Comments on: Heavy Lies the Light Heavyweight Crown of Rashad Evans http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:04:09 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mark B http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-65964 Mark B Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:54:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-65964 I just want to see history made in the UFC one day especially seeing BJ Penn not being able to do it against Georges St Pierre for his second belt, I think Anderson Silva should face Rashad Evans or whoever has the title when its time in a light heavyweight bout and go for 2 belts, I think Silva would win and hold that belt plus the middleweight belt for a very long time. Hell i'd say he'd even beat Lesnar at heavyweight if he could swing his weight that much. Royce Gracie was great back in his day now people might as well face it, Anderson Silva is by far the dominant one today. I dont know what the UFC is waiting on they sure gave a title shot to Lesnar in a hurry everybody knows he should not have got it as quick as he did at the time, I think Both Coaches at the last ultimate fighter should've been before him especially Frank Mir since we already know he's better than Brock Lesnar. So why not make the others wait in the light heavyweight and give it to Anderson Silva then let him be the hunted, I mean come on what else does he have to prove. I just want to see history made in the UFC one day especially seeing BJ Penn not being able to do it against Georges St Pierre for his second belt, I think Anderson Silva should face Rashad Evans or whoever has the title when its time in a light heavyweight bout and go for 2 belts, I think Silva would win and hold that belt plus the middleweight belt for a very long time. Hell i’d say he’d even beat Lesnar at heavyweight if he could swing his weight that much. Royce Gracie was great back in his day now people might as well face it, Anderson Silva is by far the dominant one today. I dont know what the UFC is waiting on they sure gave a title shot to Lesnar in a hurry everybody knows he should not have got it as quick as he did at the time, I think Both Coaches at the last ultimate fighter should’ve been before him especially Frank Mir since we already know he’s better than Brock Lesnar. So why not make the others wait in the light heavyweight and give it to Anderson Silva then let him be the hunted, I mean come on what else does he have to prove.

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]]> By: TS http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-62692 TS Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:21:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-62692 Rampage doesnt deserve a shot just yet. C'mon only one win. Dont get me wrong Rampage is one of my favorite fighters but I dont think one victory gets a title shot, nor do I think the winner of Machida/Silva get it. Let the winner face Rampage in about April then have that winner fight for the title in or around July. If you have to have a title shot sooner then it has to be the winner of Machida/Silva and to make the card more interesting add Mir vs Lesnar. Rampage doesnt deserve a shot just yet. C’mon only one win. Dont get me wrong Rampage is one of my favorite fighters but I dont think one victory gets a title shot, nor do I think the winner of Machida/Silva get it. Let the winner face Rampage in about April then have that winner fight for the title in or around July. If you have to have a title shot sooner then it has to be the winner of Machida/Silva and to make the card more interesting add Mir vs Lesnar.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-62115 Imbecile Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:18:18 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-62115 I'm not minimizing Evans' accomplishments, I am just saying I still have questions about his overall game. He has definitely disproven me time and again, but I still think he has major holes in his game until I see differently. He obviously has a lot of talent, but he has yet to face an equal or better wrestler, and he has yet to face a really strong jiu-jitsu fighter. He is also someone who just a couple of fights ago barely squeaked out a split decision over Bisping, so I wonder about his consistency. Maybe he will disprove me, maybe he won't. The guy could have awesom BJJ defense, but I don't know at this point. I only know what he has shown me, and that is that Rashad is a better than average wrestler (but far from completely dominant), with average top control on the ground, pretty average conditioning, and some fast and powerful striking that can be very wild at times. What else do I know about him? I know he makes excuses for times he has been in trouble in fights, he is cocky and diminishes his opponents skills in interviews and talks about how nobody can hurt him, and he is prone to disrespectful displays inside the octagon, a la the kiss and groin tap. He isn't an outright jerk, as I said above, but he isn't someone who endears himself to a lot of people, either. He is certainly a threat to anyone at 205, but I'm not sold on him as the best 205 lb'er out there just yet. None of that is hate. He just isn't my favorite, and I have a lot of unanswered questions about his overall game. I’m not minimizing Evans’ accomplishments, I am just saying I still have questions about his overall game. He has definitely disproven me time and again, but I still think he has major holes in his game until I see differently. He obviously has a lot of talent, but he has yet to face an equal or better wrestler, and he has yet to face a really strong jiu-jitsu fighter. He is also someone who just a couple of fights ago barely squeaked out a split decision over Bisping, so I wonder about his consistency. Maybe he will disprove me, maybe he won’t. The guy could have awesom BJJ defense, but I don’t know at this point. I only know what he has shown me, and that is that Rashad is a better than average wrestler (but far from completely dominant), with average top control on the ground, pretty average conditioning, and some fast and powerful striking that can be very wild at times.

