was never on the bandwagon for Silva being P4P King. Fedor holds that title clearly. He's never lost (cuts don't count) where as Silva has lost four (including a sub to Daijiu Takase). Enough said !!!!!!!! Cote has a monster chin and a huge right hand. Two things that Silva would have considered when putting together a gameplan. I think it’s ridiculous to critisize that performance. To many people sit by the keyboard and type shit about how Silva should have just rolled through Cote. Wake up call people!!!
Silva is always methodical until his opponent presents an oppurtunity to him. Cote took all Silva’s shots well and continually moved his head thus limiting striking opportunities for the Champ. In my opinion Silva did NOTHING wrong at all but then again I was never on the bandwagon for Silva being P4P King. Fedor holds that title clearly. He’s never lost (cuts don’t count) where as Silva has lost four (including a sub to Daijiu Takase). Enough said !!!!!!!!

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]]> By: chamber http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55177 chamber Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:42:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55177 Last night was weird for Silva, He looked a bit disinterested, i think he is at a point of his career now that he has so few challenges left that he lacks the same drive and motivation he had at the start of his UFC career. He has basically dominated everyone they have put in front of him so i don't blame losing that edge. He also started talking about retiring sometime so that is another proof that he is loosing his drive a bit. I do however think that he Cote did injure his leg Silva would of then turned it back on and wipe the floor with Cote, i think this was a 5 rounder so there was a lot of time. We would all then be praising Silva on how he can play around and still kick the ass of other fighters. Props to Cote though, was never impressed with him before but at least he did not seem as afraid or in awe of Silva as som of the others. Last night was weird for Silva, He looked a bit disinterested, i think he is at a point of his career now that he has so few challenges left that he lacks the same drive and motivation he had at the start of his UFC career. He has basically dominated everyone they have put in front of him so i don’t blame losing that edge. He also started talking about retiring sometime so that is another proof that he is loosing his drive a bit. I do however think that he Cote did injure his leg Silva would of then turned it back on and wipe the floor with Cote, i think this was a 5 rounder so there was a lot of time. We would all then be praising Silva on how he can play around and still kick the ass of other fighters.

Props to Cote though, was never impressed with him before but at least he did not seem as afraid or in awe of Silva as som of the others.

