Comments on: M-1 Releases Statement Regarding Brock Lesnar’s Victory at UFC 91 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 18:11:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Cameron h http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-58311 Cameron h Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:07:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-58311 First off all I like the ufc, but I'm sick of watching the same fights. Dana white is ab idiot for not having a co promotion with affliction and m-1. It would make one of the biggest mma shows if not the biggest. Dana white does not care about the sport of mma but the bank roll of the ufc. First off all I like the ufc, but I’m sick of watching the same fights. Dana white is ab idiot for not having a co promotion with affliction and m-1. It would make one of the biggest mma shows if not the biggest. Dana white does not care about the sport of mma but the bank roll of the ufc.

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]]> By: Jesse http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-58253 Jesse Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:00:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-58253 just make the damn fight .. get fedor in the ufc ,, i want to see. just make the damn fight .. get fedor in the ufc ,, i want to see.

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]]> By: chad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-58197 chad Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:16:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-58197 You are absolutely right joey. The ufc IS a huge smoke screen all together and Fedor didnt sign with them because of this and how the fighters were treated / payed. But i knew Dana was simply fulla shit the day he even became so desperate to down play Fedor. Heres a word of the wise to all you dense people that are led astray by ufc propaganda. Dana White who is the man that puls the strings at UFC and his former right hand man Randy Couture were both people "SUPPOSEDLY" wanting a fight with Fedor !?! Then there is absolutely no reason or obstacles in the way other then the ones dana and couture created and they created them because they didnt want to fight Fedor because they knew what the outcome was going to be and knew that if they just ployed it all they could get advertisment/ publicity out of it but actually coming out and fighting would end all that B.S. with a very hard hitting truth (no pun intended). Its like the cocky person behind the pc keyboard vs the real man on the streeet asking you out, you know damn well hes not leaving his keyboard but insted he can safely set at it and type / advertise all the smack he wants and come up with bogus reasons why he cant fight. END OF STORY !!! and one last note, Couture was 16-8 prior to losing to lesnar, wtf kind of champion record is that ?? Cotoure doesnt even make the worlds top 5, lil chicken shit ducked Nog to !!! But of course he would since randy was tapped by someone nog easily submitted as well as his teammate Henderson whos much more dangerous then couture. You are absolutely right joey. The ufc IS a huge smoke screen all together and Fedor didnt sign with them because of this and how the fighters were treated / payed. But i knew Dana was simply fulla shit the day he even became so desperate to down play Fedor. Heres a word of the wise to all you dense people that are led astray by ufc propaganda. Dana White who is the man that puls the strings at UFC and his former right hand man Randy Couture were both people “SUPPOSEDLY” wanting a fight with Fedor !?! Then there is absolutely no reason or obstacles in the way other then the ones dana and couture created and they created them because they didnt want to fight Fedor because they knew what the outcome was going to be and knew that if they just ployed it all they could get advertisment/ publicity out of it but actually coming out and fighting would end all that B.S. with a very hard hitting truth (no pun intended). Its like the cocky person behind the pc keyboard vs the real man on the streeet asking you out, you know damn well hes not leaving his keyboard but insted he can safely set at it and type / advertise all the smack he wants and come up with bogus reasons why he cant fight. END OF STORY !!! and one last note, Couture was 16-8 prior to losing to lesnar, wtf kind of champion record is that ?? Cotoure doesnt even make the worlds top 5, lil chicken shit ducked Nog to !!! But of course he would since randy was tapped by someone nog easily submitted as well as his teammate Henderson whos much more dangerous then couture.

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]]> By: Max http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57988 Max Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:31:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57988 The way i see it, until you can take Fedor 1 on 1, you shouldn't say shit about him or his management. The way i see it, until you can take Fedor 1 on 1, you shouldn’t say shit about him or his management.

