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		<title>By: Bullylover</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/14/tuf-franchise-yields-treasure-trove-of-potential-new-stars/comment-page-1/#comment-60338</link>
		<dc:creator>Bullylover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ric, I don&#039;t remember KOs  even knowing how to fight in TUf 1. I do remember the l&amp;p tactics he used in his fight against Leben. It looked more like a wrestling match to me. Don&#039;t get me wrong I&#039;m a kos fan and was pleased with wednesday&#039;s outcome However if you want to get technical Junie was a more well rounded fighter than Kos in their respected Tuf Era&#039;s. I agree that Junie didn&#039;t deserve the camera time he got but hey that&#039;s reality tv &amp; ratings for you. As far as Phillipe nover goes he seemed a bit over rated . But that is just my opinion. I mean he is nothing like GSP or The spider . He definately ain&#039;t know Pacquaio  as his hands are lightyears away from Manny&#039;s. I also agree  That  Vinny will become a better &amp; more well rounded fighter than Bader. After all Vinny utelizes  kicks as well as hands were&#039;s bader  only uses boxing. I agree that all of these guys will become top competitors in their respected divisions. I have to say this is one of the best tuf seasons by  far.                3bestTUF&#039;s   -1,5,8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ric, I don&#8217;t remember KOs  even knowing how to fight in TUf 1. I do remember the l&amp;p tactics he used in his fight against Leben. It looked more like a wrestling match to me. Don&#8217;t get me wrong I&#8217;m a kos fan and was pleased with wednesday&#8217;s outcome However if you want to get technical Junie was a more well rounded fighter than Kos in their respected Tuf Era&#8217;s. I agree that Junie didn&#8217;t deserve the camera time he got but hey that&#8217;s reality tv &amp; ratings for you. As far as Phillipe nover goes he seemed a bit over rated . But that is just my opinion. I mean he is nothing like GSP or The spider . He definately ain&#8217;t know Pacquaio  as his hands are lightyears away from Manny&#8217;s. I also agree  That  Vinny will become a better &amp; more well rounded fighter than Bader. After all Vinny utelizes  kicks as well as hands were&#8217;s bader  only uses boxing. I agree that all of these guys will become top competitors in their respected divisions. I have to say this is one of the best tuf seasons by  far.                3bestTUF&#8217;s   -1,5,8</p>
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		<title>By: Bullylover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bullylover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ric</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching the Nover/Escudero fight, I wondered what Nover&#039;s corner told him.  He kept going back to kicks even though Escudero used them as an opening for takedowns.  Somebody should&#039;ve told him to stay away from the kicks or to at least feint a few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching the Nover/Escudero fight, I wondered what Nover&#8217;s corner told him.  He kept going back to kicks even though Escudero used them as an opening for takedowns.  Somebody should&#8217;ve told him to stay away from the kicks or to at least feint a few times.</p>
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		<title>By: ACK!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACK!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric, you&#039;re playing both sides, if you ask me.  You criticize the show for being &quot;less about mma and more about piss-drinking, spooge-eating, and drunken tantrums&quot;, then you go and judge the fighters more on their actions on the show than in the octagon.  

And being that I, too, am a &quot;fatherless bastard&quot;, I can understand how a drunk Leben broke down the way he did.  You have to imagine that emotions are already running high while being cooped up in a strange place with a group of strangers who you have to fight as cameras follow your every move.  Eitherway, not having a father in your life is a significant hurdle to overcome and everyone deals with it differently.  You can never underestimate the conditions of a person&#039;s life... Even if you&#039;ve lived it yourself.

Moreover, just because he started crying doesn&#039;t make it right for a couple of punks to spray water on him while he&#039;s trying to sleep outside.  That&#039;s just plain wrong.  (In my opinion it should be against the rules of the show to interfere with eachother&#039;s sleep, food, and water because they are all essential to live and train at the best of your abilities, but that&#039;s another story entirely...)  Waking up in Leben&#039;s situation after a long night of drinking to see the shit-eating grin on Southworth&#039;s face (the man who had already shown an utter lack of respect for him) would drive many people over the edge.  Just think about it.

