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		<title>By: darkmetal</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60533</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I forgot to comment on Valkyrie:

Who knew that Hitler&#039;s greatest foe was a Hollywood metrosexual with a penchant for Scientology?  Or that he was half a head shorter than Hitler?

Somehow call me uninspired as I have not found Cruise&#039; manly-man act (and it is an act) believable since he cozied up with Rosie O&#039;Donell or jumped like a giddy schoolgirl on Oprah&#039;s couch.

Where have the men in Hollywood gone?  Oh yeah, Arnold became the new faux Republican Gov. who is overseeing the death of California, and John Wayne is long dead....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I forgot to comment on Valkyrie:</p>
<p>Who knew that Hitler&#8217;s greatest foe was a Hollywood metrosexual with a penchant for Scientology?  Or that he was half a head shorter than Hitler?</p>
<p>Somehow call me uninspired as I have not found Cruise&#8217; manly-man act (and it is an act) believable since he cozied up with Rosie O&#8217;Donell or jumped like a giddy schoolgirl on Oprah&#8217;s couch.</p>
<p>Where have the men in Hollywood gone?  Oh yeah, Arnold became the new faux Republican Gov. who is overseeing the death of California, and John Wayne is long dead&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is some of the best writing I&#039;ve seen in a long time, anywhere!

Thanks for Teh Funneh!

Jay K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is some of the best writing I&#8217;ve seen in a long time, anywhere!</p>
<p>Thanks for Teh Funneh!</p>
<p>Jay K.</p>
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		<title>By: darkmetal</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60520</link>
		<dc:creator>darkmetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I tend to disagree with you on the issue of the prize on TUF being a &quot;6 figure contract&quot; being too low.  Of course, it could mean they are getting $100,000, which isn&#039;t bad if they lose all their fights in a years time, you would agree...true?  But it could also mean as much as $999,999 (although I would agree that is unlikely) and could include 20k or so &quot;fight of the night&quot; bonuses which could drive that amount even higher.  Add in endorsements, say from &quot;Condom Depot&quot; (ugh) and you drive their pay even higher.

Basically, we are talking about the winner of TUF doing much better than the average MMA fighter, and they are given something even greater--a big chance to become a UFC &quot;Star&quot; and that I would say, is priceless.

I also disagree with you on the issue of Franklin and Hughes rolling with the troops as something being odd.  What you are dealing with is great men who lost their limbs and now feel they are somehow &quot;less&quot; than they once were.  Being on the mat with 2 former UFC champions, and actually doing quite well, proves that their lives are not quite as limited as they might have thought.  Personally I see this as  &quot;Pro&quot; to Franklin and Hughes for treating these guys as men rather than cripples.

On the Al-Hassan failure to tap, I totally agree.  If they have you and you can&#039;t escape, then tap.  There is no dishonor in avoiding an injury.  However, the true CON should go to they guy who broke his arm, who then went on and gleefully told Joe Rogan how he thought it was great to hear the &quot;Pop&quot; of practically ripping his opponent&#039;s arm off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I tend to disagree with you on the issue of the prize on TUF being a &#8220;6 figure contract&#8221; being too low.  Of course, it could mean they are getting $100,000, which isn&#8217;t bad if they lose all their fights in a years time, you would agree&#8230;true?  But it could also mean as much as $999,999 (although I would agree that is unlikely) and could include 20k or so &#8220;fight of the night&#8221; bonuses which could drive that amount even higher.  Add in endorsements, say from &#8220;Condom Depot&#8221; (ugh) and you drive their pay even higher.</p>
<p>Basically, we are talking about the winner of TUF doing much better than the average MMA fighter, and they are given something even greater&#8211;a big chance to become a UFC &#8220;Star&#8221; and that I would say, is priceless.</p>
<p>I also disagree with you on the issue of Franklin and Hughes rolling with the troops as something being odd.  What you are dealing with is great men who lost their limbs and now feel they are somehow &#8220;less&#8221; than they once were.  Being on the mat with 2 former UFC champions, and actually doing quite well, proves that their lives are not quite as limited as they might have thought.  Personally I see this as  &#8220;Pro&#8221; to Franklin and Hughes for treating these guys as men rather than cripples.</p>
<p>On the Al-Hassan failure to tap, I totally agree.  If they have you and you can&#8217;t escape, then tap.  There is no dishonor in avoiding an injury.  However, the true CON should go to they guy who broke his arm, who then went on and gleefully told Joe Rogan how he thought it was great to hear the &#8220;Pop&#8221; of practically ripping his opponent&#8217;s arm off.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done good sir, some truly funny stuff....