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]]> By: Joey http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57605 Joey Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:24:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57605 Yeah, he's fighting in a bush league and only cares about the money not fighting top contenders. Well he's already beat the nonbush league champion/interim champion/whatever you'll call him now TWICE. Also, if you forget Randy, he beat the champion they had before him in 36 seconds, and the champion before that is his next fight. Yeah, he should get out of the bush league and prove himself willing to fight anybody because Sylvia, Arlovski, Barnett, etc. are way less established than Valasquez and Carwin. Give me a break, if Fedor was in any other weight class than HW I'd agree with these statements but he's not. As far as what the UFC is doing, I understand it and I'd do the same thing if I was them but that does not excuse the people posting about the UFC to buy into their bullshit or marketing ploys. Yeah, he’s fighting in a bush league and only cares about the money not fighting top contenders. Well he’s already beat the nonbush league champion/interim champion/whatever you’ll call him now TWICE. Also, if you forget Randy, he beat the champion they had before him in 36 seconds, and the champion before that is his next fight. Yeah, he should get out of the bush league and prove himself willing to fight anybody because Sylvia, Arlovski, Barnett, etc. are way less established than Valasquez and Carwin. Give me a break, if Fedor was in any other weight class than HW I’d agree with these statements but he’s not.

As far as what the UFC is doing, I understand it and I’d do the same thing if I was them but that does not excuse the people posting about the UFC to buy into their bullshit or marketing ploys.

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]]> By: ZP580 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57593 ZP580 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:05:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57593 Lesner would get beat down. He couldnt even handle a 220 lb 45 year old that hasnt fought in over a year. Lets be real, he only caught Randy. Before that he was unsuccesful at striking and takeing Randy down. Lesners a joke. All he has is size and thats it. I hope he fights Nogeria. Lesner would get beat down. He couldnt even handle a 220 lb 45 year old that hasnt fought in over a year. Lets be real, he only caught Randy. Before that he was unsuccesful at striking and takeing Randy down. Lesners a joke. All he has is size and thats it. I hope he fights Nogeria.

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]]> By: leeg8r http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57565 leeg8r Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:19:25 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57565 You say Fedor only cares about money ???????? Money is obviously the only thing douche Dana cares about or he would given real MMA fans what they wanted and let Randy out of his contract to fight Fedor . You say Fedor only cares about money ???????? Money is obviously the only thing douche Dana cares about or he would given real MMA fans what they wanted and let Randy out of his contract to fight Fedor .

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]]> By: CanuckleSandwich http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57564 CanuckleSandwich Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:10:57 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57564 @ Bill Lumberg Yah, agreed the fighters deserve certain benefits at the expense of the promotion since they're the ones risking life and limb every day to make the promoters rich. ... but I don't agree with your position on the NFL as a model - the difference between the NFL union-based contract and most other leagues is the lack of **guaranteed** contracts. This is a huge factor. The money may seem high, but it's not a guaranteed longterm paycheque like, say MLB or whatever. If you end up really sucking or, even more likely, if you get badly injured and can't play for an extended period you can be released and say goodbye to your money. WHile it's not ideal for the fighters themselves long-term, that's not such a bad structure for promotional organisations involved in a combat sport like MMA where fighters' career length is never a certain thing. @ Bill Lumberg

Yah, agreed the fighters deserve certain benefits at the expense of the promotion since they’re the ones risking life and limb every day to make the promoters rich.

… but I don’t agree with your position on the NFL as a model – the difference between the NFL union-based contract and most other leagues is the lack of **guaranteed** contracts. This is a huge factor. The money may seem high, but it’s not a guaranteed longterm paycheque like, say MLB or whatever. If you end up really sucking or, even more likely, if you get badly injured and can’t play for an extended period you can be released and say goodbye to your money. WHile it’s not ideal for the fighters themselves long-term, that’s not such a bad structure for promotional organisations involved in a combat sport like MMA where fighters’ career length is never a certain thing.

