Comments on: WEC 37 Post-Game Report: The WEC strikes back but still has room to improve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:04:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59222 JOe K. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:07:56 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59222 To get beyond my frustration with the pacing: The Benavidez vs. Martinez fight was a great start and very exciting (sans half of round 2) Bowles vs Ribero was a great fight. Bowles is a beast and he doesn't do that weird arm stretch thing anymore while in between striking. Fabiano vs Tamura was a boring fight. I appreciate technical BJJ but it has to be more aggressive, ie more submission attempts from both bottom and top. The main event was great. Torres is a bad ass. They should give Maeda a rematch. thats it four fights 1 of them bad yet the event as a whole left a sour taste in my mouth. P.S. I like Frank Mir but he is way too biased when announcing. To get beyond my frustration with the pacing:

The Benavidez vs. Martinez fight was a great start and very exciting (sans half of round 2)

Bowles vs Ribero was a great fight. Bowles is a beast and he doesn’t do that weird arm stretch thing anymore while in between striking.

Fabiano vs Tamura was a boring fight. I appreciate technical BJJ but it has to be more aggressive, ie more submission attempts from both bottom and top.

The main event was great. Torres is a bad ass. They should give Maeda a rematch.

thats it four fights 1 of them bad yet the event as a whole left a sour taste in my mouth.

P.S. I like Frank Mir but he is way too biased when announcing.

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]]> By: JOe K. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59221 JOe K. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:02:34 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59221 Sam, You should use your MMA clout and make sure that someone in the WEC sees this!!!! "...a small highlight package that play-by-play announcer Todd Harris can do a narrative for. “And before we go to break, let’s catch you up on some action that went down earlier tonight...." They should better set up the pace to pack in more fights. This is especially imperative when trying to establish the lighter weight division with more unknown fighters. The WEC is my favorite promotion but it is quickly losing that spot with the last two events. The last one I was frustrated/baffled with the timing and with this one I was just bored. It took away from the fights. I would prefer that they not show it live. Record it and show it with an hour or 2 delay so you can pace it better. Your right how they don't say where the un-aired pre-lims are going to be shown. Even if you do know where the pre-lims are going to be shown the Wreckage events are so random that its hard to tell if any of the pre-lims you missed are going to be on there. They have really screwed up these last two events. Thanks, JOe K. Sam,

You should use your MMA clout and make sure that someone in the WEC sees this!!!!

“…a small highlight package that play-by-play announcer Todd Harris can do a narrative for. “And before we go to break, let’s catch you up on some action that went down earlier tonight….”

They should better set up the pace to pack in more fights. This is especially imperative when trying to establish the lighter weight division with more unknown fighters.

The WEC is my favorite promotion but it is quickly losing that spot with the last two events. The last one I was frustrated/baffled with the timing and with this one I was just bored.

It took away from the fights. I would prefer that they not show it live. Record it and show it with an hour or 2 delay so you can pace it better.

Your right how they don’t say where the un-aired pre-lims are going to be shown. Even if you do know where the pre-lims are going to be shown the Wreckage events are so random that its hard to tell if any of the pre-lims you missed are going to be on there.

They have really screwed up these last two events.

Thanks,
JOe K.

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]]> By: steve http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59175 steve Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:02:11 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59175 i wouldn't really consider the Benavidez vs. Martinez a slow start, i personally really enjoyed the fight. i also really enjoyed the Fabiano vs. Tamura fight, it was really cool to watch a fight of that level of technicality. Overall, i'd say it was a great card, not disappointing at all. i wouldn’t really consider the Benavidez vs. Martinez a slow start, i personally really enjoyed the fight. i also really enjoyed the Fabiano vs. Tamura fight, it was really cool to watch a fight of that level of technicality. Overall, i’d say it was a great card, not disappointing at all.

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]]> By: RJA http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59174 RJA Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:00:58 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59174 Torrees was very impressive,i knew he was good but i thought tapia might be to much for him.Needless to say i stupidly underestimated one of the best in the sport.Not to mention he's got a pretty kickass mullet or is that a oxymoron. Torrees was very impressive,i knew he was good but i thought tapia might be to much for him.Needless to say i stupidly underestimated one of the best in the sport.Not to mention he’s got a pretty kickass mullet or is that a oxymoron.

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]]> By: Lee Gerowitz http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59168 Lee Gerowitz Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:17:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59168 Sam, that was a solid breakdown. I might let you write a Post Card From The Couch sometime! Sam, that was a solid breakdown. I might let you write a Post Card From The Couch sometime!

