The choice is both unintelligible and a non sequiter. I learned that one in a philosophy class. It was really cool. We learned about all kinds of smart people including Ayn Rand. It was right after my Econ 101 class. I really enjoyed that one, too. Lots of really interesting graphs about supply and demand. I wonder if they apply to fighters and fighter salaries?

Do you know any full time fighters? Or are you just some fan boy who thinks people are always their worth?

My guess is the latter.

PS I like the I.W.W. reference; so there is your hug and kiss from me.

sorry thought i put this in there.

generally this place is very good about keeping the bitching to a minimum, i was referring to sherdog and other forums where this is a daily topic.

I am not against a union at all, I am all for it. I would love to one day see fighters making as much as guys in the NBA or NFL. I do also agree that they need to make more money.

The current state of MMA just couldnt contain that. Each fighter just needs to find that sweet spot that the UFC is willing to pay them and not jump at the first offer ( dont know if thats what happens ).

There is a obvious need by the UFC for fighters, and an obvious need for the fighters by the UFC etc.. this does not mean that the UFC should pay its undercard fighters a ton of money to fight.

These guys chose to fight for a living, they chose the contract that they sign, they chose their sponsors, endorsment deals etc.. that was the point I was trying to make about the signing of a low grade contract. I do find it wrong that a guy could potentially get 3-4 fights a year at a max of 8k per fight, but again this is something they knew going into their chosen profession.

At some point at the rate this sport (UFC) is growing there will eventually be an established pay rate for fighters hitting the UFC and there will be a time when there will be a union, but the sport as it sits cant contain that. It took the NFL decades to get a union together, its not going to happen for the UFC overnight, and until there is a multi billion dollar tv deal on the table like the NFL you wont see very many fighters getting their own episode of cribs.

You think unionization is the reason the American auto industry is suffering? Really? I mean do you really believe this?

Amazing.

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“I am tired of hearing how much a fighter makes and everyone bitching about it otherwise. Leave the fighters paydays to them, if they wanted more money or needed more money they should have signed a better contract. If my job offered me 25k a year for a job I should be making 40k for I wouldnt work for them, fighters always have the option of not signing.”

First off, nobody here is “bitching”. There are much bigger fish to fry than for me to dwell on what MMA fighters make. I (and others) merely point out how asinine some of the comments that the “mikes” of this world make.

I don’t even know where to begin with your statement. Its sounds like something a kid who just got done with Econ 101 and thinks Ayn Rand is a major philosopher would say. By your logic we should abandon all labor laws.

For those of you who still believe that unions are a bad thing; do a little research and look at countries that have strong unions vs countries that have a low unionization rate. Compare the average wages of workers and get back to me. There are countries that put on the “golden straight jacket” and obey Milton’s laws; they are called third world.

Whining? Sherdog? WTF are you talking about?

I think most of us will agree that a fighters union would be very beneficial to all fighters involved.

I am tired of hearing how much a fighter makes and everyone bitching about it otherwise. Leave the fighters paydays to them, if they wanted more money or needed more money they should have signed a better contract. If my job offered me 25k a year for a job I should be making 40k for I wouldnt work for them, fighters always have the option of not signing.

Most of the up and coming guys sign with the UFC because they know its their best opportunity. Sure they could fight at regional shows 6-8 times a year and pull a little more money in that way, but your sponsors arent paying you as much as they would for a UFC appearance.

This is the life they choose and they know it will be difficult at first but a lot of them know the bigger paydays will be ahead. It just takes opening that door to the UFC, get a few wins and then the pay will be there.

The thing is put any one of you in the fighters’ shoes and you would have spasm over how little you’ve been paid.

People feel like it’s OK to say “they knew what they were getting into” but
it’s not YOUR money. The fighters have the right to say whatever they want because it’s their livelihood, their freaking goddamn money.
If you(or any of the sherdogger) took a hit in your paycheck, you’d have spasm.

Stop whining.

Not the right article to post this under but there’re so many “Mikes” out there it’s insane.

Lets see, 2-4 fights a year, gyms cut, managers cut, taxes, etc.

Go down to your local MMA gym and talk to some full-time fighters and ask how they survive. I would 80-90 percent of fighters rely more on sponsorships (and working at the gym) than their fight purses. The UFC’s profit margin is massive compared to other professional leagues where the revenue is more equitably shared.

Also what do fighters do after they retire? A few get into broadcasting and running gyms but most are probably on the outside looking in when it comes to getting decent employment. Being a full time MMA fighter isn’t exactly a desired skill in business (unless of course the business is in the MMA industry).