Regarding Junie, I certainly don&#039;t agree with much of what he did on the show, but I don&#039;t think any of it should prevent him from having the oppurtunity to prove his potential in MMA.  And why on earth would you hold that against Xtreme Couture?  

Ultimately, I just think it&#039;s sad that someone who condemns the show&#039;s antics wouldn&#039;t be able to see past the reality TV to the real people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, you&#8217;re playing both sides, if you ask me.  You criticize the show for being &#8220;less about mma and more about piss-drinking, spooge-eating, and drunken tantrums&#8221;, then you go and judge the fighters more on their actions on the show than in the octagon.  </p>
<p>And being that I, too, am a &#8220;fatherless bastard&#8221;, I can understand how a drunk Leben broke down the way he did.  You have to imagine that emotions are already running high while being cooped up in a strange place with a group of strangers who you have to fight as cameras follow your every move.  Eitherway, not having a father in your life is a significant hurdle to overcome and everyone deals with it differently.  You can never underestimate the conditions of a person&#8217;s life&#8230; Even if you&#8217;ve lived it yourself.</p>
<p>Moreover, just because he started crying doesn&#8217;t make it right for a couple of punks to spray water on him while he&#8217;s trying to sleep outside.  That&#8217;s just plain wrong.  (In my opinion it should be against the rules of the show to interfere with eachother&#8217;s sleep, food, and water because they are all essential to live and train at the best of your abilities, but that&#8217;s another story entirely&#8230;)  Waking up in Leben&#8217;s situation after a long night of drinking to see the shit-eating grin on Southworth&#8217;s face (the man who had already shown an utter lack of respect for him) would drive many people over the edge.  Just think about it.</p>
<p>Regarding Junie, I certainly don&#8217;t agree with much of what he did on the show, but I don&#8217;t think any of it should prevent him from having the oppurtunity to prove his potential in MMA.  And why on earth would you hold that against Xtreme Couture?  </p>
<p>Ultimately, I just think it&#8217;s sad that someone who condemns the show&#8217;s antics wouldn&#8217;t be able to see past the reality TV to the real people.</p>
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		<title>By: flassassin</title>
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		<dc:creator>flassassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Delgado and Nelson will for sure get at least 2 more fights (Roop may even get another shot as well).  All 3 of them show UFC potential for certain.   I like Polakowski, but he is definately not ready at this point in his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Delgado and Nelson will for sure get at least 2 more fights (Roop may even get another shot as well).  All 3 of them show UFC potential for certain.   I like Polakowski, but he is definately not ready at this point in his career.</p>
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		<title>By: OZON3</title>
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		<dc:creator>OZON3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam -

Good article.  Two corrections though....

1. Efrain&#039;s nickname is not &quot;El Matatdor&quot; like Roger Huerta.  It&#039;s &quot;Hecho En Meixco&quot; which means &quot;Made in Mexico.&quot;

2. Probably just a typo but Philipe speaks Tagalog (pronounced ta-GA-log). 

I&#039;m Filipino too so i was rooting for Nover all the way.  But i noticed during the intros something was wrong. Efrain looked calm as can be coming into the cage. Nover had an anxious look in his eyes; also letting out deep breaths as if to try to calm himself down.  i think the pressure of him being expected to win was definitely in his head.  He didn&#039;t look like the same animal in the cage as he did in his other fights, like he couldn&#039;t flip the switch.  I have no doubt that he&#039;ll see future success in the UFC.  Like you said, now he&#039;ll be able to do so with a little less spotlight on him.  

