Comments on: Silva’s friends in high places prove to be fair-weather http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55272 darkmetal Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55272 Sam 1/Dana 0 I agree totally, Sam. But I think we sometimes miss Dana White's tactical badmouth in relation to fighters. We know that Anderson is considering retiring, and it does make me ponder whether Dana isn't telling Silva that he has so much talent he should use it and keep fighting. It might be a verbal challenge to the world's numero uno p4p fighter to keep going or just retire. Silva is an amazing specimen and he has so much he can still do in MMA, I would hate to see him toy with his lesser opponents for a few fights and then retire. He can do so much MORE and achieve even higher levels by moving up a weight class. Perhaps this is what Dana White was saying, in his own rather irritating way. I wouldn't put it past him. Sam 1/Dana 0

I agree totally, Sam. But I think we sometimes miss Dana White’s tactical badmouth in relation to fighters. We know that Anderson is considering retiring, and it does make me ponder whether Dana isn’t telling Silva that he has so much talent he should use it and keep fighting. It might be a verbal challenge to the world’s numero uno p4p fighter to keep going or just retire.

Silva is an amazing specimen and he has so much he can still do in MMA, I would hate to see him toy with his lesser opponents for a few fights and then retire. He can do so much MORE and achieve even higher levels by moving up a weight class.

Perhaps this is what Dana White was saying, in his own rather irritating way. I wouldn’t put it past him.

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]]> By: Danny Boy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55253 Danny Boy Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:30:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55253 and neosam, i agree, silva didnt play around vs cote in my opinion, i told so many people somthing strange was in the air, that cote was going to lose but to great against silva and mabey even pull of the upst of a lifetime, with all the clips around of silvas 2 knee strikes and great straight punch, i see no clips of cotes counter punches that landed. and there were a few. conspiracy theorists are stupid, silva doesnt throw rounds, get a life,,, and neosam, i agree, silva didnt play around vs cote in my opinion, i told so many people somthing strange was in the air, that cote was going to lose but to great against silva and mabey even pull of the upst of a lifetime, with all the clips around of silvas 2 knee strikes and great straight punch, i see no clips of cotes counter punches that landed. and there were a few. conspiracy theorists are stupid, silva doesnt throw rounds, get a life,,,

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]]> By: Danny Boy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55252 Danny Boy Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:26:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55252 so many dream fights, penn pierre, couture fedor, liddell silva blah blah, but what if couture beats lesnar, any possibility of couture meeting silva in a catch weight at 205? couture might not be the best fighter, but he has the best name, and both fighters could easily get to that weight.......couture can close the distance, clinch for a second, then expose silvas wrestling weakness.......someone please tell me what you think, and if you agree, start this rumor, every other ufc gets claimed as "biggest in ufc history", this one might make sense so many dream fights, penn pierre, couture fedor, liddell silva blah blah, but what if couture beats lesnar, any possibility of couture meeting silva in a catch weight at 205? couture might not be the best fighter, but he has the best name, and both fighters could easily get to that weight…….couture can close the distance, clinch for a second, then expose silvas wrestling weakness…….someone please tell me what you think, and if you agree, start this rumor, every other ufc gets claimed as “biggest in ufc history”, this one might make sense

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]]> By: neosamurai http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55184 neosamurai Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:30:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55184 Cote has a monster chin and a huge right hand. Two things that Silva would have considered when putting together a gameplan. I think it's ridiculous to critisize that performance. To many people sit by the keyboard and type shit about how Silva should have just rolled through Cote. Wake up call people!!! Silva is always methodical until his opponent presents an oppurtunity to him. Cote took all Silva's shots well and continually moved his head thus limiting striking opportunities for the Champ. In my opinion Silva did NOTHING wrong at all but then again I was never on the bandwagon for Silva being P4P King. Fedor holds that title clearly. He's never lost (cuts don't count) where as Silva has lost four (including a sub to Daijiu Takase). Enough said !!!!!!!! Cote has a monster chin and a huge right hand. Two things that Silva would have considered when putting together a gameplan. I think it’s ridiculous to critisize that performance. To many people sit by the keyboard and type shit about how Silva should have just rolled through Cote. Wake up call people!!!
Silva is always methodical until his opponent presents an oppurtunity to him. Cote took all Silva’s shots well and continually moved his head thus limiting striking opportunities for the Champ. In my opinion Silva did NOTHING wrong at all but then again I was never on the bandwagon for Silva being P4P King. Fedor holds that title clearly. He’s never lost (cuts don’t count) where as Silva has lost four (including a sub to Daijiu Takase). Enough said !!!!!!!!

