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	<title>Comments on: Many lessons to be learned from the Jon Fitch crisis</title>
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		<title>By: MMA SKOOL™</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/11/21/many-lessons-to-be-learned-from-the-jon-fitch-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-58203</link>
		<dc:creator>MMA SKOOL™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Sam.

But the title or headline of the article should be &quot;Fitch Reinstated. Lessons Learned.&quot; Or something like that. The way its currently titled, you almost have to already know he was brought back.

This is about the only MMA site I have time to read, and with the new format I like to skim over the front page at all the stories. (Also, I&#039;m only stopping by about every other day.) Just like CNN.com, SI.com, or another magazine/news site, titles of stories are important.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Sam.</p>
<p>But the title or headline of the article should be &#8220;Fitch Reinstated. Lessons Learned.&#8221; Or something like that. The way its currently titled, you almost have to already know he was brought back.</p>
<p>This is about the only MMA site I have time to read, and with the new format I like to skim over the front page at all the stories. (Also, I&#8217;m only stopping by about every other day.) Just like CNN.com, SI.com, or another magazine/news site, titles of stories are important.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: mike wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your&#039;re right, Lyle.  The UFC stinks, everybody who likes it stinks, and everybody who ever disagreed with you stinks.  Now go back to porn sites or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your&#8217;re right, Lyle.  The UFC stinks, everybody who likes it stinks, and everybody who ever disagreed with you stinks.  Now go back to porn sites or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyle Howard Seave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle Howard Seave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;and my faith in the sport is restored. 

Excellent article except for this part above.

Why was it restored? Nothing has changed. 
Most of the MMA sites had no guts and called it business as usual at least you called it like it is. I just dont see why your faith is restored. Everything is in place for this to replay itself over and over again.

Everyone one of these events reminds us that Fedor is not wrong for not signing with the UFC anything past one fight. Why should he? He fought the best of his period (except Barnett), he is rich and can still make a few bucks, he has lots of leverage, he is revered in his home and loved in Asia. 
Why would he  give away all the leverage he has? For the glory of having a UFC belt even though its HW division is pathetic and the only fighter worth a damn is Nog (when did he last fight? Last year?)

The Ali Act should apply to MMA as well, let&#039;s hope someone is taking this all down.
There is no reason why it shouldnt be forced to use rules which were in place to protect athletes.

Blaming Fitch isnt fair because he isnt an international name, therefore he can only fight in the US. He has no choice.

As for the nauseating nuthuggers, youre like the douchebags who wear your 40$ Nike hats. You are label seekers. It makes you feel better to wear, eat, listen or own something taht is popular. The UFC is popular, therefore youre McDonalds dayjob is forgottena adn you fell validation.
Im sure you go to casinos and trash talk the losers: &quot;Yeah bitch, dealer oooooowns your ass, suckah. The house rulez!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;and my faith in the sport is restored. </p>
<p>Excellent article except for this part above.</p>
<p>Why was it restored? Nothing has changed.<br />
Most of the MMA sites had no guts and called it business as usual at least you called it like it is. I just dont see why your faith is restored. Everything is in place for this to replay itself over and over again.</p>
<p>Everyone one of these events reminds us that Fedor is not wrong for not signing with the UFC anything past one fight. Why should he? He fought the best of his period (except Barnett), he is rich and can still make a few bucks, he has lots of leverage, he is revered in his home and loved in Asia.<br />
Why would he  give away all the leverage he has? For the glory of having a UFC belt even though its HW division is pathetic and the only fighter worth a damn is Nog (when did he last fight? Last year?)</p>
<p>The Ali Act should apply to MMA as well, let&#8217;s hope someone is taking this all down.<br />
There is no reason why it shouldnt be forced to use rules which were in place to protect athletes.</p>
<p>Blaming Fitch isnt fair because he isnt an international name, therefore he can only fight in the US. He has no choice.</p>
<p>As for the nauseating nuthuggers, youre like the douchebags who wear your 40$ Nike hats. You are label seekers. It makes you feel better to wear, eat, listen or own something taht is popular. The UFC is popular, therefore youre McDonalds dayjob is forgottena adn you fell validation.<br />
Im sure you go to casinos and trash talk the losers: &#8220;Yeah bitch, dealer oooooowns your ass, suckah. The house rulez!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DamonO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DamonO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Dana White has a lot more to do than peruse open forums.  Do you honestly think that he would come on here and look for posts that are against him?  He doesn&#039;t need to explain himself about all of his antics.  He&#039;s a businessman and that is what he does.  He&#039;s successful for a reason and a huge asset to not only the UFC but MMA all around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Dana White has a lot more to do than peruse open forums.  Do you honestly think that he would come on here and look for posts that are against him?  He doesn&#8217;t need to explain himself about all of his antics.  He&#8217;s a businessman and that is what he does.  He&#8217;s successful for a reason and a huge asset to not only the UFC but MMA all around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: DamonO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DamonO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, a little off topic and more of a reply to another&#039;s comments. 