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]]> By: Nate Double http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59167 Nate Double Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:02:36 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59167 Great points. I too got the distinct feeling that the producers were wishing the fights would wrap up quickly towards the end. Even the cuts to commercial were badly done and not giving the winning fighter 30 seconds to speak his piece after the fight is a little classless too. I like the way WEC fights break up the week being on Wednesdays but I think more people would tune in to a Saturday night fight or even Sunday night during the football off season as you mentioned. Mir does a good job announcing but he gets so into it sometimes that he stumbles over his words and seems flustered. Other than that I like his insights and knowledge. The fighter entrances are laughable since it looks like they're coming into a high school auditorium from the lobby with those stupid doors in the background. I know the economy sucks but at least invest in some curtains. Great points. I too got the distinct feeling that the producers were wishing the fights would wrap up quickly towards the end. Even the cuts to commercial were badly done and not giving the winning fighter 30 seconds to speak his piece after the fight is a little classless too.

I like the way WEC fights break up the week being on Wednesdays but I think more people would tune in to a Saturday night fight or even Sunday night during the football off season as you mentioned.

Mir does a good job announcing but he gets so into it sometimes that he stumbles over his words and seems flustered. Other than that I like his insights and knowledge.

The fighter entrances are laughable since it looks like they’re coming into a high school auditorium from the lobby with those stupid doors in the background. I know the economy sucks but at least invest in some curtains.

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]]> By: Chris http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59159 Chris Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:57:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59159 Also, I heard that the WEC is planning on doing a TUF type show on Vs this year? Any word on that? I know they have Tapout show, which I liked, I mean you have Damacio Page fought in the WEC and Cowboy, Cowboy is fighting for a title. Also i thought last season the kid from BJ's camp looked good. They have that, but a TUF type show for the lighter weights, like BW and FW would be great, fighters cant do that on the TUF shows, so you get guys packing on pounds for them shows, give them a shot for a WEC type show you could find some talent. Only thing is, I thnk FW and BW are getting nicely stacked, I think LW and WW are the WEC weaker classes, I mean whats next after Varner and Cowbody? Condit will fight Larson right? Then what? They need some fresh talent in LW and WW first, but the UFC has them classes, so you probably wont get the best fighters for a WEC, they go to the UFC. But any word on if they will be doing a contender type mma show on Vs? They did a boxing and shit already, why not an MMA version? Also, I heard that the WEC is planning on doing a TUF type show on Vs this year? Any word on that? I know they have Tapout show, which I liked, I mean you have Damacio Page fought in the WEC and Cowboy, Cowboy is fighting for a title. Also i thought last season the kid from BJ’s camp looked good. They have that, but a TUF type show for the lighter weights, like BW and FW would be great, fighters cant do that on the TUF shows, so you get guys packing on pounds for them shows, give them a shot for a WEC type show you could find some talent. Only thing is, I thnk FW and BW are getting nicely stacked, I think LW and WW are the WEC weaker classes, I mean whats next after Varner and Cowbody? Condit will fight Larson right? Then what? They need some fresh talent in LW and WW first, but the UFC has them classes, so you probably wont get the best fighters for a WEC, they go to the UFC. But any word on if they will be doing a contender type mma show on Vs? They did a boxing and shit already, why not an MMA version?

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]]> By: Chris http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59156 Chris Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:49:49 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59156 Very good read I must say, alot of your points are things that should be done. I agree I was thinking the same shit, watching them come in threw them doors looked cheap, I think Mir knows his shit, I hated him now after seeing him on TUF, and is it me or did he have alot of trouble saying Tamura's name last night? He knows his shit, but he isnt the best announcer. I agree, a scoring system should be used, have someone like they do on HBO boxing, Harold Letterman, saying who he thinks is winning, have a compubox type thing showing punches, kicks thrown and landed would be nice. I was watching that and like they didnt even say shit with Wagnney, they didnt let you know that he is the former IFL champ, like let people know what these fighters making there debut in the WEC are, they are champs from other orgs, IFL aint around no more, its not like your giving them promotion and shit. But about your shit being on Wed, yeah when the UFC is on it does suck, but Thurs arent good, TNA wresting is on Thurs on Spike, and there are MMA fans that watch wresting, I think competing with them isnt smart. Wed when the UFC isnt on isnt bad. But yeah, they need to let people know whats in store down the road, build up some of these lighter fighters, and show more fights, I wanted to see Cub's fight and Barts fight. Some of the fights went long, into the 3rd round and shit, that more fights couldnt be shown. Another point you made is putting shit on during a UFC weekend, that sounds good, like if your gonna have a UFC event on a Sat or so, have the WEC on Sunday or somthing when the NFL isnt on, but then your making people buy tickets for 2 shows, that is asking alot, and once the UFC is over, people may leave, you'd be better off having the WEC event first, on a Friday or Sat and UFC on Sat or Sun, that way you know people arent gonna leave cause they are there for the UFC event. I like the fights on Wed, but it did feel rushed, and they were promoting the upcoming UFC PPV, but they had to promote the Contender on VS next, and couldnt promote TUF on Spike, even though Zuffa owns both, they want people to switch over to TUF and not Contender but they couldnt say that cause they are on Vs. I think Faber should drop to BW, he would be strong at BW, and imagine a super fight with Torres and Faber for the BW title? That easily could be a PPV main event. They have alot of young talent in the WEC, but I think the UFC should send some guys over, you dont think a guy like Tyson Griffin could come over to the WEC and fight at LW or FW? Gray Manard, Karo could fight Condit. You got others too, instead of cutting Gurgel, he couldnt fight at LW in the WEC? I think taking some names from the UFC that arent super stars, but are known, send them to the WEC. Tyson could step in and fight Varner or Brown and win a title, or stay in the UFC, fight on undercards and never get a title. It builds the WEC brand up, makes some good fights, I think they should do that. Very good read I must say, alot of your points are things that should be done. I agree I was thinking the same shit, watching them come in threw them doors looked cheap, I think Mir knows his shit, I hated him now after seeing him on TUF, and is it me or did he have alot of trouble saying Tamura’s name last night? He knows his shit, but he isnt the best announcer. I agree, a scoring system should be used, have someone like they do on HBO boxing, Harold Letterman, saying who he thinks is winning, have a compubox type thing showing punches, kicks thrown and landed would be nice. I was watching that and like they didnt even say shit with Wagnney, they didnt let you know that he is the former IFL champ, like let people know what these fighters making there debut in the WEC are, they are champs from other orgs, IFL aint around no more, its not like your giving them promotion and shit. But about your shit being on Wed, yeah when the UFC is on it does suck, but Thurs arent good, TNA wresting is on Thurs on Spike, and there are MMA fans that watch wresting, I think competing with them isnt smart. Wed when the UFC isnt on isnt bad. But yeah, they need to let people know whats in store down the road, build up some of these lighter fighters, and show more fights, I wanted to see Cub’s fight and Barts fight. Some of the fights went long, into the 3rd round and shit, that more fights couldnt be shown.