Good luck Phillipe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam -</p>
<p>Good article.  Two corrections though&#8230;.</p>
<p>1. Efrain&#8217;s nickname is not &#8220;El Matatdor&#8221; like Roger Huerta.  It&#8217;s &#8220;Hecho En Meixco&#8221; which means &#8220;Made in Mexico.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Probably just a typo but Philipe speaks Tagalog (pronounced ta-GA-log). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m Filipino too so i was rooting for Nover all the way.  But i noticed during the intros something was wrong. Efrain looked calm as can be coming into the cage. Nover had an anxious look in his eyes; also letting out deep breaths as if to try to calm himself down.  i think the pressure of him being expected to win was definitely in his head.  He didn&#8217;t look like the same animal in the cage as he did in his other fights, like he couldn&#8217;t flip the switch.  I have no doubt that he&#8217;ll see future success in the UFC.  Like you said, now he&#8217;ll be able to do so with a little less spotlight on him.  </p>
<p>Good luck Phillipe!</p>
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		<title>By: Ric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I&#039;m so tired of the Junie hype. Since when is it so fascinating to see a guy throw glasses, make an ass of himself, and sob himself into a stupor?

When I watched TUF 1 I liked Kos because he could fight, he could focus, he was always in control of himself, and his taunting of Leben was something a man with some self-respect should have been able to take. Leben acted like a 5-year-old on that show and I felt like he deserved far worse than Kos gave him. Now Leben has much improved? Sure, with the help of steroids. Seriously, who didn&#039;t see that coming?

For some reason, TUF seems to have started low and sunk even lower. It&#039;s less about mma and more about piss-drinking, spooge-eating, and drunken tantrums. Where does Dana find people like this? How many more qualified fighters do the producers have to turn down before they finally come up with a Junie Browning? I saw enough of Junie on TUF 8 to make me doubt, actually, that he has anything near Leben&#039;s potential to become either a capable fighter or a mature adult. And I say that as someone who thinks steriod cheats don&#039;t even deserve 2nd chances.

That said, maybe Junie improved by the finale. I wouldn&#039;t know. I didn&#039;t see him in the finale, because who cares if he improved? I&#039;m just sick of Dana foisting this guy on viewers who tune in to watch promising, serious, disciplined fighters, not punks. Sheesh.

My opinion of Xtreme Couture as a quality school plummeted when I heard they agreed to train this guy. You can build your name training great fighters who give the sport a good name or by attaching yourself to PR disasters. One approach cashes in on the long-term admiration of real mma fans and the other cashes in on short-term, empty-headed attention from people who could care less about mma and just love a good train wreck.