Personally, I believe that the whole situation with Couture leaving the UFC and coming back was for marketing purposes.  I may be wrong but hear me out.  Look how everything worked out.  Couture comes back to the UFC in time for a big payout.  Yea he signed a three fight contract but all the hype behind him leaving and coming back built an even larger fan base for him and the UFC.  Couture is smart and knows where the money is.  Even if he retires again without ever fighting Fedor, he will still have a home with the UFC doing something, commentary etc.  Not that he needs it as he is a pretty good business man as it is.  Besides, why would he want to fight for an organization in Affliction when they honestly won&#039;t make the cut.  Yea he may make one big paycheck before they go under but that&#039;s not worth it when you can fight for the UFC again multiple times.  I don&#039;t think that the UFC ever did him wrong.  I believe that there&#039;s a lot more going on behind the MMA scene than any of us know.  I have one word for you MARKETING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, a little off topic and more of a reply to another&#8217;s comments. </p>
<p>Personally, I believe that the whole situation with Couture leaving the UFC and coming back was for marketing purposes.  I may be wrong but hear me out.  Look how everything worked out.  Couture comes back to the UFC in time for a big payout.  Yea he signed a three fight contract but all the hype behind him leaving and coming back built an even larger fan base for him and the UFC.  Couture is smart and knows where the money is.  Even if he retires again without ever fighting Fedor, he will still have a home with the UFC doing something, commentary etc.  Not that he needs it as he is a pretty good business man as it is.  Besides, why would he want to fight for an organization in Affliction when they honestly won&#8217;t make the cut.  Yea he may make one big paycheck before they go under but that&#8217;s not worth it when you can fight for the UFC again multiple times.  I don&#8217;t think that the UFC ever did him wrong.  I believe that there&#8217;s a lot more going on behind the MMA scene than any of us know.  I have one word for you MARKETING.</p>
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		<title>By: mike wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam:

The situtation involving UFC and Couture was different in the sense that it was much more significant.  Couture is one of the most beloved fighters of all time, a repeat champion, and the current heavyweight champion when he tried to leave.  Like Fitch, he felt he wasn&#039;t being treated fairly under his contracts and went public.  Unlike the situation with Fitch, Couture didn&#039;t resolve his dispute for a year, and there were some criticisms back and forth and a lot of bad pr for White and UFC.  Despite that, UFC and MMA continued to flourish.  The situation with Fitch wasn&#039;t even close to that level of significance.  Even if Fitch hadn&#039;t signed a contract, the sport would have been fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam:</p>
<p>The situtation involving UFC and Couture was different in the sense that it was much more significant.  Couture is one of the most beloved fighters of all time, a repeat champion, and the current heavyweight champion when he tried to leave.  Like Fitch, he felt he wasn&#8217;t being treated fairly under his contracts and went public.  Unlike the situation with Fitch, Couture didn&#8217;t resolve his dispute for a year, and there were some criticisms back and forth and a lot of bad pr for White and UFC.  Despite that, UFC and MMA continued to flourish.  The situation with Fitch wasn&#8217;t even close to that level of significance.  Even if Fitch hadn&#8217;t signed a contract, the sport would have been fine.</p>
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		<title>By: RJA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sht you might be right king.....but how do you explain the eh?Just trying to through us off i bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sht you might be right king&#8230;..but how do you explain the eh?Just trying to through us off i bet.</p>
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		<title>By: king mah mah</title>
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		<dc:creator>king mah mah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. great article Sam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. great article Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: king mah mah</title>
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		<dc:creator>king mah mah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think stevefiji is Dana Whites screen name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think stevefiji is Dana Whites screen name.</p>
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		<title>By: RJA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve it was your p.s statement that i thought was a little uncalled for.i&#039;ts one thing putting in your 2 cents,but your comments were very argumentitive.And i gather from what you say thats what you enjoy doing,and thats fine.But can you please shorten your arguments.Just make them short and sweet,i get board easily.