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]]> By: chamber http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55177 chamber Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:42:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55177 Last night was weird for Silva, He looked a bit disinterested, i think he is at a point of his career now that he has so few challenges left that he lacks the same drive and motivation he had at the start of his UFC career. He has basically dominated everyone they have put in front of him so i don't blame losing that edge. He also started talking about retiring sometime so that is another proof that he is loosing his drive a bit. I do however think that he Cote did injure his leg Silva would of then turned it back on and wipe the floor with Cote, i think this was a 5 rounder so there was a lot of time. We would all then be praising Silva on how he can play around and still kick the ass of other fighters. Props to Cote though, was never impressed with him before but at least he did not seem as afraid or in awe of Silva as som of the others. Last night was weird for Silva, He looked a bit disinterested, i think he is at a point of his career now that he has so few challenges left that he lacks the same drive and motivation he had at the start of his UFC career. He has basically dominated everyone they have put in front of him so i don’t blame losing that edge. He also started talking about retiring sometime so that is another proof that he is loosing his drive a bit. I do however think that he Cote did injure his leg Silva would of then turned it back on and wipe the floor with Cote, i think this was a 5 rounder so there was a lot of time. We would all then be praising Silva on how he can play around and still kick the ass of other fighters.

Props to Cote though, was never impressed with him before but at least he did not seem as afraid or in awe of Silva as som of the others.