Just because Dana chooses to insult his audience by passing over better fighters in favor of casting idiots on TUF doesn&#039;t mean anyone is obliged to play along. I don&#039;t watch something just because it&#039;s on TV and I don&#039;t plan on following this guy&#039;s career in the UFC. If and when he fights, I&#039;ll channel surf until the next fight. I really don&#039;t care if he&#039;s successful, but am just sick of personality disorders being passed off as sports entertainment. I&#039;m wWaiting for TUF to choose fighters for qualities that will make them great, not for qualities that will make for cheap bullshit drama. Junie got more than his share of chances already, I&#039;d say. When the UFC gives exposure to guys who deserve it, like Escudero and Nover, that&#039;s when I tune in. It&#039;s just a shame the UFC kept Junie on the show in place of someone else. If Junie benefited, just think what a young fighter with way more character could have done with the same opportunity! That&#039;s who we&#039;re missing out on right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I&#8217;m so tired of the Junie hype. Since when is it so fascinating to see a guy throw glasses, make an ass of himself, and sob himself into a stupor?</p>
<p>When I watched TUF 1 I liked Kos because he could fight, he could focus, he was always in control of himself, and his taunting of Leben was something a man with some self-respect should have been able to take. Leben acted like a 5-year-old on that show and I felt like he deserved far worse than Kos gave him. Now Leben has much improved? Sure, with the help of steroids. Seriously, who didn&#8217;t see that coming?</p>
<p>For some reason, TUF seems to have started low and sunk even lower. It&#8217;s less about mma and more about piss-drinking, spooge-eating, and drunken tantrums. Where does Dana find people like this? How many more qualified fighters do the producers have to turn down before they finally come up with a Junie Browning? I saw enough of Junie on TUF 8 to make me doubt, actually, that he has anything near Leben&#8217;s potential to become either a capable fighter or a mature adult. And I say that as someone who thinks steriod cheats don&#8217;t even deserve 2nd chances.</p>
<p>That said, maybe Junie improved by the finale. I wouldn&#8217;t know. I didn&#8217;t see him in the finale, because who cares if he improved? I&#8217;m just sick of Dana foisting this guy on viewers who tune in to watch promising, serious, disciplined fighters, not punks. Sheesh.</p>
<p>My opinion of Xtreme Couture as a quality school plummeted when I heard they agreed to train this guy. You can build your name training great fighters who give the sport a good name or by attaching yourself to PR disasters. One approach cashes in on the long-term admiration of real mma fans and the other cashes in on short-term, empty-headed attention from people who could care less about mma and just love a good train wreck.</p>
<p>Just because Dana chooses to insult his audience by passing over better fighters in favor of casting idiots on TUF doesn&#8217;t mean anyone is obliged to play along. I don&#8217;t watch something just because it&#8217;s on TV and I don&#8217;t plan on following this guy&#8217;s career in the UFC. If and when he fights, I&#8217;ll channel surf until the next fight. I really don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s successful, but am just sick of personality disorders being passed off as sports entertainment. I&#8217;m wWaiting for TUF to choose fighters for qualities that will make them great, not for qualities that will make for cheap bullshit drama. Junie got more than his share of chances already, I&#8217;d say. When the UFC gives exposure to guys who deserve it, like Escudero and Nover, that&#8217;s when I tune in. It&#8217;s just a shame the UFC kept Junie on the show in place of someone else. If Junie benefited, just think what a young fighter with way more character could have done with the same opportunity! That&#8217;s who we&#8217;re missing out on right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Grappo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grappo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article and I agree with just about everything you said.  One thing I disagreed with on a personal level was &quot;When it came to Junie, there was a degree of Howard Stern syndrome in that everyone complained about his antics all season long yet still tuned in because they couldn’t wait to see what he was going to do next.&quot;  Speaking just for myself, I still tuned in because I&#039;m a fan of the show and wanted to see how the others progressed, not because I wanted to see what Junie did next. The only thing I waited for with anticipation about Junie was his getting kicked out of the house.  I can&#039;t speak for the majority of Junie-bashers, but I&#039;m not sure if you do either.

I also think that Koscheck&#039;s role as villain on TUF is being underplayed and Leben&#039;s is being overplayed.  I can still remember originally watching the Leben/Koscheck fight on TUF 1...  I wasn&#039;t a fan of Leben&#039;s but I&#039;d never rooted so hard against a fighter as I did with Koscheck.

I&#039;ve read comments by people saying that Junie was acting up on purpose to get camera time.  I think that&#039;s BS, at least partially.  Trash talking and the like aside, on previous seasons some of his antics would have gotten him kicked out of the house 3 or 4 times over, no question, so why would he assume it&#039;d be different this time?  There&#039;s not much camera time if you&#039;re off the show.  Unless Dana pulled him aside and told him to act the moron and there wouldn&#039;t be any negative repercussions (which is not beyond possibility at this point.)  As much as i dislike the guy i saw on the show, I hope his change is for real, and permanent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article and I agree with just about everything you said.  One thing I disagreed with on a personal level was &#8220;When it came to Junie, there was a degree of Howard Stern syndrome in that everyone complained about his antics all season long yet still tuned in because they couldn’t wait to see what he was going to do next.&#8221;  Speaking just for myself, I still tuned in because I&#8217;m a fan of the show and wanted to see how the others progressed, not because I wanted to see what Junie did next. The only thing I waited for with anticipation about Junie was his getting kicked out of the house.  I can&#8217;t speak for the majority of Junie-bashers, but I&#8217;m not sure if you do either.</p>
<p>I also think that Koscheck&#8217;s role as villain on TUF is being underplayed and Leben&#8217;s is being overplayed.  I can still remember originally watching the Leben/Koscheck fight on TUF 1&#8230;  I wasn&#8217;t a fan of Leben&#8217;s but I&#8217;d never rooted so hard against a fighter as I did with Koscheck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read comments by people saying that Junie was acting up on purpose to get camera time.  I think that&#8217;s BS, at least partially.  Trash talking and the like aside, on previous seasons some of his antics would have gotten him kicked out of the house 3 or 4 times over, no question, so why would he assume it&#8217;d be different this time?  There&#8217;s not much camera time if you&#8217;re off the show.  Unless Dana pulled him aside and told him to act the moron and there wouldn&#8217;t be any negative repercussions (which is not beyond possibility at this point.)  As much as i dislike the guy i saw on the show, I hope his change is for real, and permanent.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Junie definitely gave his detractors something to think about last night.

