Comments on: THE DUEL: Special Post-UFC 91 Edition http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 18:11:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: pk_squall_pk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57362 pk_squall_pk Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:17:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57362 Slow opponents* Slow opponents*

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]]> By: pk_squall_pk http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57361 pk_squall_pk Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:17:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57361 Every single fight past Couture means easy takedowns because of smal opponents, Fedor included. I think Brock wins every fight hes in if he gets past Nog. Every single fight past Couture means easy takedowns because of smal opponents, Fedor included. I think Brock wins every fight hes in if he gets past Nog.

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]]> By: Robert http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57317 Robert Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:49:51 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57317 Fedor would submit Lesnar 10 out of 10 times. Fedor would submit Lesnar 10 out of 10 times.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57316 Imbecile Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:28:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57316 Frank Mir is 200 times the athlete that Brock Lesnar is!!! But like Nogueira on the soccer field, Mir still loses to the guy who is nowhere near his athletic equal. Frank Mir is 200 times the athlete that Brock Lesnar is!!!

But like Nogueira on the soccer field, Mir still loses to the guy who is nowhere near his athletic equal.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57315 Imbecile Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:26:20 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57315 Andrest took this one by a mile, except for one nice point by Caplan in correctly pointing out Couture's excellent gameplan that *may* have paid off in the later rounds. Props to Andrest for correctly pointing out the credible threats to Lesnar as a Heavyweight champ. Nogueira possesses the chin, jiu-jitsu, and endurance to frustrate Lesnar and drag him into the later rounds. Gonzaga seems to be forgotten on most people's lists, but I think he presents a very real threat to Lesnar. Sure, Gonzaga doesn't much seem to like getting hit, and he has suspect cardio. But Gonzaga also has world class BJJ, and is much stronger and better able to force his jiu-jitsu game on an opponent than most others. I'm interested to see how Carwin comes along, but I imagine Brock will still be better than Carwin at his strong points. But Carwin hits hard, and that might stop Lesnar. I don't see Mir as a credible threat in a rematch. However, against any of these guys I would still have Lesnar as a heavy favorite. I also disagree that Fedor would destroy Lesnar. I think it would be much the reverse. Caplan was only half-right when he said Fedor has better stand-up than Couture. Fedor hits much harder than Couture, and from different angles. But Couture has far superior foot work and head movement, and that keeps you from getting hit. Fedor may have a better chin than Randy, but getting hit from Lesnar won't be the same as recovering from a blow from Fujita. And Fedor's wrestling is far from the level of Couture or Lesnar. I say Lesnar takes this fight around 7 times out of 10, no matter how sacrilegious that is to us hardcore MMA fans. Andrest took this one by a mile, except for one nice point by Caplan in correctly pointing out Couture’s excellent gameplan that *may* have paid off in the later rounds.

Props to Andrest for correctly pointing out the credible threats to Lesnar as a Heavyweight champ. Nogueira possesses the chin, jiu-jitsu, and endurance to frustrate Lesnar and drag him into the later rounds. Gonzaga seems to be forgotten on most people’s lists, but I think he presents a very real threat to Lesnar. Sure, Gonzaga doesn’t much seem to like getting hit, and he has suspect cardio. But Gonzaga also has world class BJJ, and is much stronger and better able to force his jiu-jitsu game on an opponent than most others. I’m interested to see how Carwin comes along, but I imagine Brock will still be better than Carwin at his strong points. But Carwin hits hard, and that might stop Lesnar. I don’t see Mir as a credible threat in a rematch. However, against any of these guys I would still have Lesnar as a heavy favorite.

I also disagree that Fedor would destroy Lesnar. I think it would be much the reverse. Caplan was only half-right when he said Fedor has better stand-up than Couture. Fedor hits much harder than Couture, and from different angles. But Couture has far superior foot work and head movement, and that keeps you from getting hit. Fedor may have a better chin than Randy, but getting hit from Lesnar won’t be the same as recovering from a blow from Fujita. And Fedor’s wrestling is far from the level of Couture or Lesnar. I say Lesnar takes this fight around 7 times out of 10, no matter how sacrilegious that is to us hardcore MMA fans.

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]]> By: HexRei http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57311 HexRei Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:35:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57311 <b>FoSho on November 17th, 2008 2:32 pm I’m gonna laugh my ass off when Mir comes out of this “tournament” the champ!!!</b> What about Nog and Mir's respective careers (much less what we've seen of them on TUF this season, Mir looks fat and slow) makes you think Mir would even get past Nog to fight Brock again? I also seriously doubt Mir could take Brock again, two hail-mary submissions in a row = not likely, Mir himself admitted he was barely conscious when he pulled out that sub. FoSho on November 17th, 2008 2:32 pm

I’m gonna laugh my ass off when Mir comes out of this “tournament” the champ!!!