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]]> By: madheartmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55166 madheartmma Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:04:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55166 Who knows what Silva’s game plan was or what he was thinking!!?? (NO ONE) Maybe he had someone call Vegas, and bet that Cote would make it till the 3rd round and won a huge bet for $1,000,000!!! Ha ha. Cote wasn’t doing that bad. He took some hard shots, and landed some shots on Silva as well. And the middleweight division IS thin. Silva’s beat the 2 top guys in Henderson& Franklin. So Cote was next because he won his last string of fights, and KO’d a couple guys. I’m glad Cote was such a GAME opponent ! He wasn’t scared @ all. And he DID have a punchers chance, I mean that’s why they fight…cuz you NEVER know. Remember Serra vs. GSP ? And remember the 1st Couture vs. Belfort?(UFC 15) When everyone thought Belfort was unbeatable, & Couture was an older, unknown wrestler…ya NEVER know. I (my opinion) still think that Silva has to beat a couple more top- notch guys before calling him the BEST Fighter EVER? GSP has beaten(*=Champions) Karo Parisyan, *Matt Hughes… twice, The Great *BJ Penn, Josh Koscheck, *Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch, and other guys that where higher caliber fighters than what Silva has faced (Besides Henderson & Franklin) so far. Just My Opinion. Silva is definitely one of the BEST EVER, but the middleweight division is thin, let him fight guys in 205 like Liddell, Rampage, Rashad Evans, F.Griffin, Machida…etc.,etc.and all the others. Don’t throw him a James Irvin, throw him Keith Jardine, or S. Bonnar, then you could make a better case for “THE BEST FIGHTER EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF MMA”! I heard the spider walks around @ 215lbs!! (Joe Rogan) When him and GSP fight, that will be epic! But, GSP walks around at 185-187lbs though, so the advantage will definitely go to Silva. And another thing …WTF is with these SORRY ASS Ref’s??!! Where the F#%K Did the UFC get those clowns!!! When Jr. Dos Santos KO’d Fabricio Werdum, the ref was looking up at the big screen!! Then after Werdum was already buckeled up and folded, knocked –out obviously, he let him take 3-4 more BIG shots, Werdum was on queer street, he though he was still fighting 1 minute after the fight was over!Good job ref. And when Rich Clementi & Gray Maynard where fighting, the ref kept saying “let’s see some action, I’m gonna stand you up, you gotta do something, you gotta work” It’s like WTF do you think they are doing? It’s called Mixed Martial Arts dick-weed! You know jujitsu? Wrestling? Submission attempts? I think MMA refs should practice MMA or JUJITSU, or at least be more educated about the sport. Yeah you don’t want guys laying on each other, and you want action, but these guys where working for positions. Bad refs messed up that fight with “Big Country” Roy Nelson vs. Andrei Arlovski.(EliteXC-CBS) Nelson totally was working on a submission attempt on Arlovski, and totally had him in BIG trouble and then the ref stands them up! And about the fight card being paper thin?? The pay-per-view was paper-thin, we didn’t get our money’s worth. Thanks Dana White. But the card, with Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca, Marcus Aurelio, Josh Burkman, Pete “Drago” Sell. Good fights, but Dana White jips every one, by showing the same pre-fight hype clip, about only 2 of the fights, over & over for 30 minutes. Come on man, if the fights don’t live up to the hype..show some more free, better know fighters! Oh yeah, he wants you to pay $1.99, and watch them from the UFC “vault”. Give more in-depth info on all the fighters .( Records, backgrounds etc.)The UFC is worth a BILLION $$. Give us what we pay for, like 8 out of 10 fights. You already raised the price on PPV. Dick. Who knows what Silva’s game plan was or what he was thinking!!?? (NO ONE) Maybe he had someone call Vegas, and bet that Cote would make it till the 3rd round and won a huge bet for $1,000,000!!! Ha ha. Cote wasn’t doing that bad. He took some hard shots, and landed some shots on Silva as well. And the middleweight division IS thin. Silva’s beat the 2 top guys in Henderson& Franklin. So Cote was next because he won his last string of fights, and KO’d a couple guys. I’m glad Cote was such a GAME opponent ! He wasn’t scared @ all. And he DID have a punchers chance, I mean that’s why they fight…cuz you NEVER know. Remember Serra vs. GSP ? And remember the 1st Couture vs. Belfort?(UFC 15) When everyone thought Belfort was unbeatable, & Couture was an older, unknown wrestler…ya NEVER know. I (my opinion) still think that Silva has to beat a couple more top- notch guys before calling him the BEST Fighter EVER? GSP has beaten(*=Champions) Karo Parisyan, *Matt Hughes… twice, The Great *BJ Penn, Josh Koscheck, *Sean Sherk, Jon Fitch, and other guys that where higher caliber fighters than what Silva has faced (Besides Henderson & Franklin) so far. Just My Opinion. Silva is definitely one of the BEST EVER, but the middleweight division is thin, let him fight guys in 205 like Liddell, Rampage, Rashad Evans, F.Griffin, Machida…etc.,etc.and all the others. Don’t throw him a James Irvin, throw him Keith Jardine, or S. Bonnar, then you could make a better case for “THE BEST FIGHTER EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF MMA”! I heard the spider walks around @ 215lbs!! (Joe Rogan) When him and GSP fight, that will be epic! But, GSP walks around at 185-187lbs though, so the advantage will definitely go to Silva. And another thing …WTF is with these SORRY ASS Ref’s??!! Where the F#%K Did the UFC get those clowns!!! When Jr. Dos Santos KO’d Fabricio Werdum, the ref was looking up at the big screen!! Then after Werdum was already buckeled up and folded, knocked –out obviously, he let him take 3-4 more BIG shots, Werdum was on queer street, he though he was still fighting 1 minute after the fight was over!Good job ref. And when Rich Clementi & Gray Maynard where fighting, the ref kept saying “let’s see some action, I’m gonna stand you up, you gotta do something, you gotta work” It’s like WTF do you think they are doing? It’s called Mixed Martial Arts dick-weed! You know jujitsu? Wrestling? Submission attempts? I think MMA refs should practice MMA or JUJITSU, or at least be more educated about the sport. Yeah you don’t want guys laying on each other, and you want action, but these guys where working for positions. Bad refs messed up that fight with “Big Country” Roy Nelson vs. Andrei Arlovski.(EliteXC-CBS) Nelson totally was working on a submission attempt on Arlovski, and totally had him in BIG trouble and then the ref stands them up! And about the fight card being paper thin?? The pay-per-view was paper-thin, we didn’t get our money’s worth. Thanks Dana White. But the card, with Spencer Fisher, Hermes Franca, Marcus Aurelio, Josh Burkman, Pete “Drago” Sell. Good fights, but Dana White jips every one, by showing the same pre-fight hype clip, about only 2 of the fights, over & over for 30 minutes. Come on man, if the fights don’t live up to the hype..show some more free, better know fighters! Oh yeah, he wants you to pay $1.99, and watch them from the UFC “vault”. Give more in-depth info on all the fighters .( Records, backgrounds etc.)The UFC is worth a BILLION $$. Give us what we pay for, like 8 out of 10 fights. You already raised the price on PPV. Dick.