What else do I know about him? I know he makes excuses for times he has been in trouble in fights, he is cocky and diminishes his opponents skills in interviews and talks about how nobody can hurt him, and he is prone to disrespectful displays inside the octagon, a la the kiss and groin tap. He isn’t an outright jerk, as I said above, but he isn’t someone who endears himself to a lot of people, either.

He is certainly a threat to anyone at 205, but I’m not sold on him as the best 205 lb’er out there just yet.

None of that is hate. He just isn’t my favorite, and I have a lot of unanswered questions about his overall game.

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]]> By: KTru http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61948 KTru Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:30:37 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61948 Evans will continually not gain the respect he deserves. Easy road this and losing on scorecards that. Not impressive in aspects of his fight game. HE DOES NOT LOSE! Evans does not put himself in position to get subbed, does not leave his chin out, and pounces on the opportunity when his opponent leaves it open. Who will he have to beat in order to get the respect? All the Evans haters look for whatever they can to do what they do the best...HATE... Before he beat Liddell there were glaring weaknesses, before he fought Forrest there were his ring antics.... Before his next fight...... "the guy seems to have no offensive jiu-jitsu, and he has never really been tested against anyone who poses a threat with their jiu-jitsu. Sure, a half-KO’ed Forrest Griffin attempted some lazy subs, but nobody has really tested Rashad’s sub defense yet." Well after he beats Rampage, I guess you will still be able to hang your hat on that Evans will continually not gain the respect he deserves. Easy road this and losing on scorecards that. Not impressive in aspects of his fight game. HE DOES NOT LOSE!
Evans does not put himself in position to get subbed, does not leave his chin out, and pounces on the opportunity when his opponent leaves it open. Who will he have to beat in order to get the respect? All the Evans haters look for whatever they can to do what they do the best…HATE…
Before he beat Liddell there were glaring weaknesses, before he fought Forrest there were his ring antics….
Before his next fight……
“the guy seems to have no offensive jiu-jitsu, and he has never really been tested against anyone who poses a threat with their jiu-jitsu. Sure, a half-KO’ed Forrest Griffin attempted some lazy subs, but nobody has really tested Rashad’s sub defense yet.”

Well after he beats Rampage, I guess you will still be able to hang your hat on that

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]]> By: Max http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61944 Max Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:14:30 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61944 There’s a lot of haters posting up comments in regards to Rashad Evans. Claiming that Rashad is one dimensional… Who really gives a F***!!! So was Chuck Liddell, a good striker and a good sprawl. But everyone seems to agree that Chuckie was a great fighter even though he had a limited arsenal. Rashad was getting his ass whip for the majority of the fights…. Who really gives a F***!!! What matters is whose hand is raised at the end of the fight. Rashad evens admitted that he starts slow. Nogueria is famous for his come from behind victories but no one is a bitching about that. Rashad’s antics disgust you… Who really gives a F***!!! Liddell throws up gangs signs up in every fight. Rampage thinks his a werewolf. St Pierre is a breakdancer. Anderson Silva is also dancing in the ring. It makes for good entertainment. Stop hating. Rashad has proven himself time and time and time again. He definetly belongs in the top 10 light heavyweight and pound for pound. If you don’t like him because you “THINK” you know the kind of person he is… OK Rashad is a good fighter on the road to being a great fighter. And he fights with a lot of heart in that ring. There’s a lot of haters posting up comments in regards to Rashad Evans. Claiming that Rashad is one dimensional… Who really gives a F***!!! So was Chuck Liddell, a good striker and a good sprawl. But everyone seems to agree that Chuckie was a great fighter even though he had a limited arsenal. Rashad was getting his ass whip for the majority of the fights…. Who really gives a F***!!! What matters is whose hand is raised at the end of the fight. Rashad evens admitted that he starts slow. Nogueria is famous for his come from behind victories but no one is a bitching about that. Rashad’s antics disgust you… Who really gives a F***!!! Liddell throws up gangs signs up in every fight. Rampage thinks his a werewolf. St Pierre is a breakdancer. Anderson Silva is also dancing in the ring. It makes for good entertainment. Stop hating. Rashad has proven himself time and time and time again. He definetly belongs in the top 10 light heavyweight and pound for pound. If you don’t like him because you “THINK” you know the kind of person he is… OK Rashad is a good fighter on the road to being a great fighter. And he fights with a lot of heart in that ring.

