Comments on: 5 Oz. of Pain Presents: The DUEL http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 15:31:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: EJ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55675 EJ Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:41:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55675 Just for the record Sonnen never screamed "tap", the ref was an idiot for stopping the fight and Chael will dominated Filho in the rematch. Just for the record Sonnen never screamed “tap”, the ref was an idiot for stopping the fight and Chael will dominated Filho in the rematch.

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55624 Cathedron Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:43:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55624 Silva needs some serious competition. I'm sick of watching the UFC work so hard to find 185 lbers to fight him. Let him move to 205 and get a title shot. THAT would sell tickets. If they can make the BJ/GSP fight happen, why not let Silva go for the LHW belt? Hell, let him abdicate the MW belt for all I care. It's getting so anti-climactic watching him fight. There isn't a single fight at 185 that excites me. Not unless GSP is willing to move up a weight class. Silva needs some serious competition. I’m sick of watching the UFC work so hard to find 185 lbers to fight him. Let him move to 205 and get a title shot. THAT would sell tickets. If they can make the BJ/GSP fight happen, why not let Silva go for the LHW belt? Hell, let him abdicate the MW belt for all I care. It’s getting so anti-climactic watching him fight. There isn’t a single fight at 185 that excites me. Not unless GSP is willing to move up a weight class.

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]]> By: Sergio Hernandez http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55583 Sergio Hernandez Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:34:24 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55583 "Let A. Silva beat Lindland, Mousasi, and Manhoef or Jacare at least before he is annointed this unbeatable god." You say Franklin and Marquardt are overrated but say that Silva needs to fight Manhoef and Jacare?? Geez, at least Rich and Nate are well-rounded and not one-dimensional martial artists fighting in MIXED martial arts. “Let A. Silva beat Lindland, Mousasi, and Manhoef or Jacare at least before he is annointed this unbeatable god.”

You say Franklin and Marquardt are overrated but say that Silva needs to fight Manhoef and Jacare??

Geez, at least Rich and Nate are well-rounded and not one-dimensional martial artists fighting in MIXED martial arts.

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]]> By: Dave Carpinello http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55570 Dave Carpinello Sat, 01 Nov 2008 07:00:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55570 Thanks for the win via Andy Wang - woooburn Thanks for the win via Andy Wang – woooburn

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]]> By: KneeToTheFace http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55564 KneeToTheFace Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:47:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55564 My vote is for Joachim Hansen. My vote is for Joachim Hansen.

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]]> By: skwirrl http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55563 skwirrl Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:12:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55563 ^Exactly - Also GSP PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt who is the best wrestler (for MMA purposes) at 170. And he proved it was himself. He took Koscheck down at will and was never on his back to Koscheck. I'm not positive but I think Fitch got 1 TD the entire fight and was taken down whenever GSP felt like it. He will take down Alves and hes a much better striker than Koscheck and Koscheck hung with Alves on his feet so he will hang with him there too. GSP dominates Alves gimme -250 on GSP. Also people still talk like Anderson has cleaned out his division when the only guy near the top 5 in my book is Hendo. Franklin is terribly overrated and Hendo will prove that as is Marquardt. Let A. Silva beat Lindland, Mousasi, and Manhoef or Jacare at least before he is annointed this unbeatable god. Even though Mousasi is the best all around fighter of the 4, I think any of the other 3 pose an excellent threat to Anderson and Mousasi slightly less based on his style. ^Exactly – Also GSP PROVED beyond a shadow of a doubt who is the best wrestler (for MMA purposes) at 170. And he proved it was himself. He took Koscheck down at will and was never on his back to Koscheck. I’m not positive but I think Fitch got 1 TD the entire fight and was taken down whenever GSP felt like it. He will take down Alves and hes a much better striker than Koscheck and Koscheck hung with Alves on his feet so he will hang with him there too. GSP dominates Alves gimme -250 on GSP.

Also people still talk like Anderson has cleaned out his division when the only guy near the top 5 in my book is Hendo. Franklin is terribly overrated and Hendo will prove that as is Marquardt. Let A. Silva beat Lindland, Mousasi, and Manhoef or Jacare at least before he is annointed this unbeatable god. Even though Mousasi is the best all around fighter of the 4, I think any of the other 3 pose an excellent threat to Anderson and Mousasi slightly less based on his style.

