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	<title>Comments on: Miguel Torres, newcomers reign supreme at WEC 37</title>
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		<title>By: Kwiz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing bad to say about torres. he simply is the best BW ou there and top 5 P4P in the world, period. lets just look at his strenghts: BJJ, Stand-up, Reach, Conditioning, Focus, and last but not least he&#039;s a very humble down to earth fighter that knows he has people that look up to him as well as his students IMO thats important in a fighter. by far the best attraction in the WEC Urijah Faber can&#039;t hang with torres that for sure. you look at anderson silva and miguel torres and quite honestly they match up evenly, but i look forward to miguel&#039;s fights because he&#039;s more entertaining to watch in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing bad to say about torres. he simply is the best BW ou there and top 5 P4P in the world, period. lets just look at his strenghts: BJJ, Stand-up, Reach, Conditioning, Focus, and last but not least he&#8217;s a very humble down to earth fighter that knows he has people that look up to him as well as his students IMO thats important in a fighter. by far the best attraction in the WEC Urijah Faber can&#8217;t hang with torres that for sure. you look at anderson silva and miguel torres and quite honestly they match up evenly, but i look forward to miguel&#8217;s fights because he&#8217;s more entertaining to watch in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: fightfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for DOUBLE post.......

It is almost a crime that Torres ONLY makes $22,000 to fight(of course another 22 to win).  There are many fighters in the WEC that make more than him.  He said he has 3 or 4 more fights next year.  What kind of manager does he have???  That means he most likely will be making the same 22k/22k for the next year.

If he continues to win all next year, which I cant see him losing to ANYONE in the BW.....This guy better start getting paid a hell of a lot more than 22 and 22.  If they market this guy.......He could easily be a bigger draw than Urijah.  And as the WEC grows and iof they get a PPV thing started......Torres is easily worth 6 figures, and that is just to show, IMO

Sorry for the novel.  Long night of drinking and cant sleep and I&#039;m bored out of my mind.  I would also like to hear what you guys think about Torres, also.

I could of shortened this post and just said.....I think that Torres is, by far, the best and most well rounded fighters I have ever watched since about 2000, when I became a hardcore fan.  I dont see anyone beating this guy for a LONG, LONG time.  He is just too good at EVERY aspect of the game.  Everything from BJJ, striking and muay thai, conditioning that never stops, speed,.......Any aspect of his game is better than most fighters&#039; best strength.  Cant wait to see that dude fight again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for DOUBLE post&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>It is almost a crime that Torres ONLY makes $22,000 to fight(of course another 22 to win).  There are many fighters in the WEC that make more than him.  He said he has 3 or 4 more fights next year.  What kind of manager does he have???  That means he most likely will be making the same 22k/22k for the next year.</p>
<p>If he continues to win all next year, which I cant see him losing to ANYONE in the BW&#8230;..This guy better start getting paid a hell of a lot more than 22 and 22.  If they market this guy&#8230;&#8230;.He could easily be a bigger draw than Urijah.  And as the WEC grows and iof they get a PPV thing started&#8230;&#8230;Torres is easily worth 6 figures, and that is just to show, IMO</p>
<p>Sorry for the novel.  Long night of drinking and cant sleep and I&#8217;m bored out of my mind.  I would also like to hear what you guys think about Torres, also.</p>
<p>I could of shortened this post and just said&#8230;..I think that Torres is, by far, the best and most well rounded fighters I have ever watched since about 2000, when I became a hardcore fan.  I dont see anyone beating this guy for a LONG, LONG time.  He is just too good at EVERY aspect of the game.  Everything from BJJ, striking and muay thai, conditioning that never stops, speed,&#8230;&#8230;.Any aspect of his game is better than most fighters&#8217; best strength.  Cant wait to see that dude fight again</p>
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		<title>By: fightfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fightfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torres is without a doubt one of baddest mo fo&#039;s out there.  But what I dont understand is WHY NONE of the major mma sites even recognized him till after the Maeda fight.  

After the Chase Beebe fight.....Torres was listed not even in the top 10 in MMAWEEKLY&#039;s top 10.  Sure some started noticing that he had real skills.  Also, many other sites that rank fighters had him no where on their top 10 lists.  So, at 33-1 and just IMPRESSIVELY winning the title WITH EASE wasnt enough to garner attention.  Even after the Maeda fight, he barely starting creeping up to nearly 10th  and slowly moving up......

Then WITH NO FIGHTS between Maeda and Tapia(around 5 or 6 months).......all of a sudden he moves from near 10th to to middle of the pack to near the top ....then at the VERY TOP for nearly every site that ranks fighters?????

