Comments on: Even in death, ProElite and EliteXC finding ways to hurt the sport http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 18:11:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Shaun http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55929 Shaun Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:13:52 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55929 The UFC does need to pay their fucking fighters more damn money. Except for the superstars like chuck liddell or brock lesnar and knockout, submission, and fight of the night bonuses. The fighters get paid maybe 20k if they're lucky and on the winning side. But then again you can't be paying motherfuckers 50,000 each just to show. That's a mili or two every month. That's what elite xc, affliction, pride, and ifl did and thats why their 6 feet deep, except for affliction so far. """Treat your fighters well, but don't pamper them.""" The UFC does need to pay their fucking fighters more damn money. Except for the superstars like chuck liddell or brock lesnar and knockout, submission, and fight of the night bonuses. The fighters get paid maybe 20k if they’re lucky and on the winning side.

But then again you can’t be paying motherfuckers 50,000 each just to show. That’s a mili or two every month. That’s what elite xc, affliction, pride, and ifl did and thats why their 6 feet deep, except for affliction so far.

“”"Treat your fighters well, but don’t pamper them.”"”

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]]> By: Jeremy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55906 Jeremy Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:43:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55906 Excellent article Sam. Totally agree with your thoughts and hope a resolution comes soon for the fighters. Excellent article Sam. Totally agree with your thoughts and hope a resolution comes soon for the fighters.

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]]> By: Jon Murphy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55885 Jon Murphy Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:11:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55885 Great read Sam. Hope all is well. Take care... - Jon Great read Sam. Hope all is well. Take care…

- Jon

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]]> By: ragefightingwear http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55877 ragefightingwear Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:24:48 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55877 who cares thers a UFC event next weekend who cares thers a UFC event next weekend

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]]> By: Joseph http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55857 Joseph Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:55:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55857 Sam, Although I agree with you, EliteXC can still hold the fighters under contract and let them fight elsewhere like Diaz and Alvarez. It is not like they are not letting them fight anywhere else and keeping them from earning a paycheck. Sam,

Although I agree with you, EliteXC can still hold the fighters under contract and let them fight elsewhere like Diaz and Alvarez. It is not like they are not letting them fight anywhere else and keeping them from earning a paycheck.

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]]> By: Jon http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55856 Jon Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:47:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55856 I agree with this article 100%. Proelite has done nothing but try to line its own pockets to promote 'street fights'. UFC may not pay the fighters enough as it is.. and they very well be because they make only in the hundreds of millions a year..where as football, all said and done, is a 'hundreds of billions' dollar generator that never runs out of gas. At least the UFC is trying to expand the sport with long term goals, and ever-increasing pools of talent. As in any sport, you have to do well to get paid. Ask all the guys on the practice squad in the NFL or on the undercard of local boxing matches. I sincerely hope the UFC puts everybody out of business, acquires all the big names, and is smart enough to keep the mid-level guys happy, and the elite guys really happy. If you're not a good fighter then get a real job like me. As for Proelite.. you should be ashamed. Affliction - go make more shirts and help the fighters out with sponsorships. Tito - quit being an idiot. Fedor - be a mixed martial artist and just make an appearance at the Sambo tourney's and go fight for the #1 promotion. Dana - keep it coming! I agree with this article 100%. Proelite has done nothing but try to line its own pockets to promote ‘street fights’. UFC may not pay the fighters enough as it is.. and they very well be because they make only in the hundreds of millions a year..where as football, all said and done, is a ‘hundreds of billions’ dollar generator that never runs out of gas. At least the UFC is trying to expand the sport with long term goals, and ever-increasing pools of talent. As in any sport, you have to do well to get paid. Ask all the guys on the practice squad in the NFL or on the undercard of local boxing matches. I sincerely hope the UFC puts everybody out of business, acquires all the big names, and is smart enough to keep the mid-level guys happy, and the elite guys really happy. If you’re not a good fighter then get a real job like me. As for Proelite.. you should be ashamed. Affliction – go make more shirts and help the fighters out with sponsorships. Tito – quit being an idiot. Fedor – be a mixed martial artist and just make an appearance at the Sambo tourney’s and go fight for the #1 promotion. Dana – keep it coming!