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]]> By: madheartmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55166 madheartmma Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:04:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55166 Who knows what Silva’s game plan was or what he was thinking!!?? (NO ONE) Maybe he had someone call Vegas, and bet that Cote would make it till the 3rd round and won a huge bet for $1,000,000!!! Ha ha. Cote wasn’t doing that bad. He took some hard shots, and landed some shots on Silva as well. And the middleweight division IS thin. Silva’s beat the 2 top guys in Henderson& Franklin. So Cote was next because he won his last string of fights, and KO’d a couple guys. I’m glad Cote was such a GAME opponent ! He wasn’t scared @ all. And he DID have a punchers chance, I mean that’s why they fight…cuz you NEVER know. Remember Serra vs. GSP ? And remember the 1st Couture vs. Belfort?(UFC 15) When everyone thought Belfort was unbeatable, & Couture was an older, unknown wrestler…ya NEVER know. I (my opinion) still think that Silva has to beat a couple more top- notch guys before calling him the BEST Fighter EVER? GSP has beaten(*=Champions) Karo Parisyan, *Matt Hughes… twice, The Great *BJ Penn, Josh Koscheck, *Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch, and other guys that where higher caliber fighters than what Silva has faced (Besides Henderson & Franklin) so far. Just My Opinion. Silva is definitely one of the BEST EVER, but the middleweight division is thin, let him fight guys in 205 like Liddell, Rampage, Rashad Evans, F.Griffin, Machida…etc.,etc.and all the others. Don’t throw him a James Irvin, throw him Keith Jardine, or S. Bonnar, then you could make a better case for “THE BEST FIGHTER EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF MMA”! I heard the spider walks around @ 215lbs!! (Joe Rogan) When him and GSP fight, that will be epic! But, GSP walks around at 185-187lbs though, so the advantage will definitely go to Silva. And another thing …WTF is with these SORRY ASS Ref’s??!! Where the F#%K Did the UFC get those clowns!!! When Jr. Dos Santos KO’d Fabricio Werdum, the ref was looking up at the big screen!! Then after Werdum was already buckeled up and folded, knocked –out obviously, he let him take 3-4 more BIG shots, Werdum was on queer street, he though he was still fighting 1 minute after the fight was over!Good job ref. And when Rich Clementi & Gray Maynard where fighting, the ref kept saying “let’s see some action, I’m gonna stand you up, you gotta do something, you gotta work” It’s like WTF do you think they are doing? It’s called Mixed Martial Arts dick-weed! You know jujitsu? Wrestling? Submission attempts? I think MMA refs should practice MMA or JUJITSU, or at least be more educated about the sport. Yeah you don’t want guys laying on each other, and you want action, but these guys where working for positions. Bad refs messed up that fight with “Big Country” Roy Nelson vs. Andrei Arlovski.(EliteXC-CBS) Nelson totally was working on a submission attempt on Arlovski, and totally had him in BIG trouble and then the ref stands them up! And about the fight card being paper thin?? The pay-per-view was paper-thin, we didn’t get our money’s worth. Thanks Dana White. But the card, with Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca, Marcus Aurelio, Josh Burkman, Pete “Drago” Sell. Good fights, but Dana White jips every one, by showing the same pre-fight hype clip, about only 2 of the fights, over & over for 30 minutes. Come on man, if the fights don’t live up to the hype..show some more free, better know fighters! Oh yeah, he wants you to pay $1.99, and watch them from the UFC “vault”. Give more in-depth info on all the fighters .( Records, backgrounds etc.)The UFC is worth a BILLION $$. Give us what we pay for, like 8 out of 10 fights. You already raised the price on PPV. Dick. Who knows what Silva’s game plan was or what he was thinking!!?? (NO ONE) Maybe he had someone call Vegas, and bet that Cote would make it till the 3rd round and won a huge bet for $1,000,000!!! Ha ha. Cote wasn’t doing that bad. He took some hard shots, and landed some shots on Silva as well. And the middleweight division IS thin. Silva’s beat the 2 top guys in Henderson& Franklin. So Cote was next because he won his last string of fights, and KO’d a couple guys. I’m glad Cote was such a GAME opponent ! He wasn’t scared @ all. And he DID have a punchers chance, I mean that’s why they fight…cuz you NEVER know. Remember Serra vs. GSP ? And remember the 1st Couture vs. Belfort?(UFC 15) When everyone thought Belfort was unbeatable, & Couture was an older, unknown wrestler…ya NEVER know. I (my opinion) still think that Silva has to beat a couple more top- notch guys before calling him the BEST Fighter EVER? GSP has beaten(*=Champions) Karo Parisyan, *Matt Hughes… twice, The Great *BJ Penn, Josh Koscheck, *Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch, and other guys that where higher caliber fighters than what Silva has faced (Besides Henderson & Franklin) so far. Just My Opinion. Silva is definitely one of the BEST EVER, but the middleweight division is thin, let him fight guys in 205 like Liddell, Rampage, Rashad Evans, F.Griffin, Machida…etc.,etc.and all the others. Don’t throw him a James Irvin, throw him Keith Jardine, or S. Bonnar, then you could make a better case for “THE BEST FIGHTER EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF MMA”! I heard the spider walks around @ 215lbs!! (Joe Rogan) When him and GSP fight, that will be epic! But, GSP walks around at 185-187lbs though, so the advantage will definitely go to Silva. And another thing …WTF is with these SORRY ASS Ref’s??!! Where the F#%K Did the UFC get those clowns!!! When Jr. Dos Santos KO’d Fabricio Werdum, the ref was looking up at the big screen!! Then after Werdum was already buckeled up and folded, knocked –out obviously, he let him take 3-4 more BIG shots, Werdum was on queer street, he though he was still fighting 1 minute after the fight was over!Good job ref. And when Rich Clementi & Gray Maynard where fighting, the ref kept saying “let’s see some action, I’m gonna stand you up, you gotta do something, you gotta work” It’s like WTF do you think they are doing? It’s called Mixed Martial Arts dick-weed! You know jujitsu? Wrestling? Submission attempts? I think MMA refs should practice MMA or JUJITSU, or at least be more educated about the sport. Yeah you don’t want guys laying on each other, and you want action, but these guys where working for positions. Bad refs messed up that fight with “Big Country” Roy Nelson vs. Andrei Arlovski.(EliteXC-CBS) Nelson totally was working on a submission attempt on Arlovski, and totally had him in BIG trouble and then the ref stands them up! And about the fight card being paper thin?? The pay-per-view was paper-thin, we didn’t get our money’s worth. Thanks Dana White. But the card, with Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca, Marcus Aurelio, Josh Burkman, Pete “Drago” Sell. Good fights, but Dana White jips every one, by showing the same pre-fight hype clip, about only 2 of the fights, over & over for 30 minutes. Come on man, if the fights don’t live up to the hype..show some more free, better know fighters! Oh yeah, he wants you to pay $1.99, and watch them from the UFC “vault”. Give more in-depth info on all the fighters .( Records, backgrounds etc.)The UFC is worth a BILLION $$. Give us what we pay for, like 8 out of 10 fights. You already raised the price on PPV. Dick.