agreed on mir and hughes.....well torres too.....oh hell, agreed on everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done good sir, some truly funny stuff&#8230;.</p>
<p>agreed on mir and hughes&#8230;..well torres too&#8230;..oh hell, agreed on everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckaby--

The climax of a Tom Cruise movie?  First, that&#039;s an oxymoron.  Second, it&#039;s disturbing to see that line in the context of a movie in which Cruise prances about in a Nazi uniform.  Leather paddles, anyone?

And with regard to Condom Depot, I think they&#039;re missing an obvious stroke of marketing genius.  Why not a line of very snug beanies for their fans and fighters?  They could all be walking metaphors for the product.  Very apt, in many cases.

Very funny read.  Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckaby&#8211;</p>
<p>The climax of a Tom Cruise movie?  First, that&#8217;s an oxymoron.  Second, it&#8217;s disturbing to see that line in the context of a movie in which Cruise prances about in a Nazi uniform.  Leather paddles, anyone?</p>
<p>And with regard to Condom Depot, I think they&#8217;re missing an obvious stroke of marketing genius.  Why not a line of very snug beanies for their fans and fighters?  They could all be walking metaphors for the product.  Very apt, in many cases.</p>
<p>Very funny read.  Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathedron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathedron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome stuff, Huck.  I love the Matt Hughes jab.  Hughes is such a dick that Condom Depot has to send 20% of their profits to him every month.

On Wiman&#039;s attempt to de-pants his opponent:  I&#039;m sure he was just trying to get the fight restarted on the feet.  I think the ref was thinking it would be a bigger punishment to let the fight continue.  Still, I would have deducted the point without stopping the action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome stuff, Huck.  I love the Matt Hughes jab.  Hughes is such a dick that Condom Depot has to send 20% of their profits to him every month.</p>
<p>On Wiman&#8217;s attempt to de-pants his opponent:  I&#8217;m sure he was just trying to get the fight restarted on the feet.  I think the ref was thinking it would be a bigger punishment to let the fight continue.  Still, I would have deducted the point without stopping the action.</p>
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		<title>By: AbsolutMSU</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60397</link>
		<dc:creator>AbsolutMSU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pros/Cons is my favorite feature on this site - keep them coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pros/Cons is my favorite feature on this site &#8211; keep them coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff L</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60395</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I missed these. Truiumphant return!! Now don&#039;t hold out so long till the next one, Huck, or I guarantee you a world class beating from Torres, who totally isn&#039;t in your glovebox.......OR IS HE?

Second the Mir thing too, long time fan and this season really soured me. Certainly didn&#039;t help he was cast against the classiest and most likable fighter ever in Nog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I missed these. Truiumphant return!! Now don&#8217;t hold out so long till the next one, Huck, or I guarantee you a world class beating from Torres, who totally isn&#8217;t in your glovebox&#8230;&#8230;.OR IS HE?</p>
<p>Second the Mir thing too, long time fan and this season really soured me. Certainly didn&#8217;t help he was cast against the classiest and most likable fighter ever in Nog.</p>
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		<title>By: Tattool</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60388</link>
		<dc:creator>Tattool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“For Matt Hughes it was just an average 4pm on the way home from the sweatshop in his Hummer running over puppies. You know, for Jesus.”