How is that???  I agree that he is ONE of the best fighters, PERIOD.  But, how come NO ONE, even major mma sites and media people that have been around the sport for 10-15 years never knew nothing about him.  How did he go from not even ranked to the best(as some say) between Maeda and Tapia.......a time period of 6 months where he HAD NOT fought ONE TIME?????  He went from NOT even being ranked to the BEST in basically one fight maybe, 2

That is why  I think a lot of those top ten lists are BOGUS.  The guy hasnt lost a fight in 5 years(something like 15 or 16 fights), but was never recognized until 5 years and 1 more fight, or ,by 2 more the entire mmaweb has him as one of the top pound for pound fighters????

GSP beat ALL the UFC&#039;s top WW again and again with EASE, but never got recognition for years......Sorry for the rant.  But it just seems that no one ever h eard about this guy and all jumped on the bandwagon when the few that KNEW his skills start spreading the word.  

It is a shame.....this guy should of been a star a couple of years ago, AT LEAST.  Just imagine if the UFC had FW and BW classes......This guy would be more popular than GSP, Penn, and Liddel and Couture together.  He would be making Liddell type paydays.  It is a shame that there are not a lot of smaller guys fighting and more weight classes to fit them.  This guy could be huge!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torres is without a doubt one of baddest mo fo&#8217;s out there.  But what I dont understand is WHY NONE of the major mma sites even recognized him till after the Maeda fight.  </p>
<p>After the Chase Beebe fight&#8230;..Torres was listed not even in the top 10 in MMAWEEKLY&#8217;s top 10.  Sure some started noticing that he had real skills.  Also, many other sites that rank fighters had him no where on their top 10 lists.  So, at 33-1 and just IMPRESSIVELY winning the title WITH EASE wasnt enough to garner attention.  Even after the Maeda fight, he barely starting creeping up to nearly 10th  and slowly moving up&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Then WITH NO FIGHTS between Maeda and Tapia(around 5 or 6 months)&#8230;&#8230;.all of a sudden he moves from near 10th to to middle of the pack to near the top &#8230;.then at the VERY TOP for nearly every site that ranks fighters?????</p>
<p>How is that???  I agree that he is ONE of the best fighters, PERIOD.  But, how come NO ONE, even major mma sites and media people that have been around the sport for 10-15 years never knew nothing about him.  How did he go from not even ranked to the best(as some say) between Maeda and Tapia&#8230;&#8230;.a time period of 6 months where he HAD NOT fought ONE TIME?????  He went from NOT even being ranked to the BEST in basically one fight maybe, 2</p>
<p>That is why  I think a lot of those top ten lists are BOGUS.  The guy hasnt lost a fight in 5 years(something like 15 or 16 fights), but was never recognized until 5 years and 1 more fight, or ,by 2 more the entire mmaweb has him as one of the top pound for pound fighters????</p>
<p>GSP beat ALL the UFC&#8217;s top WW again and again with EASE, but never got recognition for years&#8230;&#8230;Sorry for the rant.  But it just seems that no one ever h eard about this guy and all jumped on the bandwagon when the few that KNEW his skills start spreading the word.  </p>
<p>It is a shame&#8230;..this guy should of been a star a couple of years ago, AT LEAST.  Just imagine if the UFC had FW and BW classes&#8230;&#8230;This guy would be more popular than GSP, Penn, and Liddel and Couture together.  He would be making Liddell type paydays.  It is a shame that there are not a lot of smaller guys fighting and more weight classes to fit them.  This guy could be huge!!</p>
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		<title>By: Goomba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goomba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torres looked amazing. He rocked Tapia on multiple occasions, and had a dominating fight.

I also enjoyed Fabiano&#039;s technical war with Tamura.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torres looked amazing. He rocked Tapia on multiple occasions, and had a dominating fight.</p>
<p>I also enjoyed Fabiano&#8217;s technical war with Tamura.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pound for pound, does anyone see as Torres to be as good as Anderson Silva? I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pound for pound, does anyone see as Torres to be as good as Anderson Silva? I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Bad Monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bad Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, right now, who can beat Torres?  The guy is simply awesome and he fights with some seriously bad intentions.  He still looked pissed AFTER the fight!!  

A Torres/Faber Superfight would be awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, right now, who can beat Torres?  The guy is simply awesome and he fights with some seriously bad intentions.  He still looked pissed AFTER the fight!!  </p>
<p>A Torres/Faber Superfight would be awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: king mah mah</title>
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		<dc:creator>king mah mah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manny never really had a chance with Miguel&#039;s reach advantage. You could see the ko coming from a mile away.  Miguel rocked him a few times with his jab alone. That kick Miguel attempted was pretty sweet. He didn&#039;t land it and it was more showboating than anything, but it was still pretty sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manny never really had a chance with Miguel&#8217;s reach advantage. You could see the ko coming from a mile away.  Miguel rocked him a few times with his jab alone. That kick Miguel attempted was pretty sweet. He didn&#8217;t land it and it was more showboating than anything, but it was still pretty sweet.</p>
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