What about Nog and Mir’s respective careers (much less what we’ve seen of them on TUF this season, Mir looks fat and slow) makes you think Mir would even get past Nog to fight Brock again? I also seriously doubt Mir could take Brock again, two hail-mary submissions in a row = not likely, Mir himself admitted he was barely conscious when he pulled out that sub.

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]]> By: Gary Ibarra - www.Graffight.com http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57301 Gary Ibarra - www.Graffight.com Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:26:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57301 I think the best fight would have to be Lesnar versus Shane Carwin. Carwin is a beast just like Lesnar, both wrestlers. That would be the hardest fight to pick I think. I think the best fight would have to be Lesnar versus Shane Carwin. Carwin is a beast just like Lesnar, both wrestlers. That would be the hardest fight to pick I think.

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]]> By: D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57292 D Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:13:28 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57292 I still say that Round 1 could have gone to Randy if Lesnar hadn't stopped the takedown at the end of the round with an illegal cage grab. IMHO, a cage grab that stops a takedown or assists in an escape should be an automatic point deduction. Would that have stopped Randy from being KOed in the second. Probably not, but a Randy takedown would have been a big momentum shift going into the second. I still say that Round 1 could have gone to Randy if Lesnar hadn’t stopped the takedown at the end of the round with an illegal cage grab. IMHO, a cage grab that stops a takedown or assists in an escape should be an automatic point deduction.

Would that have stopped Randy from being KOed in the second. Probably not, but a Randy takedown would have been a big momentum shift going into the second.

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]]> By: FoSho http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57285 FoSho Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:32:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57285 I'm gonna laugh my ass off when Mir comes out of this "tournament" the champ!!! I’m gonna laugh my ass off when Mir comes out of this “tournament” the champ!!!

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]]> By: matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57283 matt Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:12:17 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57283 lesnar is very beatable. i was not impressed with his victory over an opponent he had 55 pounds on come fight time. yes couture is one of the best of all time but it looked like a father fighting his 8 year old son. gonzaga would give him a tough fight. nog will give him a tough fight on the ground. cain velasquez would negate the wrestling and pick him apart standing and carwin would be tough for him too. plenty of matches for him within the ufc lesnar is very beatable. i was not impressed with his victory over an opponent he had 55 pounds on come fight time. yes couture is one of the best of all time but it looked like a father fighting his 8 year old son. gonzaga would give him a tough fight. nog will give him a tough fight on the ground. cain velasquez would negate the wrestling and pick him apart standing and carwin would be tough for him too. plenty of matches for him within the ufc

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]]> By: Nick Travaglini http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57280 Nick Travaglini Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:01:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57280 Sam, You may be a little crazy if you think Lesnar is the favorite in a matchup with Nog. The prototipical fighter that Lesnar will have issues with is a guy with decent to above decent stand up and can fight from his back. That lumps in a few guys like Nog, Gonzaga, and as much as I hate to say it, Mir. Nogs hands, Gonzaga's kicks, and their ability to submit him from almost everywhere will be Lesnar's bane. He will not have the belt long, but I think he will get it a few times over because he beats most other fighters in the division. It will be interesting to watch either way. Sam, You may be a little crazy if you think Lesnar is the favorite in a matchup with Nog. The prototipical fighter that Lesnar will have issues with is a guy with decent to above decent stand up and can fight from his back. That lumps in a few guys like Nog, Gonzaga, and as much as I hate to say it, Mir. Nogs hands, Gonzaga’s kicks, and their ability to submit him from almost everywhere will be Lesnar’s bane. He will not have the belt long, but I think he will get it a few times over because he beats most other fighters in the division. It will be interesting to watch either way.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57267 Mike Wolfe Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:13:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57267 Lesnar didn't look gassed to me. Maybe in round three or four, but those didn't happen. Lesnar was a bad match up for Couture. Fighters like 'Nog and even Gonzaga will be more problematic for Lesnar due to their size, solid stand up (I'll never forget Gonzaga's knock out of Cro Cop) and grappling. Speaking of stand up, Lesnar's hands looked pretty good, especially since he's only had four fights. Lesnar didn’t look gassed to me. Maybe in round three or four, but those didn’t happen.

Lesnar was a bad match up for Couture. Fighters like ‘Nog and even Gonzaga will be more problematic for Lesnar due to their size, solid stand up (I’ll never forget Gonzaga’s knock out of Cro Cop) and grappling.

Speaking of stand up, Lesnar’s hands looked pretty good, especially since he’s only had four fights.