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55854 Davey D Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:32:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55854 Pro Elite has got some serious business to figure out to do very soon. How can long can they afford to prolong a fighter's career? They have how many on their roster? Everyone can't feel secure without certain assurances and EXC had/has a different story every week. WTF guys? Affliction could do 4 or 5 show's in 2009 if they play their card's right. I think adding to it later would be good. They don't need Fedor as a headliner right? They said it. Fedor will fight anyone who can step though those ropes and go. He has never been in the UFC and look how well he's done so far. Will he continue to be as succesful? I think so. But he should also test the competition that is currently in the UFC. There is plenty of it there. Someday. Pro Elite has got some serious business to figure out to do very soon. How can long can they afford to prolong a fighter’s career? They have how many on their roster? Everyone can’t feel secure without certain assurances and EXC had/has a different story every week. WTF guys?

Affliction could do 4 or 5 show’s in 2009 if they play their card’s right. I think adding to it later would be good. They don’t need Fedor as a headliner right? They said it.

Fedor will fight anyone who can step though those ropes and go. He has never been in the UFC and look how well he’s done so far. Will he continue to be as succesful? I think so. But he should also test the competition that is currently in the UFC. There is plenty of it there. Someday.

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]]> By: Gygax http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55853 Gygax Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:02:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55853 Good opinion piece Sam. How many times did we hear one of the Shaws say the difference between EXc and the UFC was that they were all about the fighters and what was best for them? Now here they are screwing those same fighters. With all these potential free agents ready to jump into the pool, its no wonder that Denis Kang signed with the UFC today. What a shame. Thanks for being the ultimate douchebags, ProElite. Thanks for nothing. BTW, it looks like both the ProElite and EliteXC websites went offline this afternoon. Good opinion piece Sam. How many times did we hear one of the Shaws say the difference between EXc and the UFC was that they were all about the fighters and what was best for them? Now here they are screwing those same fighters. With all these potential free agents ready to jump into the pool, its no wonder that Denis Kang signed with the UFC today. What a shame.

Thanks for being the ultimate douchebags, ProElite. Thanks for nothing.

BTW, it looks like both the ProElite and EliteXC websites went offline this afternoon.

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]]> By: Phil http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55842 Phil Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:24:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55842 Sam, I agree with your point that they haven't actually cured the breach of contract, is this really enough for them to keep the fighters under contract? Will the be free agents in 30 days? I mean, reading the letter from Diaz on the graciefighters website, it seems like the only way to cure the breach is by putting all the cash for the contract in escrow, I highly doubt that's happened, so I hope these guys can get out of the contracts soon. Sam,

I agree with your point that they haven’t actually cured the breach of contract, is this really enough for them to keep the fighters under contract? Will the be free agents in 30 days?

I mean, reading the letter from Diaz on the graciefighters website, it seems like the only way to cure the breach is by putting all the cash for the contract in escrow, I highly doubt that’s happened, so I hope these guys can get out of the contracts soon.

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]]> By: portland mma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55836 portland mma Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:00:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55836 Affliction needs to get Barnett a little more national exposure (maybe play off the fact that he dominated Couture, since it doesn't look like Couture vs. Fedor is ever going to happen). and set up a fight between him and Fedor. Arlovski wouldn't be a bad opponent (depending on which Arlovski shows up, the bad ass or the guy who lost to Sylvia twice in the same year), but people have been wanting to see Barnett against Fedor for a few years now. If they don't ink Barnett and Fedor soon I think they crumble because they have nothing to build off of, with the exception of their few heavyweights they really only have one decent guy a weight class. Not to mention they paid everyone in their first show like they were the New York Knicks trying to sign Lebron. Affliction needs to get Barnett a little more national exposure (maybe play off the fact that he dominated Couture, since it doesn’t look like Couture vs. Fedor is ever going to happen). and set up a fight between him and Fedor. Arlovski wouldn’t be a bad opponent (depending on which Arlovski shows up, the bad ass or the guy who lost to Sylvia twice in the same year), but people have been wanting to see Barnett against Fedor for a few years now. If they don’t ink Barnett and Fedor soon I think they crumble because they have nothing to build off of, with the exception of their few heavyweights they really only have one decent guy a weight class. Not to mention they paid everyone in their first show like they were the New York Knicks trying to sign Lebron.

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]]> By: Stan the Caddy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55834 Stan the Caddy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:45:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55834 Just seems like some posturing to enable them to offload the fighter contracts to the highest bidders. Just seems like some posturing to enable them to offload the fighter contracts to the highest bidders.

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]]> By: detroit_fan http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/03/even-in-death-proelite-and-elitexc-finding-ways-to-hurt-the-sport/comment-page-1/#comment-55830 detroit_fan Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:22:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8501#comment-55830 Good read. I agree with it all. I wonder how long Affliction will last? Good read. I agree with it all. I wonder how long Affliction will last?

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