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]]> By: batman http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55158 batman Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:56:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55158 silva is all hype he beats the crap out of the ufc middleweight division yet that division is the worst in my eyes. Silva needs to move up to light heavyweight so he can get his a** beat by the best. silva is all hype he beats the crap out of the ufc middleweight division yet that division is the worst in my eyes. Silva needs to move up to light heavyweight so he can get his a** beat by the best.

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]]> By: JOE http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55150 JOE Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:09:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55150 Sam: I won't even bother reading the other comments. You were right on about everything. There's nothing left to say. Props. Joe, from Chile Sam:
I won’t even bother reading the other comments. You were right on about everything. There’s nothing left to say. Props.

Joe, from Chile

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]]> By: monsoon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55132 monsoon Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:04:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55132 You're right, Sam. Nice to still find some people who don't just go for stats, knock-outs, and that sort of entertainment. No idea what Silva really thought, but any of these "plying around" assumptions is without proof. Cote did not simply jump on Silva (only once, and he ended on the ground) and Silva played a masterful game - as did Cote as far as his options allowed. I'm really sorry the fight could not continue. As far as I remeber, none of the two fighters played the boring and usual "i will knock him out in the second round" loud-talking game, and so was the fight: interesting, always full of tension, much better though than most of the other televised bouts. MMA itself is not about knockouts, blood, brawling and the like, although popular events sell it like that and this also effects much of the fights. MMA is about winning a fight (ok, I dislike the scoring and judging system in the ufc/United States and prefer japanese versions or better the old gracie-like "till the very end" system). You’re right, Sam. Nice to still find some people who don’t just go for stats, knock-outs, and that sort of entertainment.
No idea what Silva really thought, but any of these “plying around” assumptions is without proof. Cote did not simply jump on Silva (only once, and he ended on the ground) and Silva played a masterful game – as did Cote as far as his options allowed. I’m really sorry the fight could not continue.
As far as I remeber, none of the two fighters played the boring and usual “i will knock him out in the second round” loud-talking game, and so was the fight: interesting, always full of tension, much better though than most of the other televised bouts.
MMA itself is not about knockouts, blood, brawling and the like, although popular events sell it like that and this also effects much of the fights. MMA is about winning a fight (ok, I dislike the scoring and judging system in the ufc/United States and prefer japanese versions or better the old gracie-like “till the very end” system).

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]]> By: blah http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55131 blah Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:02:29 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55131 "Is it any wonder why the man is considering retiring at the age of 35?" It shouldn't be to anyone who has followed Dana White and his way of doing business over the years. The boy has a reputation for shitting on his fighters behind the scenes and then trying to smooth everything over in the public eye. Dana White's idiocy and the fact that nothing is being done about LnP and "Elusiveness"/RUNNING in the fights is why I no longer buy the PPVs. Although, if Dana's comments were limited to what you wrote in this article, I'd have to defend him in this case. 1) The comments weren't really that bad. 2) The comments he made were accurate for a change. Personally, I got irritated with Silva's adoption of the so-called "elusive" tactics that have become contagious in recent UFCs. Silva in his previous fights = elusive in the true meaning of the word. Silva in the Cote fight = running and waiting for Cote to trip over his own dick. Silva is an amazing fighter, but he didn't show it this weekend. As for fans whining about the bow and offering to help Cote up. Fuck 'em, that just exposes them as haters. That and a few flashes of Silva's brilliance were the only positive moments in an otherwise boring fight. “Is it any wonder why the man is considering retiring at the age of 35?”

It shouldn’t be to anyone who has followed Dana White and his way of doing business over the years. The boy has a reputation for shitting on his fighters behind the scenes and then trying to smooth everything over in the public eye. Dana White’s idiocy and the fact that nothing is being done about LnP and “Elusiveness”/RUNNING in the fights is why I no longer buy the PPVs.

Although, if Dana’s comments were limited to what you wrote in this article, I’d have to defend him in this case. 1) The comments weren’t really that bad. 2) The comments he made were accurate for a change.