       p.s you must be canadian eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve it was your p.s statement that i thought was a little uncalled for.i&#8217;ts one thing putting in your 2 cents,but your comments were very argumentitive.And i gather from what you say thats what you enjoy doing,and thats fine.But can you please shorten your arguments.Just make them short and sweet,i get board easily.</p>
<p>       p.s you must be canadian eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Gellegan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Gellegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very Good Article.

Thank you Sam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Good Article.</p>
<p>Thank you Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: stevefiji</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevefiji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJA &quot;kiss Dana&#039;s ass&quot;? I said we should back off and worry about more important stuff other than Dana&#039;s hardball stance and that&#039;s kissing ass???...in what language???  when the well schooled and experienecd conglomerate consultant in business policy author says we are better served replacing him? a guy who daily seems to end up with a TKO in every arena he competes????

And I should go to another blog..because I don&#039;t want to &#039;nitpick&#039; with the boys as u so eloquently put it. Hahahaha. It seems RJA that you feel that an opinion that is drawn from facts has no relevancy here in these comments... And that those like yours and the author&#039;s which convey flawed thinking are not opened to be challenged?  Good one buddy! That will make you a smarter person at the end of the day to listen only to one critically distorted side of things, 

These forums are all great...call Dana out and you get accolades, point out where the naysayers have no basis and they all say to post on Sherdog or somewhere else. Hahahaha!  Not one commenter that agreed with Sam truly realizes that Dana is doin it his way, more sucessfully than any of them could ever do and that this forum ONLY exists today because of his talents and they are idiots to think he&#039;s going anywhere because some board poster is mad at Dana throwing his weight around. Its MMA guys, survival of the fittest.and Dana fights more often and still has a better reord than Fedor. That is not kissing ass, show me where he got beat while making his company grow 165times larger then when he bought it, then challenge his tactics.    Deep thinkers this lot, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJA &#8220;kiss Dana&#8217;s ass&#8221;? I said we should back off and worry about more important stuff other than Dana&#8217;s hardball stance and that&#8217;s kissing ass???&#8230;in what language???  when the well schooled and experienecd conglomerate consultant in business policy author says we are better served replacing him? a guy who daily seems to end up with a TKO in every arena he competes????</p>
<p>And I should go to another blog..because I don&#8217;t want to &#8216;nitpick&#8217; with the boys as u so eloquently put it. Hahahaha. It seems RJA that you feel that an opinion that is drawn from facts has no relevancy here in these comments&#8230; And that those like yours and the author&#8217;s which convey flawed thinking are not opened to be challenged?  Good one buddy! That will make you a smarter person at the end of the day to listen only to one critically distorted side of things, </p>
<p>These forums are all great&#8230;call Dana out and you get accolades, point out where the naysayers have no basis and they all say to post on Sherdog or somewhere else. Hahahaha!  Not one commenter that agreed with Sam truly realizes that Dana is doin it his way, more sucessfully than any of them could ever do and that this forum ONLY exists today because of his talents and they are idiots to think he&#8217;s going anywhere because some board poster is mad at Dana throwing his weight around. Its MMA guys, survival of the fittest.and Dana fights more often and still has a better reord than Fedor. That is not kissing ass, show me where he got beat while making his company grow 165times larger then when he bought it, then challenge his tactics.    Deep thinkers this lot, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: RJA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess stevefigi would just assume everybody kiss dana&#039;s behind and praise him for the great job he&#039;s done.Well i agree that he&#039;s done a great job and think every educated MMA fan realizes that.But when you see someone loose there cool like dana clealy did,of course people are going to nitpic about his business ethics.And steve that is the point of these websites,to discuss these topics.So maybe you should go to another site.Or better yet start your own blog since you seem to know it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess stevefigi would just assume everybody kiss dana&#8217;s behind and praise him for the great job he&#8217;s done.Well i agree that he&#8217;s done a great job and think every educated MMA fan realizes that.But when you see someone loose there cool like dana clealy did,of course people are going to nitpic about his business ethics.And steve that is the point of these websites,to discuss these topics.So maybe you should go to another site.Or better yet start your own blog since you seem to know it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading this website for over a year now, it is awesome!  I have never commented on anything, BUT I had to speak up about this article.  I agree with everything in here!  Except Sams comparisons to NFL, NHL, NBA , MLB.  The big difference there, is they all have a union!  MMA/UFC or whatever you want to call it needs a union NOW!!!  Or sooner than later.  THAT is the only way they can try and oppose the Dana Whites, AND the Vince McMahons, that try and extort the fighters/entertainers we all love!