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]]> By: neijia http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61918 neijia Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:21:39 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61918 @5percentbodyfat - totally agree. Rampage deserves it immediately. That would be a great fight but I think Rampage's experience outweighs Evan's skills. That Liddell held the title so long is impressive in such a stacked division. @5percentbodyfat – totally agree. Rampage deserves it immediately. That would be a great fight but I think Rampage’s experience outweighs Evan’s skills. That Liddell held the title so long is impressive in such a stacked division.

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]]> By: mmastation http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61898 mmastation Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:29:05 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61898 G-Dub "47% of Americans didn’t pull the lever for him so I don’t quite see where you were going with that one." You are throwing that number out there like it means 47% of americans didnt vote for him because he is black, which it doesnt mean at all. Not everyone agrees with his policies. I dont think throwing the race card out there is even necessary at this point. I am also a rashad hater though i am starting to come around slowly. For some reason I just feel like he hasnt done enough or fought a variety of dangerous opponents. He is very well on the path now to fighting those opponents now though. G-Dub

“47% of Americans didn’t pull the lever for him so I don’t quite see where you were going with that one.”

You are throwing that number out there like it means 47% of americans didnt vote for him because he is black, which it doesnt mean at all. Not everyone agrees with his policies.

I dont think throwing the race card out there is even necessary at this point.

I am also a rashad hater though i am starting to come around slowly. For some reason I just feel like he hasnt done enough or fought a variety of dangerous opponents. He is very well on the path now to fighting those opponents now though.

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]]> By: G-DUB http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61891 G-DUB Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:58:46 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61891 It is your right to disagree Imbecile ... it is my opinion and it's not something that I just tossed out there whimsically. I think it's exactly that "arrogant swagger" that you refer to that throws people off, but my impression is that fans seem to be more accepting of that swagger in caucasian fighters. Moreover, to say that Rashad is an "arrogant" dude is a joke. Has anyone ever heard him be interviewed? It's just the way he moves .... and partly the entertainer aspect of what he does. Like I said .... this is my take on it so I'm sharing it. It is based on my exposure to fans during Rashad figths, especially against Forrest this past weekend ... and hey ... citing our new Pres as proof that there is little racism in this country is an arguement that doesn't hold much water. 47% of Americans didn't pull the lever for him so I don't quite see where you were going with that one. It is your right to disagree Imbecile … it is my opinion and it’s not something that I just tossed out there whimsically. I think it’s exactly that “arrogant swagger” that you refer to that throws people off, but my impression is that fans seem to be more accepting of that swagger in caucasian fighters. Moreover, to say that Rashad is an “arrogant” dude is a joke. Has anyone ever heard him be interviewed? It’s just the way he moves …. and partly the entertainer aspect of what he does.
Like I said …. this is my take on it so I’m sharing it. It is based on my exposure to fans during Rashad figths, especially against Forrest this past weekend … and hey … citing our new Pres as proof that there is little racism in this country is an arguement that doesn’t hold much water. 47% of Americans didn’t pull the lever for him so I don’t quite see where you were going with that one.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61886 Imbecile Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:34:31 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61886 @ G-DUB I think you are absolutely wrong in throwing the race card out there, saying that many people don't like Rashad due to race. I happen to have a lot of questions about Rashad's fight game still, and I haven't particularly liked the way he has carried himself before and after certain fights. He isn't so much a jerk, but just has a certain arrogant swagger that is quite annoying. But none of this has to do with race. I personally love Rampage, Anderson Silva, and a whole lot of other black fighters. I really don't even see fighters based on skin color, and I'm sure many others are the same way. Just because a guy isn't popular doesn't mean it has anything to do with race. We have a black President now, for goodness sake... can people just get over their victimhood and stop seeing everything through racially tinged glasses. Sure, there are racists out there. But people that accuse racism in others with no evidence of it are just as pathetic and bad as the real racists out there. @ G-DUB

