Comments on: UFC 90 Leftovers: Alves a threat to St. Pierre; thoughts on the paper-thin lineup; whether Sherk is top ten; and more http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:05:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jennifer http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55316 Jennifer Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:23:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55316 I agree Big Chuck, Alves is definitely not nearly as much of a threat as BJ. Alves is talented, but I don't think he has what it takes to beat GSP...at least not right now. I can't imagine who would be able to at this point, really. Jon Fitch put up an excellent fight, but even he couldn't put him away. I was at UFC 90 live with my husband and a couple friends and I have to say, the crowd here was outstanding and everyone was REALLY into the fights. I don't think you'd hear any of us complaining about it being a paper-thin card! If it wasn't for Cote's injury, I think that may have been a fight worth talking about for a long time. No one has lasted that long in the Octagon with Anderson Silva. I am not a Patrick Cote fan, but I have to give him props for that. I really like Tyson Griffin, but I do not think he won the fight. It was a good fight, but it was obvious from where we were sitting that Sean Sherk won. When you have fights going on once, sometimes twice a month... it has to be difficult to make EVERY card a "blowout." I think we can give the UFC and Dana a break on this one, huh? This card was more exciting than the one a week prior in England, IMHO. Meanwhile, we already have our sights set on the next Columbus fight.... the first 2 were ridiculously stacked.... we already have our hotel booked just in case! I agree Big Chuck, Alves is definitely not nearly as much of a threat as BJ. Alves is talented, but I don’t think he has what it takes to beat GSP…at least not right now. I can’t imagine who would be able to at this point, really. Jon Fitch put up an excellent fight, but even he couldn’t put him away.

I was at UFC 90 live with my husband and a couple friends and I have to say, the crowd here was outstanding and everyone was REALLY into the fights. I don’t think you’d hear any of us complaining about it being a paper-thin card! If it wasn’t for Cote’s injury, I think that may have been a fight worth talking about for a long time. No one has lasted that long in the Octagon with Anderson Silva. I am not a Patrick Cote fan, but I have to give him props for that.

I really like Tyson Griffin, but I do not think he won the fight. It was a good fight, but it was obvious from where we were sitting that Sean Sherk won.

When you have fights going on once, sometimes twice a month… it has to be difficult to make EVERY card a “blowout.” I think we can give the UFC and Dana a break on this one, huh? This card was more exciting than the one a week prior in England, IMHO. Meanwhile, we already have our sights set on the next Columbus fight…. the first 2 were ridiculously stacked…. we already have our hotel booked just in case!

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]]> By: Big Chuck http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55238 Big Chuck Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:18:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55238 wait a minute ... You seem to be putting Alves out there as a bigger threat to GSP than BJ Penn? dude ... really now ... if and when GSP gets past BJ (which i think he will) ... i don't think theres' anyonelef for GSP ... isn't that why they're bringing BJ up to fight him in the first place??? no offense to Alves... but BJ is more of a threat, IMHO peace out wait a minute …

You seem to be putting Alves out there as a bigger threat to GSP than BJ Penn?

dude … really now … if and when GSP gets past BJ (which i think he will) … i don’t think theres’ anyonelef for GSP … isn’t that why they’re bringing BJ up to fight him in the first place???
no offense to Alves… but BJ is more of a threat, IMHO

peace out

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]]> By: ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55195 ryan Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:26:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55195 bottom line the card could have been much better just watched it for the thrid time and was even more upset than the first two and before you start attacking me its nothing personal also i know what i'm talking about i have trained in bjj for 3 years thai boxing for 2 and i get out wrestled at least twice a week HAHA so im just saying we deserve much more. i order all fights from all promtions. Japan/asia and watch even smaller ones on networks like HDNET . but i am very excited for ufc 92 and 94 there is now way they can let us down FOR THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bottom line the card could have been much better
just watched it for the thrid time and was even more upset than the first two
and before you start attacking me its nothing personal
also i know what i’m talking about i have trained in bjj for 3 years thai boxing for 2 and i get out wrestled at least twice a week HAHA
so im just saying we deserve much more. i order all fights from all promtions. Japan/asia and watch even smaller ones on networks like HDNET .
but i am very excited for ufc 92 and 94 there is now way they can let us down
FOR THE FANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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]]> By: Ronnie Liddle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55174 Ronnie Liddle Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:35:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55174 'I don’t think there is a fighter in the UFC’s welterweight division that poses a threat....' Jon fitch is still running around in the UFC, isn't he? and before Fitch lost to GSP how many did he win (including against Alves) in a row? Posslbe big call there, champ. ‘I don’t think there is a fighter in the UFC’s welterweight division that poses a threat….’