Personally, I got irritated with Silva’s adoption of the so-called “elusive” tactics that have become contagious in recent UFCs. Silva in his previous fights = elusive in the true meaning of the word. Silva in the Cote fight = running and waiting for Cote to trip over his own dick. Silva is an amazing fighter, but he didn’t show it this weekend.

As for fans whining about the bow and offering to help Cote up. Fuck ‘em, that just exposes them as haters. That and a few flashes of Silva’s brilliance were the only positive moments in an otherwise boring fight.

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]]> By: Duty Guy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55117 Duty Guy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:51:35 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55117 I agree with you Sam. Although, I think Silva himself was disappointed in his performance. He never wants to end a fight without a decisive finishing by his hands. You can see it in his eyes. His loss by DQ was when he was on his back and made an illegal head kick. You could see in his eyes that he feared losing respect if he didn't finish it. Same here. He would have finished Cote given more time. However, Cote's leg buckled and the fight ended. He was chopping him down and would have probably submitted Cote in the 3rd or 4th after wrecking his front leg with kicks. I think Silva shares the same attitude and expectations as Dana White with regard to Silva fights. They talk enough. I don't really think Dana is dumping on him. SIlva is a legend and wants to go out on top . . . . unlike some other "legends." I agree with you Sam. Although, I think Silva himself was disappointed in his performance. He never wants to end a fight without a decisive finishing by his hands. You can see it in his eyes. His loss by DQ was when he was on his back and made an illegal head kick. You could see in his eyes that he feared losing respect if he didn’t finish it. Same here. He would have finished Cote given more time. However, Cote’s leg buckled and the fight ended. He was chopping him down and would have probably submitted Cote in the 3rd or 4th after wrecking his front leg with kicks. I think Silva shares the same attitude and expectations as Dana White with regard to Silva fights. They talk enough. I don’t really think Dana is dumping on him. SIlva is a legend and wants to go out on top . . . . unlike some other “legends.”

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]]> By: TerribleT http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55108 TerribleT Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:21:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55108 You can't tell me that Silva wasn't clowning around,you just can't do it.I don't know why he was but he was and nobody is gonna tell me any different,PERIOD!!!! I guarantee you one thing,if it would've been a 3 rounder he wouldn't have been f***ing around like that.Bottom line is the fans watched 10 fights and they only saw 1 KO and 2 submissions.That's not what people pay for when they drop big bucks to go see a UFC event.Then to have just maybe the best fighter in the world goof off and dance around as if it were Dancin' With The Stars all of a sudden is bullshit.He could have steamrolled Cote at any given second if he wanted and because he waited Cote lucked out and took himself out first .IT was a fitting ending to a worthless fight card!!!!!!!!! :( You can’t tell me that Silva wasn’t clowning around,you just can’t do it.I don’t know why he was but he was and nobody is gonna tell me any different,PERIOD!!!! I guarantee you one thing,if it would’ve been a 3 rounder he wouldn’t have been f***ing around like that.Bottom line is the fans watched 10 fights and they only saw 1 KO and 2 submissions.That’s not what people pay for when they drop big bucks to go see a UFC event.Then to have just maybe the best fighter in the world goof off and dance around as if it were Dancin’ With The Stars all of a sudden is bullshit.He could have steamrolled Cote at any given second if he wanted and because he waited Cote lucked out and took himself out first .IT was a fitting ending to a worthless fight card!!!!!!!!! :(

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55106 HexRei Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:12:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55106 No. Being a dick would have been actually hitting Cote while helping him up (which he did not do) so he was not being a dick, just unusually polite. No. Being a dick would have been actually hitting Cote while helping him up (which he did not do) so he was not being a dick, just unusually polite.

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]]> By: fastfoodandbeer http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55105 fastfoodandbeer Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:58:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55105 You spoke of the instance where Anderson Silva offered to help Patrick Cote up. If it was the end of the fight it makes sense, but not in the middle of the fight. Come on. That's being a dick. "Here let me help you up so I can knock you the 'eff out, you're wasting my time lying there." The polite sportsman thing to do in that situation would be to step back and have the ref make him get up. I'm not going to say that Silva didn't perform well. He was doing well but he was clearly acting like a dick. You spoke of the instance where Anderson Silva offered to help Patrick Cote up. If it was the end of the fight it makes sense, but not in the middle of the fight. Come on. That’s being a dick. “Here let me help you up so I can knock you the ‘eff out, you’re wasting my time lying there.” The polite sportsman thing to do in that situation would be to step back and have the ref make him get up. I’m not going to say that Silva didn’t perform well. He was doing well but he was clearly acting like a dick.