Are we as guilty as them for buying their PPVS???

Someone...ie Randy Coture...Please step up and unionize these boyz...if not not for the money (like Dana) but for the love of the game!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading this website for over a year now, it is awesome!  I have never commented on anything, BUT I had to speak up about this article.  I agree with everything in here!  Except Sams comparisons to NFL, NHL, NBA , MLB.  The big difference there, is they all have a union!  MMA/UFC or whatever you want to call it needs a union NOW!!!  Or sooner than later.  THAT is the only way they can try and oppose the Dana Whites, AND the Vince McMahons, that try and extort the fighters/entertainers we all love!</p>
<p>Are we as guilty as them for buying their PPVS???</p>
<p>Someone&#8230;ie Randy Coture&#8230;Please step up and unionize these boyz&#8230;if not not for the money (like Dana) but for the love of the game!!!</p>
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		<title>By: stevefiji</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevefiji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes Sam, you really nail it, sometimes you write total garbage…I finally figured out the Sam Caplan article predictor.  If you write about fighters on a personal level, actual fights and the breakdown of what transpired or about the databases of fighters and possible scenarios involving organizations and/or match-ups, you shine and you have few industry peers.  If/when you write about macro event implications and particularly business management editorials you seriously come off well below amateurish.  This diatribe about what the UFC should do would not even make my poo poo stick to it as its printed value would be less than that of toilet paper.

The UFC should do this and that…Dana should do this or that…. Dana is not appropriate….hahahaha!	  

Dude, Dana built a 500 million dollar business from a 3 million dollar tomato can with a cauliflower ear.  Sure he had Zuffa money but he did it.  Sam, what did you do, except build a website that has 99.9% of its readers ONLY because of what Dana did?  That fact is just hilarious if we look at this in the proper perspective.   Should Dana tell you to stop writing idiot business management editorials and stick to technical and fighter roll call type articles?

Fitch got bitchslapped, made an example of and then he put his tail between his legs and signed the next day.  T-shirt guy and ever future wannabe learned a lot this week.  That they are NOT relevant and that the UFC dictates.  Fighters learned with Randy and now with Fitch, if you wanna play, we play hardball and until expansion and universal legislation and greater economic security have been achieved, be damn grateful that you can kick someone’s as and be paid well for it instead of going to jail or go fight on Affliction 3 or 4 if they ever happen :-)

Sure Dana is emotional; sure he does some things w/o enough forethought… but name a person who went up against him who beat him?  Name a faster growing major sports franchise ……ever?  Dana is the sum total of his parts and they have good and bad but they are supremely effective and he has some of the most amazing instincts I have ever seen and have help to give us an amazing new sport that is going into the stratosphere.  