Jon fitch is still running around in the UFC, isn’t he? and before Fitch lost to GSP how many did he win (including against Alves) in a row?

Posslbe big call there, champ.

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]]> By: ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55168 ryan Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:23:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55168 LUIS have you heard of MMA???? you see the UFC is not MMA it is a promotion that puts on MMA fights so maybe you should watch some other shows ufc 90 was worse than ufc 89 WE DESERVE MUCH BETTER !!! CERTAINLY FROM THE MOST STACKED AND POWERFULL MMA PROMOTION!!!! LUIS
have you heard of MMA????
you see the UFC is not MMA
it is a promotion that puts on MMA fights
so maybe you should watch some other shows
ufc 90 was worse than ufc 89
WE DESERVE MUCH BETTER !!! CERTAINLY FROM THE MOST STACKED AND POWERFULL MMA PROMOTION!!!!

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]]> By: ryan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55167 ryan Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:18:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55167 finally the things i have been saying for ever about these ufc cards that are really a rip off to us fans they have a roster of fighters to have deep cards every time but they set their guys up to win. for example why wasn't Hendo v franklin on the atlanta card i understand the politics but there comes a point where the shit is just getting old i mean i get DREAM events on HDNET for free and they are better cards as a whole and you get like 13 fights WHy doesn't the ufc use the whole PPV block i mean we pay $55 for fights in hd and there event end with an hour and a half left that they could use to show more than one undercard fight and not wast half the ppv with self promotion finally the things i have been saying for ever about these ufc cards that are really a rip off to us fans
they have a roster of fighters to have deep cards every time but they set their guys up to win.
for example why wasn’t Hendo v franklin on the atlanta card i understand the politics but there comes a point where the shit is just getting old
i mean i get DREAM events on HDNET for free and they are better cards as a whole and you get like 13 fights
WHy doesn’t the ufc use the whole PPV block i mean we pay $55 for fights in hd and there event end with an hour and a half left that they could use to show more than one undercard fight and not wast half the ppv with self promotion

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]]> By: JollyDV http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55137 JollyDV Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:23:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55137 I noticed the extended fighter entries when Tyson Griffin came in to "Eye Of The Tiger". I was singing along with the song and I realized that I was singing the second verse. I remember thinking, cool, because I love that song. lol. Rich S. I am with Nick. I would have to watch the fight again, but if you go back and click on the UFC 90 PBP entry, you will see that I called the fight pretty accurately and scored Rd. 1 for Sherk, and Rd.'s 2 and 3 for Griffin. I realize that doesn't mean much as I am not a trained MMA judge, but I am pretty spot on when I score a round in a fight. The fact is that two people can watch the same thing and not "see" it the same way. So anytime it goes to the judges........ I feel UFC 90 was worth the PPV cost. I enjoyed the card. Sure there was some let down when Cote hurt his knee, but stuff happens. I also think I am a bit more mellow than the majority of the posters here. It isn't that I am less passionate about the sport, maybe it is hormonal or possibly because I am a bit older? I am the voice of reason. hahaha! I noticed the extended fighter entries when Tyson Griffin came in to “Eye Of The Tiger”. I was singing along with the song and I realized that I was singing the second verse. I remember thinking, cool, because I love that song. lol.

Rich S. I am with Nick. I would have to watch the fight again, but if you go back and click on the UFC 90 PBP entry, you will see that I called the fight pretty accurately and scored Rd. 1 for Sherk, and Rd.’s 2 and 3 for Griffin. I realize that doesn’t mean much as I am not a trained MMA judge, but I am pretty spot on when I score a round in a fight. The fact is that two people can watch the same thing and not “see” it the same way. So anytime it goes to the judges……..

