Comments on: Magalhaes: “I never once said I have more skill than Nogueira.”

By: dcipher

dcipher — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:01:16 +0000

GUYS….Vinny is clearly an arrogant guy, he can try to explain his comment away as being about style and indeed, IT WAS…PARTIALLY…but it was also meant in a slightly derogatory way and that came across loud and clear. To some of the commentors who didn’t watch the show, watch and you’ll see. What he said actually sounds BETTER ON PAPER! Vinny and Mir weren’t interested in DISCUSSING STYLE, Mir wanted to have a Nogeira BASHING chat.

NOTE though that IT WAS MIR egging him on, MIR REALLY wanted him to say “yes, I am better, he’s no good!” but he knew that was stupid, so he made more passive-aggressive comments.

Conclusion:
Vinny: arrogant, but much worse, a 2 faced liar, who sweet talks people to their face and bad mouths them behind their backs, as he admitted on the show, he thinks he’s great and really doesn’t care about anyone else or what they think

Mir: overgrown, immature, big talking, retard/frat boy. Most of the young guys show more maturity than him.

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By: King James

King James — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:40:43 +0000

You also gotta pay attention to what else he said. ” what you watched happened weeks after my fight.” UFC edits the shit so it creates drama. We see what they want us to see. on every show there are fighters saying things on the show didn’t happen in the order it was shown. Now that doesn’t make him good or bad but it makes what we see not accurate.

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By: mike wolfe

mike wolfe — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:57:17 +0000

Tim is right. Vinny won’t be a contender or even top tier unless his stand up greatly improves. The best strikers have a flow (so do the best bjj practitioners, for that matter) that was entirely absent in Vinny’s fight with Jules. Vinny looked tentative and awkward and unsure how to engage with Jules, who had a 0-0 pro record according to the “Tale of the Tape.”

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By: darkmetal

darkmetal — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:28:08 +0000

I don’t exactly buy Vinnie’s explanation. First of all, there is the talk about them “hating him in Brazil”, then there is him claiming that if he were back home, some punches would have been thrown during his back and forth with Nog.
I sure hope he has the chance to “throw some punches” with Nogiera in Brazil if he wants to track him down, however, I don’t think he would be happy to do so.
As Nogiera said, there are people who are great in BJJ but don’t always win when they fight….and he is certainly one who does. Vinnie has yet to prove that in the UFC cage.

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By: nate

nate — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 05:55:13 +0000

Vinny’s problem is that he dis’d Nogueira, the BJJ Phenom and 2nd best MMA heavyweight in the world, and expects Nogueira to apologize.
Vinny: “someone asked if that was more than Nogueira, and I said yes”
Vinny: “I’m not expecting him to run up to me and apologize”
Vinny: “[Nogueira's friendship]’s not that big of a deal to me”

So Vinny said he was better than Big Nog, after insulting him now expects Big Nog to apologize, and doesnt care about being friends with Big Nog.

I’d say it is clear Vinny is a %*#)@-head and full of himself.

Big Nog’s talent is at the highest levels of his profession. He has showed up at the house and cared for his team as powerfully as the most dedicated captains in TUF.
Vinny’s personality gets no respect from me. As far as his skills, hemf.. whatever. Dana said it best: “I was falling asleep until Vinny went in for the submission.”

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By: paddiosf

paddiosf — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:01:11 +0000

I’ve been to Brazil in the brotherhood between there country men is strong especially between figthers, Nogeira seemed really disappointed in Vinny’s words..And like a previous comment, I think the “lost in translation is what really happen, I think Vinny didnt mean any harm in the conversation and he was caught up in the moment..So I hope that Vinny and Nogeira hash out the differences..

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By: flassassin

flassassin — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:40:20 +0000

I’m not a Matt Hughes fan, but his skills were pretty basic. He just happened to dominate with them for several years. I got what Vinny was saying, I think the other guys on the show might’ve even got what he was saying. The problem is that most of Nogeira’s team behaved like a group of catty females. I get the Brazilian brothervibe seen amongst the coaches and Silva, but when the fighters tried to incorporate themselves it came off more like a college sorority.

