Comments on: UFC 91 salary figures go public http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:30:27 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57519 Mike Wolfe Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:36:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57519 I have no personal agenda for or against unions. I was a steelworker many years ago, and a member of some other unions here and there. The auto workers and management have cut their own throats, imo. The wages and benefits in the union contracts are not sustainable, and management decisions about their product lines were, as you point out, flawed. I don't think the feds are going to bail them out, so reps from the union and management will have to make some major concessions or they're going into bankruptcy, probably a ch. 11, where the decisions could be a lot more painful for both sides. Work together or die together. I have no personal agenda for or against unions. I was a steelworker many years ago, and a member of some other unions here and there. The auto workers and management have cut their own throats, imo. The wages and benefits in the union contracts are not sustainable, and management decisions about their product lines were, as you point out, flawed. I don’t think the feds are going to bail them out, so reps from the union and management will have to make some major concessions or they’re going into bankruptcy, probably a ch. 11, where the decisions could be a lot more painful for both sides. Work together or die together.

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]]> By: j. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57516 j. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:37:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57516 My bad Mike, I made some grammatical errors while typing, please don't consider me a troglodyte. the people making...relying on almost, get rid of that on. Please feel free to point any other ones out after all i don't have you're education. My bad Mike, I made some grammatical errors while typing, please don’t consider me a troglodyte. the people making…relying on almost, get rid of that on. Please feel free to point any other ones out after all i don’t have you’re education.

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]]> By: j. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57515 j. Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:26:09 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57515 I'm not an autoworker, but my union treats me great, 80-100K (Canadian$'s) a year for being a concrete worker. Also Mike, the problem with Detroit has nothing to do with the people make the vehicles but with the management, who are not union. Maybe if the white collars took pay cut or got fired instead of receiving multi-million $ severance checks for poor buisness decisions the situation wouldn't be so bad. Really, what kind of idiot came up with the idea of relying on almost exclusively on fuel inefficient vehicles in this time and age as a buisness model? The guys on the assembly line or the corporate big wigs, figure it out. I’m not an autoworker, but my union treats me great, 80-100K (Canadian$’s) a year for being a concrete worker. Also Mike, the problem with Detroit has nothing to do with the people make the vehicles but with the management, who are not union. Maybe if the white collars took pay cut or got fired instead of receiving multi-million $ severance checks for poor buisness decisions the situation wouldn’t be so bad. Really, what kind of idiot came up with the idea of relying on almost exclusively on fuel inefficient vehicles in this time and age as a buisness model? The guys on the assembly line or the corporate big wigs, figure it out.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57446 mike wolfe Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:03:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57446 Dice: The choice is both unintelligible and a non sequiter. I learned that one in a philosophy class. It was really cool. We learned about all kinds of smart people including Ayn Rand. It was right after my Econ 101 class. I really enjoyed that one, too. Lots of really interesting graphs about supply and demand. I wonder if they apply to fighters and fighter salaries? Dice:

The choice is both unintelligible and a non sequiter. I learned that one in a philosophy class. It was really cool. We learned about all kinds of smart people including Ayn Rand. It was right after my Econ 101 class. I really enjoyed that one, too. Lots of really interesting graphs about supply and demand. I wonder if they apply to fighters and fighter salaries?

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57444 dice Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:40:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57444 Don't get cynical now Mikey just because you made a moronic statement about why you needed to be reminded why fighters need a union. Do you know any full time fighters? Or are you just some fan boy who thinks people are always their worth? My guess is the latter. PS I like the I.W.W. reference; so there is your hug and kiss from me. Don’t get cynical now Mikey just because you made a moronic statement about why you needed to be reminded why fighters need a union.

Do you know any full time fighters? Or are you just some fan boy who thinks people are always their worth?

My guess is the latter.

PS I like the I.W.W. reference; so there is your hug and kiss from me.

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]]> By: mike wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57430 mike wolfe Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:32:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57430 What? no hugs and kisses for me? I feel so left out. I guess I'll just go off somewhere and reminisce about the glory days of the I.W.W. and maybe hum some Woody Guthrie songs. What? no hugs and kisses for me? I feel so left out. I guess I’ll just go off somewhere and reminisce about the glory days of the I.W.W. and maybe hum some Woody Guthrie songs.

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]]> By: MMAStation http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57422 MMAStation Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:54:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57422 dice: sorry thought i put this in there. generally this place is very good about keeping the bitching to a minimum, i was referring to sherdog and other forums where this is a daily topic. dice:

sorry thought i put this in there.

generally this place is very good about keeping the bitching to a minimum, i was referring to sherdog and other forums where this is a daily topic.

