Comments on: UFC 90: Sherk, Griffin, dos Santos, and Fisher all earn $65,000 “Fight Night” bonuses; UFC does record $2.8 million house at Allstate Arena

By: experience

experience — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:31:18 +0000

That ref David Smith was truly terrible. He was telling Spencer Fisher to work to improve his position when Fisher had a submission locked in tight. Sure, that was very annoying to the viewer, but on a more serious note that is distracting and misleading to the fighters, and could change the outcome of a fight!

Imagine if you have a submission locked in and the guy is about to tap, but the referee is yelling in your face to do something else, so you give up on the move and that changes the outcome of the fight. Granted, I don’t think that actually happened, but I could easily see a fighter changing strategy because the the ref is saying nonsense. Let the fighters fight.

By: warcry

warcry — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:49:02 +0000

Cote was getting his ass whipped. I was annoyed that Anderson just didn’t finish him. He could’ve ended the drama in the 1st Round.

By: ACK!

ACK! — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:38:03 +0000

I’m with Shatner… I’ll never boo a fight or a fighter but Maynards lay-and-pray fight style was just garbage. He did absolutely nothing to try to finish the fight other than constantly attempt to improve his position. Pathetic standup, no submission attempts, very little ground and pound (you don’t have to have a guy mounted to start pounding him… Maynard did nothing in guard, half-guard, or even side control other than a few innoculous body shots). What did he really do to win that fight other than hold Clementi on his back?

Fights like this are why I miss the days of Pride when decisions were based on who worked harder to finish the fight.

By: glock

glock — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:53:32 +0000

I’m a little late to the thread, but I’m happy to see everyone here feels the same way about the fans and refs last night.
That was REALLY annoying.

I almost forgot about the reffing too.
Guess I’ve been trying to repress the memory that I was yelling at the TV like a moron myself “LEAVE ‘EM ALONE, LET ‘EM FIGHT “!!! and “SHUT THE FU@K UP!! …..you IDIOTS”….!!

what hell were they doing threatening to stand them up all the time??
jeeezzzz…

…. not very professional generally, when the drunken crowd can influence the refs and/or judges.

By: Shatner

Shatner — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:37:41 +0000

The Maynard ground work was awful he was making no effort to finish the fight he treated it as a wrestling match as if he had outpointed Rich and was riding out a victory he did the same thing against Frankie Edgar.Trust me I thought the crowd was terrible booing some decent fights and a very good Sherk Griffin fight,but I am in no rush to see Gray Maynard fight again anytime soon.When you say you were on the edge of your seat during that fight you sound like you’re trying to sound cool like you appreciate ground fighting and no one else gets it.I do enjoy watching a good grappling match and it was not there during Maynard’s fight last night it was awful.

By: matt

matt — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:36:56 +0000

silva was being a disrespectful asshole and everything silva had cote had an answer cote was winnig the fight and if he hadnt had knee reconstruction in the past he couldve decisivly won

By: Patrick

Patrick — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:15:45 +0000

Am I the only one that was on the edge of my seat during Maynard/Clementi?

That was some seriously awesome groundwork by Maynard, and Clementi tried damn near every trick in the book. I enjoyed every fight they broadcast, even enjoyed Silva toying with Cote until the whole knee popping acl terribleness. Good fight card, bad crowd.

By: Cathedron

Cathedron — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:56:49 +0000

I think some of the refs were actually intimidated by the crowd. That might be why they were constantly pushing for action. Chicago is just a rude city with no real MMA fan base. Half the people there were so drunk they probly thought they were watching hockey. Fuck ‘em. I wish the UFC would head three hours west and come to the Quad Cities. We don’t have a huge venue, but I guarantee it would be a sellout. The percentage of MMA fans here is gigantic. Pat Miletich is like a god here. Plus we love wrestling so you wouldn’t be hearing us boo whenever a fight went to the ground.

By: Nick Merra

Nick Merra — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:50:31 +0000

i hear big john is coming back. Any truth to that?

By: Nick Merra

Nick Merra — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:25:17 +0000

were the refs and crowd really that bad??

By: Nick Merra

Nick Merra — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:20:47 +0000

Jolly DV, you did an excellent job. Thanks so much for making this feel like a satellite radio ppv. You did great….

By: dpk

dpk — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:15:46 +0000

Ft. Dub, I completely agree with you on the refs. They kept telling to fighters to work, when they were already working for submissions, or working for dominate position, At least they didn’t act on it and stand them up, but it was annoying to keep hearing it.

By: JollyDV

JollyDV — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:12:00 +0000

Herb Dean was the only referee that I recognized. The four referees that I am not familiar with were Mike Reid, Todd Fredrickson, Dr. David Smith and Mark Fennell. I plan on researching them today to see how long they have been refereeing MMA fights.

By: Stan the Caddy

Stan the Caddy — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:05:29 +0000

Horrible crowd, horrible reffing.

By: Ft. Dub

Ft. Dub — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:40:37 +0000

In addition to the booing being annoying on the broadcast, can we get some new refs? All of them except Herb Dean seemed to be inexperienced. Werdum was allowed to get hit about three or four times too many (due to bad positioning) and other fighters were pressed to “do something” over and over again when they were clearly advancing and mixing it up on the ground.

I don’t agree with Rogan that the fighters should never be stood up, but some of these refs seemed like they were discouraging any competitive wrestling/jiu jitsu

By: JollyDV

JollyDV — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:33:29 +0000

The crowd was super loud. I believe that the crowd was so loud at the end of the Alves/Koscheck fight that the fighters didn’t hear the bell sound. They weren’t booing at that time though. So the loud booing we heard may have been amplified just as the applause. Regardless, they booed some of winning fighters all the way through their post fight interview with Joe Rogan. They weren’t too picky either. Just about every fight got booed except maybe Junior’s KO over Werdum and the Sherk/Griffin fight.
I would love to hear from someone that attended the live show.

By: David Andrest

David Andrest — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:54:06 +0000

Yes, I would agree. It didn’t appear on television that they enjoyed the fight card very much. They booed the entire night, it was really strange.

By: KTru

KTru — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:50:49 +0000

Even with the record breaking numbers, I still hope they do not return to the “Windy City”.