Another point you made is putting shit on during a UFC weekend, that sounds good, like if your gonna have a UFC event on a Sat or so, have the WEC on Sunday or somthing when the NFL isnt on, but then your making people buy tickets for 2 shows, that is asking alot, and once the UFC is over, people may leave, you’d be better off having the WEC event first, on a Friday or Sat and UFC on Sat or Sun, that way you know people arent gonna leave cause they are there for the UFC event. I like the fights on Wed, but it did feel rushed, and they were promoting the upcoming UFC PPV, but they had to promote the Contender on VS next, and couldnt promote TUF on Spike, even though Zuffa owns both, they want people to switch over to TUF and not Contender but they couldnt say that cause they are on Vs. I think Faber should drop to BW, he would be strong at BW, and imagine a super fight with Torres and Faber for the BW title? That easily could be a PPV main event. They have alot of young talent in the WEC, but I think the UFC should send some guys over, you dont think a guy like Tyson Griffin could come over to the WEC and fight at LW or FW? Gray Manard, Karo could fight Condit. You got others too, instead of cutting Gurgel, he couldnt fight at LW in the WEC? I think taking some names from the UFC that arent super stars, but are known, send them to the WEC. Tyson could step in and fight Varner or Brown and win a title, or stay in the UFC, fight on undercards and never get a title. It builds the WEC brand up, makes some good fights, I think they should do that.

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]]> By: Cash http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59151 Cash Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:16:42 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59151 With a name like Imbecile, it seems more hash when Sam corrects you With a name like Imbecile, it seems more hash when Sam corrects you

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/04/wec-37-post-game-report-the-wec-strikes-back-but-still-has-room-to-improve/comment-page-1/#comment-59143 Imbecile Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:30:13 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=9679#comment-59143 Sam, the WEC is scheduling a show on a Saturday night for its next major event. The show in San Diego will take place in the (awful) San Diego Sports Arena, which will also provide a much larger venue than the Hard Rock. So a couple of your wishes have already been answered. Too bad it is on a Saturday to compete against Affliction, but it is on a Saturday nonetheless. <em>Editor's Note: Imbecile, this is not correct. While it's been reported by some sites that the WEC is going head-to-head with Affliction, it appears they need to check a calendar. WEC 38 will be taking place on Jan. 25, which is a Sunday, not a Saturday. Affliction will be taking place a day prior, Jan. 24, which is a Saturday, not a Sunday. Affliction will run on Saturday and will be proceeded the next day by the WEC. Hope that helps.</em> Sam, the WEC is scheduling a show on a Saturday night for its next major event. The show in San Diego will take place in the (awful) San Diego Sports Arena, which will also provide a much larger venue than the Hard Rock. So a couple of your wishes have already been answered. Too bad it is on a Saturday to compete against Affliction, but it is on a Saturday nonetheless.

Editor’s Note: Imbecile, this is not correct. While it’s been reported by some sites that the WEC is going head-to-head with Affliction, it appears they need to check a calendar. WEC 38 will be taking place on Jan. 25, which is a Sunday, not a Saturday. Affliction will be taking place a day prior, Jan. 24, which is a Saturday, not a Sunday. Affliction will run on Saturday and will be proceeded the next day by the WEC. Hope that helps.

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