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]]> By: portland mma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55549 portland mma Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:00:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55549 Sonnen was screaming bloody murder you can say whatever you want but he was either going to lose a limb or tap (like he did). While I admit Alves is a threat to St. Pierre in some way I think people are going way over board about the guy. Jon Fitch got the KO victory over him but you are telling me that Georges couldnt? I understand he beat Hughes, Karo and Kos but look at that a little closer. He beat Hughes who is past his prime and Alves weighed 174 pounds in that fight. He beat Kary Parisyan who is having anxiety problems so bad no one knows what the hell is going on with him, and he out-struck a pure wrestler. I'm impressed, just not that impressed. Sonnen was screaming bloody murder you can say whatever you want but he was either going to lose a limb or tap (like he did). While I admit Alves is a threat to St. Pierre in some way I think people are going way over board about the guy. Jon Fitch got the KO victory over him but you are telling me that Georges couldnt? I understand he beat Hughes, Karo and Kos but look at that a little closer. He beat Hughes who is past his prime and Alves weighed 174 pounds in that fight. He beat Kary Parisyan who is having anxiety problems so bad no one knows what the hell is going on with him, and he out-struck a pure wrestler. I’m impressed, just not that impressed.

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55544 Michael Huckaby Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:30:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55544 "Are the Pros and Cons gone for good?" No, just nothing that fun. I think I wrote down 4 things for UFC 90. I have plenty of non-MMA ones but I need a good majority of MMA ones to lead to an article here. “Are the Pros and Cons gone for good?”

No, just nothing that fun. I think I wrote down 4 things for UFC 90. I have plenty of non-MMA ones but I need a good majority of MMA ones to lead to an article here.

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]]> By: woooburn http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55542 woooburn Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:22:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55542 "I say we get a deaf lip reader to settle this. I suggest Marlee Matlin." she's not a novelty act george. interesting that filho wouldn't be considered a threat in the ufc , but sonnen (who's been there before, quite fruitlessly i might add) would? yeah, he was getting the better of filho in their first fight, but he LOST (controversial stoppage or not). and his last fight against a much less experienced bryan baker, whom he couldn't finish, wasn't all that impressive. carpinello wins for mentioning andy wang “I say we get a deaf lip reader to settle this. I suggest Marlee Matlin.”

she’s not a novelty act george.

interesting that filho wouldn’t be considered a threat in the ufc , but sonnen (who’s been there before, quite fruitlessly i might add) would? yeah, he was getting the better of filho in their first fight, but he LOST (controversial stoppage or not). and his last fight against a much less experienced bryan baker, whom he couldn’t finish, wasn’t all that impressive.

carpinello wins for mentioning andy wang

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]]> By: Revjames13 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55540 Revjames13 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:08:16 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55540 GSP better train like he's fighting Jesus and Norris for the BJ Penn fight or he won't be fighting Alves for awhile... GSP better train like he’s fighting Jesus and Norris for the BJ Penn fight or he won’t be fighting Alves for awhile…

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55539 Rich S. Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:59:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55539 Whether Sonnen did or didn't yell "Tap!" he was absolutely DOMINATING the so-called best MW in the world (i guess aside from Silva). Sure, Filho has a tremendous ground game, and we've seen him knock people out.. But his Mental game as just been DESTROYED over the last few years.. He's not in the right mind set to maintain a title.. And he gassed rather FAST in their last fight.. all these things lead me to believe that this fight will look the exact same as the last.. only a different outcome.. as for Naku, that fool BELONGS at MW.. I was always just astonished as to why he fought with those HUGE dudes up at 205.. and Pulver/Garcia?? Talk about a DEFINITE FOTY candidate.. These guys are both animals and you can bet if Pulver KO's Garcia i'll be screaming for like... 15 straight minutes! WAR PULVER! And GSP better train for the fight of his life! He needs to train as if he was going to be fighting Jesus.. or even.. CHUCK NORRIS.. As far as i'm concerned, if you can KO Karo Parisyan (who has, as of now, only been legitimately KO'd once in his career [by alves]) and can KO Matt Hughes (which before Alves, had only happened TWICE in Hughes' career) and then put a BEATING on another top 10 WW in Kos.. YOU STAND A HUGE CHANCE IN BEATING GSP.. Whether Sonnen did or didn’t yell “Tap!” he was absolutely DOMINATING the so-called best MW in the world (i guess aside from Silva).

Sure, Filho has a tremendous ground game, and we’ve seen him knock people out..
But his Mental game as just been DESTROYED over the last few years..
He’s not in the right mind set to maintain a title..
And he gassed rather FAST in their last fight..

all these things lead me to believe that this fight will look the exact same as the last.. only a different outcome..

as for Naku, that fool BELONGS at MW..
I was always just astonished as to why he fought with those HUGE dudes up at 205..

and Pulver/Garcia??
Talk about a DEFINITE FOTY candidate..
These guys are both animals and you can bet if Pulver KO’s Garcia i’ll be screaming for like… 15 straight minutes!
WAR PULVER!