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]]> By: batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55158 batman Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:56:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55158 silva is all hype he beats the crap out of the ufc middleweight division yet that division is the worst in my eyes. Silva needs to move up to light heavyweight so he can get his a** beat by the best. silva is all hype he beats the crap out of the ufc middleweight division yet that division is the worst in my eyes. Silva needs to move up to light heavyweight so he can get his a** beat by the best.

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]]> By: JOE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55150 JOE Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:09:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55150 Sam: I won't even bother reading the other comments. You were right on about everything. There's nothing left to say. Props. Joe, from Chile Sam:
I won’t even bother reading the other comments. You were right on about everything. There’s nothing left to say. Props.

Joe, from Chile

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]]> By: monsoon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55132 monsoon Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:04:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55132 You're right, Sam. Nice to still find some people who don't just go for stats, knock-outs, and that sort of entertainment. No idea what Silva really thought, but any of these "plying around" assumptions is without proof. Cote did not simply jump on Silva (only once, and he ended on the ground) and Silva played a masterful game - as did Cote as far as his options allowed. I'm really sorry the fight could not continue. As far as I remeber, none of the two fighters played the boring and usual "i will knock him out in the second round" loud-talking game, and so was the fight: interesting, always full of tension, much better though than most of the other televised bouts. MMA itself is not about knockouts, blood, brawling and the like, although popular events sell it like that and this also effects much of the fights. MMA is about winning a fight (ok, I dislike the scoring and judging system in the ufc/United States and prefer japanese versions or better the old gracie-like "till the very end" system). You’re right, Sam. Nice to still find some people who don’t just go for stats, knock-outs, and that sort of entertainment.
No idea what Silva really thought, but any of these “plying around” assumptions is without proof. Cote did not simply jump on Silva (only once, and he ended on the ground) and Silva played a masterful game – as did Cote as far as his options allowed. I’m really sorry the fight could not continue.
As far as I remeber, none of the two fighters played the boring and usual “i will knock him out in the second round” loud-talking game, and so was the fight: interesting, always full of tension, much better though than most of the other televised bouts.
MMA itself is not about knockouts, blood, brawling and the like, although popular events sell it like that and this also effects much of the fights. MMA is about winning a fight (ok, I dislike the scoring and judging system in the ufc/United States and prefer japanese versions or better the old gracie-like “till the very end” system).

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]]> By: blah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55131 blah Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:02:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55131 "Is it any wonder why the man is considering retiring at the age of 35?" It shouldn't be to anyone who has followed Dana White and his way of doing business over the years. The boy has a reputation for shitting on his fighters behind the scenes and then trying to smooth everything over in the public eye. Dana White's idiocy and the fact that nothing is being done about LnP and "Elusiveness"/RUNNING in the fights is why I no longer buy the PPVs. Although, if Dana's comments were limited to what you wrote in this article, I'd have to defend him in this case. 1) The comments weren't really that bad. 2) The comments he made were accurate for a change. Personally, I got irritated with Silva's adoption of the so-called "elusive" tactics that have become contagious in recent UFCs. Silva in his previous fights = elusive in the true meaning of the word. Silva in the Cote fight = running and waiting for Cote to trip over his own dick. Silva is an amazing fighter, but he didn't show it this weekend. As for fans whining about the bow and offering to help Cote up. Fuck 'em, that just exposes them as haters. That and a few flashes of Silva's brilliance were the only positive moments in an otherwise boring fight. “Is it any wonder why the man is considering retiring at the age of 35?”

It shouldn’t be to anyone who has followed Dana White and his way of doing business over the years. The boy has a reputation for shitting on his fighters behind the scenes and then trying to smooth everything over in the public eye. Dana White’s idiocy and the fact that nothing is being done about LnP and “Elusiveness”/RUNNING in the fights is why I no longer buy the PPVs.

Although, if Dana’s comments were limited to what you wrote in this article, I’d have to defend him in this case. 1) The comments weren’t really that bad. 2) The comments he made were accurate for a change.

Personally, I got irritated with Silva’s adoption of the so-called “elusive” tactics that have become contagious in recent UFCs. Silva in his previous fights = elusive in the true meaning of the word. Silva in the Cote fight = running and waiting for Cote to trip over his own dick. Silva is an amazing fighter, but he didn’t show it this weekend.

As for fans whining about the bow and offering to help Cote up. Fuck ‘em, that just exposes them as haters. That and a few flashes of Silva’s brilliance were the only positive moments in an otherwise boring fight.

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