And ACK! is totally right.  Everyone thinks of Chris Leben as the original &quot;TUF Bad Boy&quot; but shit, coming from the same kind of background that he did, if someone had called me a &quot;fatherless bastard&quot; and I tried to remove myself from the situation only to have that person let a water hose loose over my head, I would have lost my shit, too.

And going from Soszynski&#039;s interview, it seemed Junie had a plan all along to get camera time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junie definitely gave his detractors something to think about last night.</p>
<p>And ACK! is totally right.  Everyone thinks of Chris Leben as the original &#8220;TUF Bad Boy&#8221; but shit, coming from the same kind of background that he did, if someone had called me a &#8220;fatherless bastard&#8221; and I tried to remove myself from the situation only to have that person let a water hose loose over my head, I would have lost my shit, too.</p>
<p>And going from Soszynski&#8217;s interview, it seemed Junie had a plan all along to get camera time.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkmetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Junie was indeed obnoxious during his time on TUF.  However, I always saw that he also seems to have that &quot;Something&quot; that makes a great fighter.  His standup was probably the most accurate of the night.  And then when he went to the ground, he subbed a BJJ black belt.  Junie will be back, and he will be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Junie was indeed obnoxious during his time on TUF.  However, I always saw that he also seems to have that &#8220;Something&#8221; that makes a great fighter.  His standup was probably the most accurate of the night.  And then when he went to the ground, he subbed a BJJ black belt.  Junie will be back, and he will be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt read akc response at first but wish I had, he said it much better than I......</description>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just dont think Junie is anything like Leben....for one Leben had lost his father and Southworth made it easy to feel for Leben......Also when Kos and Southworth poured water on hm but Leben walked away, you felt bad for the guy......Notice Southworth is not in the big show anymore and that it takes Kos fighting a Japanees guy on a night that was dedictated to us troops  for him to get any applause.......Junie never made me feel anything excempt contempt....Mir has it right when saying it sends  a bad signal....... many more have become stars based on their talent, than someone becoming a star with the ufc bc they were classless on the tv show.    Jesus, I think Forbes must of banged Danas mom, he atleat waited for the show to finish taping, and Jeremy Stephens he just wanted some puss for gods sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just dont think Junie is anything like Leben&#8230;.for one Leben had lost his father and Southworth made it easy to feel for Leben&#8230;&#8230;Also when Kos and Southworth poured water on hm but Leben walked away, you felt bad for the guy&#8230;&#8230;Notice Southworth is not in the big show anymore and that it takes Kos fighting a Japanees guy on a night that was dedictated to us troops  for him to get any applause&#8230;&#8230;.Junie never made me feel anything excempt contempt&#8230;.Mir has it right when saying it sends  a bad signal&#8230;&#8230;. many more have become stars based on their talent, than someone becoming a star with the ufc bc they were classless on the tv show.    Jesus, I think Forbes must of banged Danas mom, he atleat waited for the show to finish taping, and Jeremy Stephens he just wanted some puss for gods sake.</p>
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		<title>By: ACK!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACK!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I agree with almost everything you said and, has one of the few fans who apparently still enjoys TUF, I definitely believe in it&#039;s potential for creating MMA stars... Actually, I don&#039;t see how you could deny that fact with the recent success of winners like Griffin and Evans, and even losers like Florian.  

A couple things stuck out to me though, it&#039;s all a matter of perception, but I felt like Nover was trying to run through Escuerdo like he was a paper thin wall.  What I mean, is that he was loading up on every punch, every knee and that&#039;s what allow him to be taken down with such ease.  If he was fighting not to lose, my thinking is that he would have been more concerned with his takedown defense and probably wouldn&#039;t have loaded up with his shots so much.  I mean, I really felt like he could get a knockout at any point on his feet.  Escuerdo was just too sly and elusive to allow him to connect.