With this line, Huckaby wins the internets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“For Matt Hughes it was just an average 4pm on the way home from the sweatshop in his Hummer running over puppies. You know, for Jesus.”</p>
<p>With this line, Huckaby wins the internets.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Huckaby</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60361</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Huckaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nobody bags on Breen!&quot;

Oh it was a joke.  If he took offense to such things I wouldn&#039;t be able to post this because I would have already been killed by a gang of 74-pound Indonesian fighters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nobody bags on Breen!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh it was a joke.  If he took offense to such things I wouldn&#8217;t be able to post this because I would have already been killed by a gang of 74-pound Indonesian fighters.</p>
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		<title>By: rockthomas</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60360</link>
		<dc:creator>rockthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I have met Mir and he was one of the nicest guys I have met in MMA, and I hve met a lot. Why the hate??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I have met Mir and he was one of the nicest guys I have met in MMA, and I hve met a lot. Why the hate??</p>
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		<title>By: Goomba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goomba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome article. I enjoyed these before, and this was even better than I remember. I was hoping you would bring it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome article. I enjoyed these before, and this was even better than I remember. I was hoping you would bring it back.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For Matt Hughes it was just an average 4pm on the way home from the sweatshop in his Hummer running over puppies.  You know, for Jesus.&quot;

You should win awards for this line alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For Matt Hughes it was just an average 4pm on the way home from the sweatshop in his Hummer running over puppies.  You know, for Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should win awards for this line alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Razz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody bags on Breen!</description>
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		<title>By: CMT</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60326</link>
		<dc:creator>CMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colt McCoy was ROBBED!!! 45-35!!!
Go Florida</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colt McCoy was ROBBED!!! 45-35!!!<br />
Go Florida</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Huckaby</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60270</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Huckaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear at the climax of the film Tom Cruise removes Hitler&#039;s thetans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear at the climax of the film Tom Cruise removes Hitler&#8217;s thetans.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to add my quick two cents on the movie thing: i am jewish (and also from philly ironically enough) and have no desire to see valkryie. not because of any religious reasons, just because it looks like a trite, lousy film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to add my quick two cents on the movie thing: i am jewish (and also from philly ironically enough) and have no desire to see valkryie. not because of any religious reasons, just because it looks like a trite, lousy film.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I watched Cantwell-Al-Hassan I couldn&#039;t help but think that Al-Hassan doesn&#039;t know how to grapple. He gave up every position within seconds and wouldn&#039;t tap to the arm bar. Maybe he thought this was K-1 and was like wtf when it went elsewhere.

Hell I kinda wanna go see Valkyrie on Christmas and if I can find a couple hours to sneak away from family I might do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I watched Cantwell-Al-Hassan I couldn&#8217;t help but think that Al-Hassan doesn&#8217;t know how to grapple. He gave up every position within seconds and wouldn&#8217;t tap to the arm bar. Maybe he thought this was K-1 and was like wtf when it went elsewhere.</p>
<p>Hell I kinda wanna go see Valkyrie on Christmas and if I can find a couple hours to sneak away from family I might do it.</p>
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		<title>By: ctownhood</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/15/pros-and-cons-spiketv-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-60261</link>
		<dc:creator>ctownhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude..you&#039;re know you&#039;re a player when you have to bulk order condoms on the Internet

A few tidbits:

1. I agree, Mir is a douchebag
2. Miguel Torres is a cyborg..I am convinced.
3. You know Hughes choked one of those guys unconscious too..II just know it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude..you&#8217;re know you&#8217;re a player when you have to bulk order condoms on the Internet</p>
<p>A few tidbits:</p>
<p>1. I agree, Mir is a douchebag<br />
2. Miguel Torres is a cyborg..I am convinced.<br />
3. You know Hughes choked one of those guys unconscious too..II just know it</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valkyrie is opening up on Christmas because Jews do not celebrate Christmas and traditionally (at least in Philly)  Go out to eat at Chinese restaraunts and go to a movie. I think it is safe to assume that anything that demonizes Nazi Germany is a sure thing on that day. Merely my assessment for why they would open on Christmas, I dont know anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valkyrie is opening up on Christmas because Jews do not celebrate Christmas and traditionally (at least in Philly)  Go out to eat at Chinese restaraunts and go to a movie. I think it is safe to assume that anything that demonizes Nazi Germany is a sure thing on that day. Merely my assessment for why they would open on Christmas, I dont know anything.</p>
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