Everyone wants to be more, but we all need to know our strengths.  Golberg should 100% stay away from the color commentary and Sam Caplan should stick with technical and roster-based MMA reporting before attempting anymore high comedy.

Cheers Mates

p.s. This site is so badly in need of an editorial position contrary to the existing core contributors.  It’s like a bunch of whiny Democrats when Reagan was ‘takin names and kickin ass’ and so they had to nitpick on little stuff and try and make an issue  (and no I am not Republican) but I am able to discern ‘when it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.’</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes Sam, you really nail it, sometimes you write total garbage…I finally figured out the Sam Caplan article predictor.  If you write about fighters on a personal level, actual fights and the breakdown of what transpired or about the databases of fighters and possible scenarios involving organizations and/or match-ups, you shine and you have few industry peers.  If/when you write about macro event implications and particularly business management editorials you seriously come off well below amateurish.  This diatribe about what the UFC should do would not even make my poo poo stick to it as its printed value would be less than that of toilet paper.</p>
<p>The UFC should do this and that…Dana should do this or that…. Dana is not appropriate….hahahaha!	  </p>
<p>Dude, Dana built a 500 million dollar business from a 3 million dollar tomato can with a cauliflower ear.  Sure he had Zuffa money but he did it.  Sam, what did you do, except build a website that has 99.9% of its readers ONLY because of what Dana did?  That fact is just hilarious if we look at this in the proper perspective.   Should Dana tell you to stop writing idiot business management editorials and stick to technical and fighter roll call type articles?</p>
<p>Fitch got bitchslapped, made an example of and then he put his tail between his legs and signed the next day.  T-shirt guy and ever future wannabe learned a lot this week.  That they are NOT relevant and that the UFC dictates.  Fighters learned with Randy and now with Fitch, if you wanna play, we play hardball and until expansion and universal legislation and greater economic security have been achieved, be damn grateful that you can kick someone’s as and be paid well for it instead of going to jail or go fight on Affliction 3 or 4 if they ever happen <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sure Dana is emotional; sure he does some things w/o enough forethought… but name a person who went up against him who beat him?  Name a faster growing major sports franchise ……ever?  Dana is the sum total of his parts and they have good and bad but they are supremely effective and he has some of the most amazing instincts I have ever seen and have help to give us an amazing new sport that is going into the stratosphere.  </p>
<p>Everyone wants to be more, but we all need to know our strengths.  Golberg should 100% stay away from the color commentary and Sam Caplan should stick with technical and roster-based MMA reporting before attempting anymore high comedy.</p>
<p>Cheers Mates</p>
<p>p.s. This site is so badly in need of an editorial position contrary to the existing core contributors.  It’s like a bunch of whiny Democrats when Reagan was ‘takin names and kickin ass’ and so they had to nitpick on little stuff and try and make an issue  (and no I am not Republican) but I am able to discern ‘when it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.’</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue I still have is in the &quot;strong arm tactics&quot; that were used. Whether the Fertittas sweetened the deal for Fitch or not, this can only draw into Dana&#039;s ego in the long run. These tactics and the good/bad cop situation can only get you so far. After a while, someone is going to break the cycle. You can push all you want but in the end you will start getting pushed back.

Personally, I believe this is the beginning of the break. You could tell by the way Dana sounded. He went from bad cop to insane cop in a heart beat. That&#039;s not good for anyone. As far as I was concerned, Dana pushed it a bit too far this time which is what initially upset me the most. 