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]]> By: Schlegel http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55104 Schlegel Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:58:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55104 Sam, very well said, I will leave it at that, you were right on. Sam, very well said, I will leave it at that, you were right on.

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]]> By: horton http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55098 horton Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:04:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55098 Sam, Very well said ,most sites do not critize Dana enough!! they are "afraid" to speak their mind like you did .For whatever reason. Also I wanted to know if everyone else noticed they were running behind because of all the undercards fight when the Mc feries fight came on the first thing Dana siad on his blog was "this will be fast" and it only lasted under a minute. is Dana a genie ? how did he know it would be Quick? I think and and some might agreee by his bully tactics that he may have a hand in what the fighters do the fact that De Santos was a huge underdog and won ,how many people won big on that fight? Since the Fertittas are having money issues Just my thoughts......... Sam can you comment on this since it seems you have the balls to do so Sam,
Very well said ,most sites do not critize Dana enough!! they are “afraid” to speak their mind like you did .For whatever reason.
Also I wanted to know if everyone else noticed they were running behind because of all the undercards fight when the Mc feries fight came on the first thing Dana siad on his blog was “this will be fast” and it only lasted under a minute.
is Dana a genie ? how did he know it would be Quick?
I think and and some might agreee by his bully tactics that he may have a hand in what the fighters do
the fact that De Santos was a huge underdog and won ,how many people won big on that fight? Since the Fertittas are having money issues
Just my thoughts………
Sam can you comment on this since it seems you have the balls to do so

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]]> By: babalu http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55096 babalu Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:01:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55096 yap your right! in other words dana is a monster fucking bitch!!!!!!!!!!! yap your right! in other words dana is a monster fucking bitch!!!!!!!!!!!

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55089 Imbecile Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:03:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55089 Wow, Sam! I hope that was fun. You certainly vented a lot of frustrations out there to make your point, even though your point was very hard to follow throughout this piece. I usually enjoy your pieces tremendously, and I have to say that if I read your overall point correctly as saying criticism of Silva following this fight was too harsh, then I tend to mildly agree with you. But this article seemed more like a stream-of-consciousness rant, where you built up a bunch of straw-man arguments that didn't really exist in the manner you created them, only so that you could knock them down to score points against those who disagree with you, and more specifically against Dana White. Even though DW pushed the idea, I hardly think he was alone in calling Anderson Silva the PFP best. I also think he was hardly in the minority in criticizing Silva's bizarre performance on Saturday. Maybe it was showboating, maybe it was careful strategy… but it was definitely different than what most have seen before. However, it is quite a stretch to title an article claiming that Silva's friends are fair-weather simply because they criticized a single performance. You include some critical quotes from Dana White, and then follow it with this line: "Many of the same people that tried to place Silva on this magical pedestal that stood above the rest of the world’s best fighters are the same ones trying to discredit Silva’s legacy..." The clear implication is that DW is the one leading this effort, yet none of the quotes you included (nor any I have read from DW from other sources) lead me to believe DW has jumped off of the Anderson Silva bandwagon and is ready to feed him to the wolves. Wow, really great work in tearing down that straw-man! So DW was critical of a fighter's performance. He has been critical of Chuck Liddell in more than one fight, but still lauded him in his following fights. Can he not be critical of fighters? Would you not be critical of DW if one of his fighters had a lackluster performance but he ignored it with no criticism and instead praised that fighter? It seems in your eyes White cannot win, and if he lauds a fighter, you say he is shoving them down your throat. If he criticizes them, he is trying to tarnish their legacy. Talk about taking things to extremes! And then you get into very strange tangents about totally unrelated topics. Silva's lack of speaking English? Who criticized that? Someone might say he would be more marketable if he spoke English, but that is pretty obvious. Another straw-man down for Sam! And criticizing critics of his body language? Is it really absurd to watch that fight and think all of his wing-chun hand movements were showboating? Maybe they weren't, but critics aren't being totally unfair in suggesting that they might be. Just like the critics you criticize, YOU are not an expert on body language either, and he very well could have been showboating! And your final suggestion that Silva is retiring because of White's unrealistic expectations is absurd and totally unfounded. Sure, Dana White helped build the monster that Silva is, but there is someone else who really created that monster, and that person is Anderson himself. Nothing mythological about that! Wow, Sam! I hope that was fun. You certainly vented a lot of frustrations out there to make your point, even though your point was very hard to follow throughout this piece. I usually enjoy your pieces tremendously, and I have to say that if I read your overall point correctly as saying criticism of Silva following this fight was too harsh, then I tend to mildly agree with you. But this article seemed more like a stream-of-consciousness rant, where you built up a bunch of straw-man arguments that didn’t really exist in the manner you created them, only so that you could knock them down to score points against those who disagree with you, and more specifically against Dana White.