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]]> By: rob http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57255 rob Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:59:08 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57255 to piggy back off your statment troy - what's with Goldie saying when randy ahd him up against the cage (paraphrasing) randy's doing a nice job of wearing brock out - they were up against the cage - - anyways i have the under of 900k because the WWE "buyer" ahs already bought - i doubt they got another 300k in buys from that....I would say 800-825k, which is a huge number.... to piggy back off your statment troy – what’s with Goldie saying when randy ahd him up against the cage (paraphrasing) randy’s doing a nice job of wearing brock out – they were up against the cage – - anyways i have the under of 900k because the WWE “buyer” ahs already bought – i doubt they got another 300k in buys from that….I would say 800-825k, which is a huge number….

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]]> By: Troy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57252 Troy Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:31:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57252 Everyone is talking about Couture's plan was to wear down Lesnar, and had the fight gone into the late rounds that plan would lead to victory. However, watch the fight again, and check out Couture in his corner between rounds 1 & 2, and you will see is was breathing and gasping for air just as hard if not harder then Lesnar. Everyone is talking about Couture’s plan was to wear down Lesnar, and had the fight gone into the late rounds that plan would lead to victory. However, watch the fight again, and check out Couture in his corner between rounds 1 & 2, and you will see is was breathing and gasping for air just as hard if not harder then Lesnar.

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]]> By: Jeffrey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57245 Jeffrey Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:27:21 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57245 lost all respect for Caplan with his answer to #2. The staredown is your objective reason for Couture to win!! The staredown!! talk about something that has nothing to do with anything. Comlpete spectulation. Come on, you write for the best MMA blog, you need to bring some facts to the table or go home. lost all respect for Caplan with his answer to #2. The staredown is your objective reason for Couture to win!! The staredown!! talk about something that has nothing to do with anything. Comlpete spectulation. Come on, you write for the best MMA blog, you need to bring some facts to the table or go home.

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]]> By: darkmetal http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57230 darkmetal Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:48:04 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57230 tttt, so you are saying that Lesnar couldn't beat Tim Sylvia? Pulllease. Sam, I don't think Lesnar was gassed after the first round. My evidence? The shots of his and Randy's corners, where it was shown that Couture was struggling to regain his breath, whereas Lesnar was not breathing that heavily and was talking calmly to his corner. Nervous at times? yes. But gassed? no. tttt, so you are saying that Lesnar couldn’t beat Tim Sylvia? Pulllease.

Sam, I don’t think Lesnar was gassed after the first round. My evidence? The shots of his and Randy’s corners, where it was shown that Couture was struggling to regain his breath, whereas Lesnar was not breathing that heavily and was talking calmly to his corner. Nervous at times? yes. But gassed? no.

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]]> By: Davey D http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57225 Davey D Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:46:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57225 A few bar's close to me do not have a cover charge to watch the UFC event's. They usually pay around $1,400 or so to get the PPV from what I understand. These places get good business during PPV event's so they don't feel the need to charge a cover. I like the bar thing, it's cool but this past weekend I went to a fight party and had a blast. Watching from a couch with pizza & beer is a lot better. A few bar’s close to me do not have a cover charge to watch the UFC event’s. They usually pay around $1,400 or so to get the PPV from what I understand. These places get good business during PPV event’s so they don’t feel the need to charge a cover. I like the bar thing, it’s cool but this past weekend I went to a fight party and had a blast. Watching from a couch with pizza & beer is a lot better.

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]]> By: romano http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57216 romano Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:07:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57216 skwirll A bar doesn't count as one buy bud....the deal that they have worked out with the ufc is the reason why they have a cover for the night...please folks, do you really think that those bars pay 50 bucks for the event and that's it? it counts like closed circuit did back in the day...think of every cover charge paid by each individual like a movie ticket...now think about your comment....kinda stupid huh bud? skwirll

A bar doesn’t count as one buy bud….the deal that they have worked out with the ufc is the reason why they have a cover for the night…please folks, do you really think that those bars pay 50 bucks for the event and that’s it? it counts like closed circuit did back in the day…think of every cover charge paid by each individual like a movie ticket…now think about your comment….kinda stupid huh bud?

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]]> By: warmingo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57208 warmingo Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:09:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57208 herring was his own size well 10 lbs less herring was his own size well 10 lbs less

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]]> By: ttttt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/16/the-duel-special-post-ufc-91-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-57206 ttttt Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:02:22 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=8990#comment-57206 Brock would lose to a guy the same size as him. He has no skill in any area accept for maybe wrestling. Id like to see randy back at 205 hes just to small for HW. If Brock beats someone his own size maybe i wont hate him so much but untill then. Brock would lose to a guy the same size as him. He has no skill in any area accept for maybe wrestling.

Id like to see randy back at 205 hes just to small for HW.

If Brock beats someone his own size maybe i wont hate him so much but untill then.

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