I think you are absolutely wrong in throwing the race card out there, saying that many people don’t like Rashad due to race. I happen to have a lot of questions about Rashad’s fight game still, and I haven’t particularly liked the way he has carried himself before and after certain fights. He isn’t so much a jerk, but just has a certain arrogant swagger that is quite annoying. But none of this has to do with race. I personally love Rampage, Anderson Silva, and a whole lot of other black fighters. I really don’t even see fighters based on skin color, and I’m sure many others are the same way. Just because a guy isn’t popular doesn’t mean it has anything to do with race. We have a black President now, for goodness sake… can people just get over their victimhood and stop seeing everything through racially tinged glasses. Sure, there are racists out there. But people that accuse racism in others with no evidence of it are just as pathetic and bad as the real racists out there.

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]]> By: Imbecile http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/28/heavy-lies-the-light-heavyweight-crown-of-rashad-evans/comment-page-1/#comment-61882 Imbecile Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:28:27 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10454#comment-61882 Rashad is a strange fighter to me. Like Rich S. said above, he continues to disprove, and wins when I think he will lose. But I'm still not sold on his talents. Everyone says he is an amazing record, but his college wrestling credentials are a joke when compared to someone like Lesnar, or even guys like CB Dollaway and Ryan Bader. Rashad wasn't much better than 50-50 in his college record. Also, I don't think he has displayed incredible takedowns or top control in MMA. He also has a strange striking style that can be effective, but can be just as effective in getting him hit. Despite his constant movement, he doesn't have fantastic defense, and his head movement doesn't seem to get him out of the way of punches. His best attribute is that he is fast, and he does wing in some fast strikes, mainly from the outside. Also, the guy seems to have no offensive jiu-jitsu, and he has never really been tested against anyone who poses a threat with their jiu-jitsu. Sure, a half-KO'ed Forrest Griffin attempted some lazy subs, but nobody has really tested Rashad's sub defense yet. Rashad is also the type of fighter who can go from very lackluster performances against fairly average 205 lb. fighters, like Tito Ortiz and Michael Bisping (I thought he actually lost to Bisping on my scorecards), to knocking out Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell. Also, it doesn't hurt to mention that he was losing almost every second of the fight to Forrest until the end. My problem with Rashad is that while he certainly has talent, I just still have too many questions about him as a fighter. He had a reasonably easy road up the ranks, and I jst don't know how long he will be able to hold onto that belt for. Rashad is a strange fighter to me. Like Rich S. said above, he continues to disprove, and wins when I think he will lose. But I’m still not sold on his talents. Everyone says he is an amazing record, but his college wrestling credentials are a joke when compared to someone like Lesnar, or even guys like CB Dollaway and Ryan Bader. Rashad wasn’t much better than 50-50 in his college record. Also, I don’t think he has displayed incredible takedowns or top control in MMA.

He also has a strange striking style that can be effective, but can be just as effective in getting him hit. Despite his constant movement, he doesn’t have fantastic defense, and his head movement doesn’t seem to get him out of the way of punches. His best attribute is that he is fast, and he does wing in some fast strikes, mainly from the outside.

Also, the guy seems to have no offensive jiu-jitsu, and he has never really been tested against anyone who poses a threat with their jiu-jitsu. Sure, a half-KO’ed Forrest Griffin attempted some lazy subs, but nobody has really tested Rashad’s sub defense yet.

Rashad is also the type of fighter who can go from very lackluster performances against fairly average 205 lb. fighters, like Tito Ortiz and Michael Bisping (I thought he actually lost to Bisping on my scorecards), to knocking out Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell. Also, it doesn’t hurt to mention that he was losing almost every second of the fight to Forrest until the end.

My problem with Rashad is that while he certainly has talent, I just still have too many questions about him as a fighter. He had a reasonably easy road up the ranks, and I jst don’t know how long he will be able to hold onto that belt for.

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