Even though DW pushed the idea, I hardly think he was alone in calling Anderson Silva the PFP best. I also think he was hardly in the minority in criticizing Silva’s bizarre performance on Saturday. Maybe it was showboating, maybe it was careful strategy… but it was definitely different than what most have seen before. However, it is quite a stretch to title an article claiming that Silva’s friends are fair-weather simply because they criticized a single performance.

You include some critical quotes from Dana White, and then follow it with this line: “Many of the same people that tried to place Silva on this magical pedestal that stood above the rest of the world’s best fighters are the same ones trying to discredit Silva’s legacy…” The clear implication is that DW is the one leading this effort, yet none of the quotes you included (nor any I have read from DW from other sources) lead me to believe DW has jumped off of the Anderson Silva bandwagon and is ready to feed him to the wolves. Wow, really great work in tearing down that straw-man!

So DW was critical of a fighter’s performance. He has been critical of Chuck Liddell in more than one fight, but still lauded him in his following fights. Can he not be critical of fighters? Would you not be critical of DW if one of his fighters had a lackluster performance but he ignored it with no criticism and instead praised that fighter?

It seems in your eyes White cannot win, and if he lauds a fighter, you say he is shoving them down your throat. If he criticizes them, he is trying to tarnish their legacy. Talk about taking things to extremes!

And then you get into very strange tangents about totally unrelated topics. Silva’s lack of speaking English? Who criticized that? Someone might say he would be more marketable if he spoke English, but that is pretty obvious. Another straw-man down for Sam!

And criticizing critics of his body language? Is it really absurd to watch that fight and think all of his wing-chun hand movements were showboating? Maybe they weren’t, but critics aren’t being totally unfair in suggesting that they might be. Just like the critics you criticize, YOU are not an expert on body language either, and he very well could have been showboating!

And your final suggestion that Silva is retiring because of White’s unrealistic expectations is absurd and totally unfounded. Sure, Dana White helped build the monster that Silva is, but there is someone else who really created that monster, and that person is Anderson himself. Nothing mythological about that!

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]]> By: Shatner http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55084 Shatner Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:27:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55084 Goomba the judge who gave the 1st round to Cote must be the same judge who scored the Evan Tanner Kendall Grove fight for Tanner. Goomba the judge who gave the 1st round to Cote must be the same judge who scored the Evan Tanner Kendall Grove fight for Tanner.

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]]> By: ThatsRowdy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/26/silvas-friends-in-high-places-prove-to-be-fair-weather/comment-page-1/#comment-55077 ThatsRowdy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:37:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8297#comment-55077 Not all Chicago fans are classless. Yes, all the booing was bad, but not everyone was doing it. Some jerks sitting by me starting booing ME and giving ME the finger for cheering for Patrick Cote when he got injured. I'm a girl and these asshats were booing me!!! These jerks aren't a good representation of the MMA fans of Chicago. These are the meatheads that just showed up for the UFC name. They aren't the real fans that showed up last year for the IFL nor are they the ones that show up consistantly for the XFO fights. I have nothing but respect for each and every fighter that steps into that cage, and its a shame that not everyone does. Not all Chicago fans are classless. Yes, all the booing was bad, but not everyone was doing it. Some jerks sitting by me starting booing ME and giving ME the finger for cheering for Patrick Cote when he got injured. I’m a girl and these asshats were booing me!!! These jerks aren’t a good representation of the MMA fans of Chicago. These are the meatheads that just showed up for the UFC name. They aren’t the real fans that showed up last year for the IFL nor are they the ones that show up consistantly for the XFO fights. I have nothing but respect for each and every fighter that steps into that cage, and its a shame that not everyone does.

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