Comments on: Dana White declares war against the American Kickboxing Academy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:45:19 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: ken http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57815 ken Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:03:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57815 UFC isn't really much different than most other profit oriented businesses. Dana's just a lot more upfront about what goes on. Go in to work tomarrow and ask for a 2% raise. Say you will quit if you don't get it. See what happens. UFC isn’t really much different than most other profit oriented businesses. Dana’s just a lot more upfront about what goes on.

Go in to work tomarrow and ask for a 2% raise. Say you will quit if you don’t get it. See what happens.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57764 Imbecile Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:37:44 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57764 The best argument here was made by armingo, and neosamurai has a stupid rebuttal. You can't turn armingo's argument around from a fighter's perspective because the fighter did not create the job to begin with. Without the UFC, none of these guys would have jobs in the fight business at all. The UFC is not relying on Jon Fitch to create its organization, nor was it reliant on any single fighter. The fighters did not create their own place to work. The UFC created a place for them to work through tens of millions of dollars, and a lot of hard work. Those so quick to judge the UFC's business practices should take note that the more everyone tries to tear down their supposed "monopoly," and tries to add to their business expenses by "looking out for the fighters," the greater the chance that MMA will die off. The less viable the UFC's business, and the less profit incentive they have, means the less chance that the business will continue to grow. We have seen how difficult it is to make a viable MMA organization out there, and if you start derailing the UFC's business model then there might not be a place for any of these people to have employment. Just take a look at how the unions destroyed the viable business models of American auto makers. Blame it on the economy all you want, but Volkswagon and Toyota are still investing in the American auto market, which says it is still a good market if you are able to produce things at an effective cost. But you always have morons like Michael Moore making movies about how it should be illegal for any company to fire anybody for any reason. You can't have a serious argument with people like that. Giving the fighters and managers too much power at this point could be a death knell for MMA as a whole. It is always the easy argument to make for the poor little worker over the big bad business executive. But it is usually a pedantic argument that only takes surface issues into account, and does not deal with the reality of who really takes the risks in the business, and who drives employment forward. ...And while we're at it, exactly who did the Bush administration call unpatriotic who disagreed with them? See if you can find me an example of this Caplan. And something more than just "well... it's common knowledge," or some other cop out like that. You are a journalist, so give an example for your blanket accusation. The only people I remember calling others unpatriotic were people like Jack Murtha and Nancy Pelosi, who would then promptly hide behind a false statement saying they were themselves being accused of lacking patriotism, though nobody ever made tat accusation. Cowardly and pathetic. The best argument here was made by armingo, and neosamurai has a stupid rebuttal. You can’t turn armingo’s argument around from a fighter’s perspective because the fighter did not create the job to begin with. Without the UFC, none of these guys would have jobs in the fight business at all. The UFC is not relying on Jon Fitch to create its organization, nor was it reliant on any single fighter. The fighters did not create their own place to work. The UFC created a place for them to work through tens of millions of dollars, and a lot of hard work.

Those so quick to judge the UFC’s business practices should take note that the more everyone tries to tear down their supposed “monopoly,” and tries to add to their business expenses by “looking out for the fighters,” the greater the chance that MMA will die off. The less viable the UFC’s business, and the less profit incentive they have, means the less chance that the business will continue to grow. We have seen how difficult it is to make a viable MMA organization out there, and if you start derailing the UFC’s business model then there might not be a place for any of these people to have employment.

Just take a look at how the unions destroyed the viable business models of American auto makers. Blame it on the economy all you want, but Volkswagon and Toyota are still investing in the American auto market, which says it is still a good market if you are able to produce things at an effective cost. But you always have morons like Michael Moore making movies about how it should be illegal for any company to fire anybody for any reason. You can’t have a serious argument with people like that.

Giving the fighters and managers too much power at this point could be a death knell for MMA as a whole. It is always the easy argument to make for the poor little worker over the big bad business executive. But it is usually a pedantic argument that only takes surface issues into account, and does not deal with the reality of who really takes the risks in the business, and who drives employment forward.

…And while we’re at it, exactly who did the Bush administration call unpatriotic who disagreed with them? See if you can find me an example of this Caplan. And something more than just “well… it’s common knowledge,” or some other cop out like that. You are a journalist, so give an example for your blanket accusation. The only people I remember calling others unpatriotic were people like Jack Murtha and Nancy Pelosi, who would then promptly hide behind a false statement saying they were themselves being accused of lacking patriotism, though nobody ever made tat accusation. Cowardly and pathetic.

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]]> By: marc in bc http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57750 marc in bc Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:49:43 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57750 Anybody know what the legal ramifications would be if all the fighters on the next card refused to fight? I know it would never happen but just curious... Anybody know what the legal ramifications would be if all the fighters on the next card refused to fight? I know it would never happen but just curious…

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]]> By: marc in bc http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57749 marc in bc Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:44:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57749 This situation is a prime example of how a lack of strong organizations is bad for fighters. Hopefully all the UFC baglickers are happy now. Support AFFLICTION, WORLD VICTORY ROAD, DREAM, STRIKEFORCE, and any other organization you can. FUCK DANA. This situation is a prime example of how a lack of strong organizations is bad for fighters. Hopefully all the UFC baglickers are happy now.
Support AFFLICTION, WORLD VICTORY ROAD, DREAM, STRIKEFORCE, and any other organization you can. FUCK DANA.

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]]> By: JacRabbit http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57743 JacRabbit Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:54:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57743 "THQ’s “UFC Undisputed” is said to be a great game and the feeling is that it could be one of the highest grossing video games of all time." Oh my...I'm hoping nobody at THQ or UFC actually believes this. A little game by the name of World of Warcraft currently has 11 million subscribed (monthly paying) players. 'UFC Undisputed' likely wouldn't even come as close as the 100 rank in this category. “THQ’s “UFC Undisputed” is said to be a great game and the feeling is that it could be one of the highest grossing video games of all time.”