Another thing that really bothers me is how Leben is always mentioned along with Junie, because their experiences on the show weren&#039;t really all that similar.  What was the worst thing Leben did? He peed on someone&#039;s pillow, but so did Magalhaes and no one mentions that.  He blew up once and broke a window along with a door or two, but it&#039;s hard to hold that against him considering that he had attempted to remove himself for a volatile situation by sleeping outside when two drunken idiots decided to spray him with a hose.  Other than that, he was mostly guilty of being immature, somewhat egotistical, and emotionally unstable.  

The thing is, what made his story interesting is how he grew up while being on the show.  He took the oppurtunity seriously and it inspired him to become a better person as a result.  We watched that transformation take place during the entire season.  Junie, on the other hand, seemed to become more erratic and childish as the season went on.  He showed an utter lack of respect for his coaches, his fellow fighters, and even himself.  In my mind, he experience on the show was dramatically different than Leben&#039;s, to the point of being nearly opposite.

I know my sentiments are tangential to your primary points, but for some reason they stuck out to me.  Otherwise, it&#039;s a fantastic article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I agree with almost everything you said and, has one of the few fans who apparently still enjoys TUF, I definitely believe in it&#8217;s potential for creating MMA stars&#8230; Actually, I don&#8217;t see how you could deny that fact with the recent success of winners like Griffin and Evans, and even losers like Florian.  </p>
<p>A couple things stuck out to me though, it&#8217;s all a matter of perception, but I felt like Nover was trying to run through Escuerdo like he was a paper thin wall.  What I mean, is that he was loading up on every punch, every knee and that&#8217;s what allow him to be taken down with such ease.  If he was fighting not to lose, my thinking is that he would have been more concerned with his takedown defense and probably wouldn&#8217;t have loaded up with his shots so much.  I mean, I really felt like he could get a knockout at any point on his feet.  Escuerdo was just too sly and elusive to allow him to connect.</p>
<p>Another thing that really bothers me is how Leben is always mentioned along with Junie, because their experiences on the show weren&#8217;t really all that similar.  What was the worst thing Leben did? He peed on someone&#8217;s pillow, but so did Magalhaes and no one mentions that.  He blew up once and broke a window along with a door or two, but it&#8217;s hard to hold that against him considering that he had attempted to remove himself for a volatile situation by sleeping outside when two drunken idiots decided to spray him with a hose.  Other than that, he was mostly guilty of being immature, somewhat egotistical, and emotionally unstable.  </p>
<p>The thing is, what made his story interesting is how he grew up while being on the show.  He took the oppurtunity seriously and it inspired him to become a better person as a result.  We watched that transformation take place during the entire season.  Junie, on the other hand, seemed to become more erratic and childish as the season went on.  He showed an utter lack of respect for his coaches, his fellow fighters, and even himself.  In my mind, he experience on the show was dramatically different than Leben&#8217;s, to the point of being nearly opposite.</p>
<p>I know my sentiments are tangential to your primary points, but for some reason they stuck out to me.  Otherwise, it&#8217;s a fantastic article.</p>
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		<title>By: Toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both Nover and Magalhaes have so much potential and whether it be their next fight, or a few fights down the line, their skills will improve significantly and be showcased.  

As for the winners, I think light heavyweights will struggle with Bader, he is young and ever improving. And the man thats been overlooked this entire time, Efrain Escudero, will definitely have a bright future in the ufc&#039;s lightweight division, especially with his wrestling background that he showed off last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both Nover and Magalhaes have so much potential and whether it be their next fight, or a few fights down the line, their skills will improve significantly and be showcased.  </p>
<p>As for the winners, I think light heavyweights will struggle with Bader, he is young and ever improving. And the man thats been overlooked this entire time, Efrain Escudero, will definitely have a bright future in the ufc&#8217;s lightweight division, especially with his wrestling background that he showed off last night.</p>
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