One of these days, when one of these issues floats up to the surface again, Dana is going to push the wrong button. This isn&#039;t a relief and a sign of restored faith. As far as I can tell, this is where the break starts. Dana White or the Fertittas need to look in the mirror and stop the bleeding before it gets worse. Step back, collect your thoughts and figure out a way to go about business before you really start to damage the image of this fine sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue I still have is in the &#8220;strong arm tactics&#8221; that were used. Whether the Fertittas sweetened the deal for Fitch or not, this can only draw into Dana&#8217;s ego in the long run. These tactics and the good/bad cop situation can only get you so far. After a while, someone is going to break the cycle. You can push all you want but in the end you will start getting pushed back.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe this is the beginning of the break. You could tell by the way Dana sounded. He went from bad cop to insane cop in a heart beat. That&#8217;s not good for anyone. As far as I was concerned, Dana pushed it a bit too far this time which is what initially upset me the most. </p>
<p>One of these days, when one of these issues floats up to the surface again, Dana is going to push the wrong button. This isn&#8217;t a relief and a sign of restored faith. As far as I can tell, this is where the break starts. Dana White or the Fertittas need to look in the mirror and stop the bleeding before it gets worse. Step back, collect your thoughts and figure out a way to go about business before you really start to damage the image of this fine sport.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that people still don&#039;t get Dana and Lorenzo&#039;s relationship after all this time, remember back to the Randy mess who was there when the UFC exposed Couture about lying about his pay?. 

Dana and Lorenzo are basically the same person while White is loud and brash, Lorenzo is more laid back both but of them are cutthroat businessmen. Dana while powerful doesn&#039;t have the stroke to just release fighters without getting the ok from his bosses, he didn&#039;t just decide to release the AKA fighters overnight it was all a plan to send a message. Which is exacly what they did, do you think there is one guy or camp that won&#039;t sign the deal now?, and just like that Zuffa once again shows that it&#039;s their way or the highway. Fitch ended up signing the exact same deal that he supposedly didn&#039;t want to sign and was embarrased in front of the mma masses. 

Call it good cop, bad cop or just smart business tactics but Dana and Lorenzo don&#039;t make moves without the others backing they&#039;ve proven that before with the Tito situation. The idea that the UFC has to change their business model is silly and stupid when they just pulled off another example of why their way is very succesful and that won&#039;t change because a couple of internet bloggers got emotional over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that people still don&#8217;t get Dana and Lorenzo&#8217;s relationship after all this time, remember back to the Randy mess who was there when the UFC exposed Couture about lying about his pay?. </p>
<p>Dana and Lorenzo are basically the same person while White is loud and brash, Lorenzo is more laid back both but of them are cutthroat businessmen. Dana while powerful doesn&#8217;t have the stroke to just release fighters without getting the ok from his bosses, he didn&#8217;t just decide to release the AKA fighters overnight it was all a plan to send a message. Which is exacly what they did, do you think there is one guy or camp that won&#8217;t sign the deal now?, and just like that Zuffa once again shows that it&#8217;s their way or the highway. Fitch ended up signing the exact same deal that he supposedly didn&#8217;t want to sign and was embarrased in front of the mma masses. </p>
<p>Call it good cop, bad cop or just smart business tactics but Dana and Lorenzo don&#8217;t make moves without the others backing they&#8217;ve proven that before with the Tito situation. The idea that the UFC has to change their business model is silly and stupid when they just pulled off another example of why their way is very succesful and that won&#8217;t change because a couple of internet bloggers got emotional over it.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My issue never was that he was out of the UFC as i believe he would survive without them. Sure, he may have to go to japan or take a pay cut, fight in smaller shows and train other fighters. But he would survive. Only that the UFC asked for something they were not entitled to. Lifetime Likeness Rights. As a result of not getting that, they fired Fitch. The UFC got what they wanted. Fitch may have recieved some type of financial compensation for it, but still compromised. Until further reports clarify the new deal (which i speculate is the same one offered, with a few more dollars thrown in, but still lifetime likeness rights) I will still believe there has been a compromise and the UFC strong arm tactics prevailed. Like others have said, we probably won&#039;t ever see that contract so all comments are speculative. Mine included.

As you say though, Fitch is back in  the UFC and that is a great thing for MMA and for Fitch. 