Oh my…I’m hoping nobody at THQ or UFC actually believes this. A little game by the name of World of Warcraft currently has 11 million subscribed (monthly paying) players. ‘UFC Undisputed’ likely wouldn’t even come as close as the 100 rank in this category.

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]]> By: kdawg http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57721 kdawg Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:06:02 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57721 From the site i posted above: Interviewer: One of the things that seems to be bandied about in this whole is this idea of a lifetime exclusive rights deal for merchandising stuff... Dana: No, no. There's no lifetime deal on merchandising. The merchandising deal is non-exclusive. They can go out and do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it. with whoever they want to, and we haven't pressured anyone to sign that thing. From the site i posted above:

Interviewer: One of the things that seems to be bandied about in this whole is this idea of a lifetime exclusive rights deal for merchandising stuff…

Dana: No, no. There’s no lifetime deal on merchandising. The merchandising deal is non-exclusive. They can go out and do whatever they want to do, whenever they want to do it. with whoever they want to, and we haven’t pressured anyone to sign that thing.

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]]> By: ultmma http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57715 ultmma Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:46:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57715 But hey when your the only game in town........ Seriously folks this is the MMA reality we live in now, all the UFC fan boys who wished death upon Pride, Elite XC, IFL etc. Now we have one major org with all the power and its going to be take it or leave attitude with Zuffa from now on But hey when your the only game in town……..

Seriously folks this is the MMA reality we live in now, all the UFC fan boys who wished death upon Pride, Elite XC, IFL etc.

Now we have one major org with all the power and its going to be take it or leave attitude with Zuffa from now on

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]]> By: ihateemo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57705 ihateemo Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:17:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57705 I am appalled and somewhat bewildered that people are coming out in favour of the UFC owning lifetime rights to fighters' images and that, in the event of a fighter's death, royalties from the use of the fighter's image would not be paid to their families. Of course, I respect Dana White's right to use his bully pulpit and virtual monopoly as a negotiating platform to strongarm fighters into signing contracts that benefit the business and not the fighter but I have to give huge kudos to the majority of AKA (boo to Mike Swick for caving) for standing virtually united. Fitch's points are salient and reasonable. You can pay a guy $170k to fight for one night but you owe them a hell of a lot more for a lifetime of service. I am appalled and somewhat bewildered that people are coming out in favour of the UFC owning lifetime rights to fighters’ images and that, in the event of a fighter’s death, royalties from the use of the fighter’s image would not be paid to their families.

Of course, I respect Dana White’s right to use his bully pulpit and virtual monopoly as a negotiating platform to strongarm fighters into signing contracts that benefit the business and not the fighter but I have to give huge kudos to the majority of AKA (boo to Mike Swick for caving) for standing virtually united.

Fitch’s points are salient and reasonable. You can pay a guy $170k to fight for one night but you owe them a hell of a lot more for a lifetime of service.

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]]> By: Justin Van Hook http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57702 Justin Van Hook Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:11:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57702 Dana White has absolutely got to go! Though I am sure he will never be fired it is clear his only influence in the world off mma is negative. There was a time when he was helping the sport grow, but now all he's doing is making us all look stupid. I'm tired of defending my love for mma to outsiders who only see guys like Dana spewing hate and acting tough. It's so easy to see why a casual sports fan would be turned off by the UFC. Dana has gone as far as he can go in this sport. He has successfully brought in the mma base of hard-core douche bag tough guy fans that would be into it no matter what. Now it's time to get someone with crossover appeal if the UFC is to continue to grow. Dana White has absolutely got to go!

Though I am sure he will never be fired it is clear his only influence in the world off mma is negative. There was a time when he was helping the sport grow, but now all he’s doing is making us all look stupid.

I’m tired of defending my love for mma to outsiders who only see guys like Dana spewing hate and acting tough. It’s so easy to see why a casual sports fan would be turned off by the UFC. Dana has gone as far as he can go in this sport. He has successfully brought in the mma base of hard-core douche bag tough guy fans that would be into it no matter what. Now it’s time to get someone with crossover appeal if the UFC is to continue to grow.

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]]> By: T-Vo http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/20/dana-white-declares-war-against-the-american-kickboxing-academy/comment-page-1/#comment-57701 T-Vo Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:10:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9113#comment-57701 Let me see, Fighters who became popular and made money without the UFC. Cung Le, Fedor and his Brother, a slew of ex Pride fighters who never came to the UFC, and on a bit lesser level Chris Horodecki. So the list isn;t big, but its possible for MMA Stars to blossom without the UFC's involvement. I hope all the AKA guys go to Strikeforce. Strikeforce is the possible sleeping future giant of MMA. They conintue to move along methodically, putting on shows, make money and even have a deal with NBC. Sing all the AKA guys, Tito Ortiz and wait for Cung Le to fight in 2009 and put on a primetime NBC show. Let me see, Fighters who became popular and made money without the UFC.
Cung Le, Fedor and his Brother, a slew of ex Pride fighters who never came to the UFC, and on a bit lesser level Chris Horodecki. So the list isn;t big, but its possible for MMA Stars to blossom without the UFC’s involvement. I hope all the AKA guys go to Strikeforce. Strikeforce is the possible sleeping future giant of MMA. They conintue to move along methodically, putting on shows, make money and even have a deal with NBC. Sing all the AKA guys, Tito Ortiz and wait for Cung Le to fight in 2009 and put on a primetime NBC show.

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