I feel UFC 90 was worth the PPV cost. I enjoyed the card. Sure there was some let down when Cote hurt his knee, but stuff happens. I also think I am a bit more mellow than the majority of the posters here. It isn’t that I am less passionate about the sport, maybe it is hormonal or possibly because I am a bit older? I am the voice of reason. hahaha!

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]]> By: Luis http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55126 Luis Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:37:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55126 I dont know why all the sh*t against the ufc, this card is better than any other card from another promotion in the us, there were a lot of fighters and bouts scratched from the card due injuries. sherk/griffin fight was awesome, kos/alves a really good fight(2 week notice), werdum /dos santos (is really ufc fault that werdum gained so much fat before the fight?) dos santos comes from the blackhouse, enough said. this was a really good card, if anderson silva knocks cote out in the first minute, everybody would be saying what a great card this was and bla bla bla i'm gonna stop reading crap from sam caplan I dont know why all the sh*t against the ufc, this card is better than any other card from another promotion in the us, there were a lot of fighters and bouts scratched from the card due injuries. sherk/griffin fight was awesome, kos/alves a really good fight(2 week notice), werdum /dos santos (is really ufc fault that werdum gained so much fat before the fight?) dos santos comes from the blackhouse, enough said.
this was a really good card, if anderson silva knocks cote out in the first minute, everybody would be saying what a great card this was and bla bla bla

i’m gonna stop reading crap from sam caplan

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55093 Imbecile Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:33:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55093 Paper thin? Really? Anderson Silva needs to defend his belt against someone, and Cote was the only legitimate one after Okami was injured. And then you aren't the least bit pleased by the excellent match-making of Sherk/Griffin and Kos/Alves. You just brush those off as inconsequential since they don't conveniently serve to bolster your hyperbole in criticizing the entire card. Yes, Werdum/Dos Santos was a bit of a stretch for the main card, but some fights get promoted when there are injuries. And there were six fights televised, not five. Did you forget the Leites/McFedries fight they threw in there? It may not have been the best card ever, but it was certainly not "paper thin." Pacing was poorer than usual, but the card itself was not poor. Oh, and I'm sure Sherk is very grateful to you for including him in your top ten, which is still dominated by above-average fighters from Japanese organizations that are nowhere near his level. Paper thin?

Really?

Anderson Silva needs to defend his belt against someone, and Cote was the only legitimate one after Okami was injured.

And then you aren’t the least bit pleased by the excellent match-making of Sherk/Griffin and Kos/Alves. You just brush those off as inconsequential since they don’t conveniently serve to bolster your hyperbole in criticizing the entire card.

Yes, Werdum/Dos Santos was a bit of a stretch for the main card, but some fights get promoted when there are injuries.

And there were six fights televised, not five. Did you forget the Leites/McFedries fight they threw in there?

It may not have been the best card ever, but it was certainly not “paper thin.” Pacing was poorer than usual, but the card itself was not poor.

Oh, and I’m sure Sherk is very grateful to you for including him in your top ten, which is still dominated by above-average fighters from Japanese organizations that are nowhere near his level.

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]]> By: Nick Travaglini http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/27/ufc-90-leftovers-alves-a-threat-to-st-pierre-thoughts-on-the-paper-thin-lineup-whether-sherk-is-top-ten-and-more/comment-page-1/#comment-55086 Nick Travaglini Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:37:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8319#comment-55086 @ Rich S. - While I need to watch the Griffin- Sherk fight a second time to give you a detailed breakdown, from what I remember I scored the fight the first round for sherk and the last two for Griffin. I just didn't think Sherk did enough on the feet to win the rounds. It was close, but I just saw it as Griffin landing the more meaningful strikes and pushing the pace and being more aggressive. Just my two cents anyway. @ Rich S. – While I need to watch the Griffin- Sherk fight a second time to give you a detailed breakdown, from what I remember I scored the fight the first round for sherk and the last two for Griffin. I just didn’t think Sherk did enough on the feet to win the rounds. It was close, but I just saw it as Griffin landing the more meaningful strikes and pushing the pace and being more aggressive. Just my two cents anyway.

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