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]]> By: leeg8r http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57563 leeg8r Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:03:41 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57563 Why woud'nt Dana want this fight to happen ? He says Fedor is overated and the pay per view would break record sales ! Maybe it's because Fedor is one of the first fighters that payed attention to how big of a douche bag Dana really is and did not need the UFC to help his career . Dana does not want the fight to happen because he knows Fedor will win and then he would have to offer him huge money to fight in the UFC and also prove that he is either blind or just full of shit ! Why woud’nt Dana want this fight to happen ? He says Fedor is overated and the pay per view would break record sales ! Maybe it’s because Fedor is one of the first fighters that payed attention to how big of a douche bag Dana really is and did not need the UFC to help his career . Dana does not want the fight to happen because he knows Fedor will win and then he would have to offer him huge money to fight in the UFC and also prove that he is either blind or just full of shit !

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]]> By: Bill Lumberg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57531 Bill Lumberg Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:31:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57531 I agree with a fighters union but am unsure how it would work with so many orginazations. The NBA pay structure I feel is the best any league has to offer because you dont negotiate, it is what it is. THe NFL is bullshit because you get guys like Jake Long securing a $60 million dollar deal before he even takes a snap. At least in the NBA it is a tiered structure off of time in the league. I mean could a jump start orginization like AFL, IFL , Affliction really honor union forced contracts? It will someday happen, just like the Diktas, Jim Brown and old time football players paid their dues and another generation is reaping the benifits- the current fighters are going to do the same. I agree with a fighters union but am unsure how it would work with so many orginazations. The NBA pay structure I feel is the best any league has to offer because you dont negotiate, it is what it is. THe NFL is bullshit because you get guys like Jake Long securing a $60 million dollar deal before he even takes a snap. At least in the NBA it is a tiered structure off of time in the league. I mean could a jump start orginization like AFL, IFL , Affliction really honor union forced contracts? It will someday happen, just like the Diktas, Jim Brown and old time football players paid their dues and another generation is reaping the benifits- the current fighters are going to do the same.

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]]> By: ken http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57527 ken Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:49:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57527 This idea is stupid for the UFC, wonderful for M-1. I don't get it. What business reason is there for the UFC to team with a rival organization? What does the UFC have to gain from such a deal. A Fedor fight? So what? As M-1 said in their statement, UFC can just market another contender and have huge payday's for themselves. If they work with M-1, maybe the payday is slightly larger with Fedor, but it's split with the partners . Then UFC gives up brand equity and dilutes their image, while the partners gain equity by association with the UFC. This idea is stupid for the UFC, wonderful for M-1.

I don’t get it. What business reason is there for the UFC to team with a rival organization? What does the UFC have to gain from such a deal.

A Fedor fight? So what?

As M-1 said in their statement, UFC can just market another contender and have huge payday’s for themselves.

If they work with M-1, maybe the payday is slightly larger with Fedor, but it’s split with the partners . Then UFC gives up brand equity and dilutes their image, while the partners gain equity by association with the UFC.

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]]> By: Carm http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57525 Carm Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:40:15 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57525 You gotta pay to play. UFC needs to start paying their fighters what they're worth and quit getting into pissing matches with individual fighter contracts. It's like the NFL telling TO to go eff himself. Although he deserves it. It just doesn't happen. Fighters need a union otherwise the fans will never truly see the best fights. Until then we're stuck with king of the hill vs rinky dink organizations. You gotta pay to play. UFC needs to start paying their fighters what they’re worth and quit getting into pissing matches with individual fighter contracts. It’s like the NFL telling TO to go eff himself. Although he deserves it. It just doesn’t happen. Fighters need a union otherwise the fans will never truly see the best fights. Until then we’re stuck with king of the hill vs rinky dink organizations.

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]]> By: just another A hole! http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57523 just another A hole! Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57523 Brock not getting out of the first round? Bull...Fedor is not Drago nor Rocky. Brock would drop him. Every fight in the UFC he's had, he's dropped his opponent. Too much power for Boris and Natasha Brock not getting out of the first round? Bull…Fedor is not Drago nor Rocky. Brock would drop him. Every fight in the UFC he’s had, he’s dropped his opponent. Too much power for Boris and Natasha