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By: KneeToTheFace

KneeToTheFace — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:04:12 +0000

I don’t watch this garbage show but after having read the story on this situation from a few sources I kind of sympathize for Vinny. Saying you have better credentials doesn’t mean you think you’re better, as many have said.

The “basic” comment isn’t really an insult, just an observation. To be honest, triangles, armbars, guillotines – those are the submissions he relies on. You don’t see him throwing his leg up for rubber guard, or an omoplata or gogo. He always turtles, and rolls back into guard. It doesn’t mean he’s bad. As Vinny said, Rickson has the same, very basic, strong foundational jiujitsu style. They stick to what works. I haven’t watched Vinny grapple so I can’t say for sure whether he is more or less basic.

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By: James

James — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:15:13 +0000

if vinny’s statement as big nog’s bjj as “basic” wasnt meant to be an insult , why then did he follow that comment by saying “well they already hate me in brazil anyway”….he talked all this crap to nog saying “you’ll see when you watch the tapes”, which is kind of funny because i think the footage only further implicates his lack of respect…maybe vinny should try poker he’s good at straightfaced lying

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By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:02:27 +0000

Vinny has some great Jui-Jitsu but his stand up needs to improve, Ryan Bader will walk right thorugh that. I like Vinny and his work ethic. BUT, I don’t know Jui-Jitsu terminolgy but “basic” sure doesn’t sound like a compliment.

Bader vs Vinny is what I would eventually like to see…

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By: chamber

chamber — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:27:34 +0000

I think it was more of a miscommunication, there was a bit of boasting in Vinny’s part that was also kinda egged on a bit by Mir but i don’t think it was a big deal. I think with nog he has earned that respect so he expects it from others. I also think he has the type of guy that respects other fighters.

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By: John

John — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:14:39 +0000

I think Vinny should apologize. Even if he didn’t mean it, him apologizing would let the whole thing blow over more smoothly. Nog shouldn’t be the one who has to apologize, no way!

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By: Sonny

Sonny — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:37:45 +0000

“LIttle balls, man.” – Nog

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By: AfroPuff

AfroPuff — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:34:04 +0000

Can anyone else picture Frank Mir setting back laughing , knowing he is now done something to get in Nog’s head?

It seemed odd that he would call Nog’s jiu jitsu basic, but now that he has explained it as a style rather than an insult, it makes sense. I’m not brazilian, I’m not a 3 time world champion in jiu jitsu, so I don’t know all the terms, and chances are neither does most of the TUF audience.

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By: Patrick

Patrick — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:21:02 +0000

Glen, these guys don’t spend that much time together, the show goes over a relatively short period of time. Nobody “makes” anybody anything on this show, people come on, get a few pointers, fight, and go home.

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By: Glen McCoy

Glen McCoy — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:51:55 +0000

It was basic Frank Mir stirring shit just like he took Junies side and backed him up when he spit on the belt. Mir is trying to regain his youth from before the motorcycle accident by playing silly high school games with the fighters. Mir thinks junie and vinnie being disrespectful to other people is cool. Frank Mir was a proud man now he is just a washed up BITCH to the younger fighters that he once was.Notice that now TUF is over and junie is training at Courter why don’t junie spit on Tyson Griffin and see what happens to his Punk ass .Frank Mir made a bunch of disrespectful punks and should be ashamed.

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By: THORAZINE

THORAZINE — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:06:46 +0000

I see it as something as Vinny can apologize for and Nog’ could let go, it wasn’t all that disrespectful, but it wasn’t all that good either.

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By: brad

brad — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:05:10 +0000

Vinnys a punk,..if u peed on my bed i woulda snuck up behind him, rear naked choked him and gnawed his ear off

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By: HexRei

HexRei — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:25:59 +0000

saying you have accomplished more recently in BJJ is not an insult if it’s true. it’s also not an attack on MMA skill if you are a sane person and don’t see MMA BJJ as the same as sport BJJ.

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By: James

James — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:23:10 +0000

vinny’s arrogance will catch up to him, i can’t wait to see it…he is most irritating in that he lies to others and insults their intelligence

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