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]]> By: MMAStation http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57421 MMAStation Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:52:38 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57421 dice: I am not against a union at all, I am all for it. I would love to one day see fighters making as much as guys in the NBA or NFL. I do also agree that they need to make more money. The current state of MMA just couldnt contain that. Each fighter just needs to find that sweet spot that the UFC is willing to pay them and not jump at the first offer ( dont know if thats what happens ). There is a obvious need by the UFC for fighters, and an obvious need for the fighters by the UFC etc.. this does not mean that the UFC should pay its undercard fighters a ton of money to fight. These guys chose to fight for a living, they chose the contract that they sign, they chose their sponsors, endorsment deals etc.. that was the point I was trying to make about the signing of a low grade contract. I do find it wrong that a guy could potentially get 3-4 fights a year at a max of 8k per fight, but again this is something they knew going into their chosen profession. At some point at the rate this sport (UFC) is growing there will eventually be an established pay rate for fighters hitting the UFC and there will be a time when there will be a union, but the sport as it sits cant contain that. It took the NFL decades to get a union together, its not going to happen for the UFC overnight, and until there is a multi billion dollar tv deal on the table like the NFL you wont see very many fighters getting their own episode of cribs. dice:

I am not against a union at all, I am all for it. I would love to one day see fighters making as much as guys in the NBA or NFL. I do also agree that they need to make more money.

The current state of MMA just couldnt contain that. Each fighter just needs to find that sweet spot that the UFC is willing to pay them and not jump at the first offer ( dont know if thats what happens ).

There is a obvious need by the UFC for fighters, and an obvious need for the fighters by the UFC etc.. this does not mean that the UFC should pay its undercard fighters a ton of money to fight.

These guys chose to fight for a living, they chose the contract that they sign, they chose their sponsors, endorsment deals etc.. that was the point I was trying to make about the signing of a low grade contract. I do find it wrong that a guy could potentially get 3-4 fights a year at a max of 8k per fight, but again this is something they knew going into their chosen profession.

At some point at the rate this sport (UFC) is growing there will eventually be an established pay rate for fighters hitting the UFC and there will be a time when there will be a union, but the sport as it sits cant contain that. It took the NFL decades to get a union together, its not going to happen for the UFC overnight, and until there is a multi billion dollar tv deal on the table like the NFL you wont see very many fighters getting their own episode of cribs.

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]]> By: dice http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57404 dice Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:17:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57404 Mike Wolfe "Maybe some of you are right about a fighter’s union. After all, it’s working so well for the automotive industry right now." You think unionization is the reason the American auto industry is suffering? Really? I mean do you really believe this? Amazing. MMAstation "I am tired of hearing how much a fighter makes and everyone bitching about it otherwise. Leave the fighters paydays to them, if they wanted more money or needed more money they should have signed a better contract. If my job offered me 25k a year for a job I should be making 40k for I wouldnt work for them, fighters always have the option of not signing." First off, nobody here is "bitching". There are much bigger fish to fry than for me to dwell on what MMA fighters make. I (and others) merely point out how asinine some of the comments that the "mikes" of this world make. I don't even know where to begin with your statement. Its sounds like something a kid who just got done with Econ 101 and thinks Ayn Rand is a major philosopher would say. By your logic we should abandon all labor laws. For those of you who still believe that unions are a bad thing; do a little research and look at countries that have strong unions vs countries that have a low unionization rate. Compare the average wages of workers and get back to me. There are countries that put on the "golden straight jacket" and obey Milton's laws; they are called third world. Mike Wolfe
“Maybe some of you are right about a fighter’s union. After all, it’s working so well for the automotive industry right now.”

You think unionization is the reason the American auto industry is suffering? Really? I mean do you really believe this?

Amazing.

MMAstation
“I am tired of hearing how much a fighter makes and everyone bitching about it otherwise. Leave the fighters paydays to them, if they wanted more money or needed more money they should have signed a better contract. If my job offered me 25k a year for a job I should be making 40k for I wouldnt work for them, fighters always have the option of not signing.”

First off, nobody here is “bitching”. There are much bigger fish to fry than for me to dwell on what MMA fighters make. I (and others) merely point out how asinine some of the comments that the “mikes” of this world make.

I don’t even know where to begin with your statement. Its sounds like something a kid who just got done with Econ 101 and thinks Ayn Rand is a major philosopher would say. By your logic we should abandon all labor laws.

For those of you who still believe that unions are a bad thing; do a little research and look at countries that have strong unions vs countries that have a low unionization rate. Compare the average wages of workers and get back to me. There are countries that put on the “golden straight jacket” and obey Milton’s laws; they are called third world.

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]]> By: Mike Wolfe http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/17/randy-couture-and-brock-lesnar-amongst-top-earners-for-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57399 Mike Wolfe Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:35:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9021#comment-57399 Chris C Whining? Sherdog? WTF are you talking about? Chris C

Whining? Sherdog? WTF are you talking about?

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