And GSP better train for the fight of his life!
He needs to train as if he was going to be fighting Jesus.. or even.. CHUCK NORRIS..
As far as i’m concerned,
if you can KO Karo Parisyan (who has, as of now, only been legitimately KO’d once in his career [by alves])
and can KO Matt Hughes (which before Alves, had only happened TWICE in Hughes’ career)
and then put a BEATING on another top 10 WW in Kos..
YOU STAND A HUGE CHANCE IN BEATING GSP..

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]]> By: Jeff L http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55538 Jeff L Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:38:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55538 Great article, Huck. Are the Pros and Cons gone for good? I thougt you would have some choice words from 89/90. The readers demand it!! Great article, Huck. Are the Pros and Cons gone for good? I thougt you would have some choice words from 89/90. The readers demand it!!

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]]> By: Revjames13 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55531 Revjames13 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:27:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55531 Alves looked great against Kos and Hughes. He must now be considered the biggest threat to whoever wins the Penn/GSP fight. However, Alves has not faced anyone on their tier yet, as they are the two best guys in the division (even if Penn is stepping up a weight class). Kos, Fitch, Hughes, Sanchez, Serra-- all of those guys are very solid fighters, but they lack the superstar skill level that Penn and GSP possess. I think Penn/GSP is the greatest match-up in the history of mma. Whoever takes that fight will be right there with AS and Fedor as the top P4P in the world. My money is on Penn, but obviously it could go either way. It's an Ali/Frazier type situation. What I like about Alves is that he represents a great first challenge for the victor of that fight. I think he would fare better against GSP, because Penn has a chin like a cinder block and would find a way to sub him, IMO, whereas I think GSP could get caught in an exchange standing. I would still favor either guy over Alves pretty strongly, though. GSP could just wear him out with pace. But Alves makes for a very compelling challenger for either of them. Alves looked great against Kos and Hughes. He must now be considered the biggest threat to whoever wins the Penn/GSP fight.

However, Alves has not faced anyone on their tier yet, as they are the two best guys in the division (even if Penn is stepping up a weight class). Kos, Fitch, Hughes, Sanchez, Serra– all of those guys are very solid fighters, but they lack the superstar skill level that Penn and GSP possess.

I think Penn/GSP is the greatest match-up in the history of mma. Whoever takes that fight will be right there with AS and Fedor as the top P4P in the world. My money is on Penn, but obviously it could go either way. It’s an Ali/Frazier type situation.

What I like about Alves is that he represents a great first challenge for the victor of that fight. I think he would fare better against GSP, because Penn has a chin like a cinder block and would find a way to sub him, IMO, whereas I think GSP could get caught in an exchange standing. I would still favor either guy over Alves pretty strongly, though. GSP could just wear him out with pace. But Alves makes for a very compelling challenger for either of them.

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]]> By: Michael Huckaby http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55527 Michael Huckaby Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:52:12 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55527 All of the gifs I saw were him saying "tap tap." I say we get a deaf lip reader to settle this. I suggest Marlee Matlin. It's been months since I've seen it so I'm not saying I'm right, that's just how I remember it. All of the gifs I saw were him saying “tap tap.” I say we get a deaf lip reader to settle this. I suggest Marlee Matlin.

It’s been months since I’ve seen it so I’m not saying I’m right, that’s just how I remember it.

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]]> By: ihateemo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/10/31/5-oz-of-pain-presents-the-duel-25/comment-page-1/#comment-55524 ihateemo Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:29:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8425#comment-55524 "I’ll just point out again how angry I was when Sonnen pretended he didn’t yell “tap tap tap tap” in their first fight and complained about the stoppage." Really? That's not how I remember it. The video (a 46 second clip on YouTube hyping the rematch) clearing shows him yelling "no, no, no, no" as he saw the ref coming in to stop it. Filho looked like the loser - he took a beating in that fight and I hope Sonnen gives him another one on Wednesday. “I’ll just point out again how angry I was when Sonnen pretended he didn’t yell “tap tap tap tap” in their first fight and complained about the stoppage.”

Really? That’s not how I remember it. The video (a 46 second clip on YouTube hyping the rematch) clearing shows him yelling “no, no, no, no” as he saw the ref coming in to stop it.

Filho looked like the loser – he took a beating in that fight and I hope Sonnen gives him another one on Wednesday.

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