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]]> By: Bill Lumberg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57521 Bill Lumberg Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:51:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57521 Wow people are really going out on a limb here saying Fedor would own Brock. No shit, the point is Fedor doesnt care about fighting the best, he cares about money only. Fedor is by far the best fighter but that will eventually changed with age and time my friends. The fact is Amercia loves the UFC and it is growing to match the heights of the NFL and NBA. It has already surpassed MLB in my eyes. If they stick to their plan of international growth UFC will bar none be the best sporting orginization in the world within ten years. Fedor can play his games all he wants but this sport is going to out grow him and new talent will take over. Not saying that is Brock at all but I am excited to see new talented fighters who want to help this sport grow. Fedor and his russian buddies can keep fighting tomato cans in Japan and UFC castaways and this sport will pass him up in two to three years. It is a shame but I am to the point were I dont care if he fights here in america or not. This sport is getting to great and too big to worry about his baby ass and his poor management team. Wow people are really going out on a limb here saying Fedor would own Brock. No shit, the point is Fedor doesnt care about fighting the best, he cares about money only. Fedor is by far the best fighter but that will eventually changed with age and time my friends. The fact is Amercia loves the UFC and it is growing to match the heights of the NFL and NBA. It has already surpassed MLB in my eyes. If they stick to their plan of international growth UFC will bar none be the best sporting orginization in the world within ten years. Fedor can play his games all he wants but this sport is going to out grow him and new talent will take over. Not saying that is Brock at all but I am excited to see new talented fighters who want to help this sport grow. Fedor and his russian buddies can keep fighting tomato cans in Japan and UFC castaways and this sport will pass him up in two to three years. It is a shame but I am to the point were I dont care if he fights here in america or not. This sport is getting to great and too big to worry about his baby ass and his poor management team.

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]]> By: JizzMasterZero http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57520 JizzMasterZero Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:45:40 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57520 Why does this douchebag keep rearing his ugly head? Jerry, take your douche bag du jour shirts (aka Affliction), tie one around your neck and another to a tree branch and jump. Why does this douchebag keep rearing his ugly head? Jerry, take your douche bag du jour shirts (aka Affliction), tie one around your neck and another to a tree branch and jump.

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]]> By: JJ http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57509 JJ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:36:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57509 Anomie, good post, I agree. Anomie, good post, I agree.

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]]> By: Toad http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57494 Toad Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:54:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57494 the UFC will not consider co-promoting, dana has said it before. If fedor wants to fight the best, ...i guess that now includes brock lesnar, he must sign a contract with the UFC.... if his russian manager could stop being so damn stupid and do this then this conflict would be over with. the UFC will not consider co-promoting, dana has said it before. If fedor wants to fight the best, …i guess that now includes brock lesnar, he must sign a contract with the UFC…. if his russian manager could stop being so damn stupid and do this then this conflict would be over with.

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]]> By: anomie http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57492 anomie Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:23:45 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57492 I love new fanboys to the sport! Why? Because they don't remember when the UFC considered 100,000 buys a success or when Dana would grandstand with Pride so that he could draw attention to his promotion. Dana is their new messiah, and they trust in the name of his lordship. I love new fanboys to the sport! Why? Because they don’t remember when the UFC considered 100,000 buys a success or when Dana would grandstand with Pride so that he could draw attention to his promotion. Dana is their new messiah, and they trust in the name of his lordship.

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]]> By: Matt http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57489 Matt Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:28:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57489 Love how Jerry Millen is representing M-1 and basically uses this open letter as a soap box to rip the UFC. You can talk shit when you are successful not when you fail 3 times and soon to be a 4th. Yes, Brock would be soundly beaten by Fedor now, but given a year, I honestly would put money on Brock and would see him as a sound bet. Love how Jerry Millen is representing M-1 and basically uses this open letter as a soap box to rip the UFC. You can talk shit when you are successful not when you fail 3 times and soon to be a 4th. Yes, Brock would be soundly beaten by Fedor now, but given a year, I honestly would put money on Brock and would see him as a sound bet.

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]]> By: tylerdante69 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/18/m-1-releases-statement-regarding-brock-lesnars-victory-at-ufc-91/comment-page-1/#comment-57482 tylerdante69 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:01:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9077#comment-57482 “Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point.” Randy Couture “Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point.”

Randy Couture

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