But realistically, this whole thing was a disgraceful mess.
Well done Dana and Lorenzo. Credibility -1. (IMO) John Fitch credibility -1. The Fans respect for the UFC - 100. Thank you all for blemishing a great sport with predominantly great people in it with your stupid antics. Now release the terms of the deal you fools. So that we may see who&#039;s credibility really needs to take a -1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My issue never was that he was out of the UFC as i believe he would survive without them. Sure, he may have to go to japan or take a pay cut, fight in smaller shows and train other fighters. But he would survive. Only that the UFC asked for something they were not entitled to. Lifetime Likeness Rights. As a result of not getting that, they fired Fitch. The UFC got what they wanted. Fitch may have recieved some type of financial compensation for it, but still compromised. Until further reports clarify the new deal (which i speculate is the same one offered, with a few more dollars thrown in, but still lifetime likeness rights) I will still believe there has been a compromise and the UFC strong arm tactics prevailed. Like others have said, we probably won&#8217;t ever see that contract so all comments are speculative. Mine included.</p>
<p>As you say though, Fitch is back in  the UFC and that is a great thing for MMA and for Fitch. </p>
<p>But realistically, this whole thing was a disgraceful mess.<br />
Well done Dana and Lorenzo. Credibility -1. (IMO) John Fitch credibility -1. The Fans respect for the UFC &#8211; 100. Thank you all for blemishing a great sport with predominantly great people in it with your stupid antics. Now release the terms of the deal you fools. So that we may see who&#8217;s credibility really needs to take a -1.</p>
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		<title>By: cormac</title>
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		<dc:creator>cormac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece , spot on Sam. Im just lost for words on the whole situation , i think the UFC needs some serious changes in its organisation structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece , spot on Sam. Im just lost for words on the whole situation , i think the UFC needs some serious changes in its organisation structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathedron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathedron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know everyone wants to think that Dana&#039;s losing it, but I think he did exactly what Lorenzo wanted him to do from the beginning.  People have been calling it &quot;bad cop/good cop&quot; and I think that&#039;s exactly right.  They grew up together.  They&#039;ve worked together for decades.  I really think they know what they are doing.  Lorenzo uses Dana like a blunt instrument to say and do the outrageous things he wants said and done but without taking the heat for it.

Dino:  True, White was just trying to make Tito look bad with that Bad Blood special, but remember that White used to train boxing.  Not only that, Dana used to spar (boxing only) with Tito and Chuck back when he managed them.  Multiple people have said that Dana routinely beat Tito when they sparred.  Tito&#039;s boxing has improved, but it&#039;s still the weakest aspect of his game.  I think Dana would have beaten him, but either way, Tito did the smart thing by pulling out.  Tito would have looked extremely bad by A) showing how weak his boxing is or B) beating up someone who isn&#039;t a professional fighter (and possibly both could have happened).  It was a no-win situation for Tito.  Dana talking shit about him is nothing new, so nothing was changed by Tito pulling out.  Why Tito challenged Dana is beyond me.  There was no way for him to come out of it looking good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know everyone wants to think that Dana&#8217;s losing it, but I think he did exactly what Lorenzo wanted him to do from the beginning.  People have been calling it &#8220;bad cop/good cop&#8221; and I think that&#8217;s exactly right.  They grew up together.  They&#8217;ve worked together for decades.  I really think they know what they are doing.  Lorenzo uses Dana like a blunt instrument to say and do the outrageous things he wants said and done but without taking the heat for it.</p>
<p>Dino:  True, White was just trying to make Tito look bad with that Bad Blood special, but remember that White used to train boxing.  Not only that, Dana used to spar (boxing only) with Tito and Chuck back when he managed them.  Multiple people have said that Dana routinely beat Tito when they sparred.  Tito&#8217;s boxing has improved, but it&#8217;s still the weakest aspect of his game.  I think Dana would have beaten him, but either way, Tito did the smart thing by pulling out.  Tito would have looked extremely bad by A) showing how weak his boxing is or B) beating up someone who isn&#8217;t a professional fighter (and possibly both could have happened).  It was a no-win situation for Tito.  Dana talking shit about him is nothing new, so nothing was changed by Tito pulling out.  Why Tito challenged Dana is beyond me.  There was no way for him to come out of it looking good.</p>
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