Comments on: Cro Cop, Aoki, and host of underdogs victorious at FEG’s “Dynamite!!” http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/ Your Destination for Insider MMA News and Opinion Sat, 26 May 2012 18:11:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Nir http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62411 Nir Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:39:47 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62411 Rich S., first off, you gotta agree that Aoki doesn't have ANY standup. he's fun to watch, I love his submissions, but how can someone with no stand up be considered as so good? second, don't forget that Hansen recently beat Aoki, and easily, so I'm not sure Aoki's really much better than him. as for you being so sure these fighters who fight in Japan can smoke everyone, if you look at their record, take Hansen, Gomi or Aoki, it's hard to find a win over even a mid-level contender in the UFC. Marcus Aurelio made a big splash in Japan, and everyone considered him to be a top 10 guy, but when he came to the UFC he had very mixed results, until the finally cut him. that's what will likely happen to any of the fighters you listed. (let's call it "the Sokoudjou sydrom") Rich S.,

first off, you gotta agree that Aoki doesn’t have ANY standup. he’s fun to watch, I love his submissions, but how can someone with no stand up be considered as so good?

second, don’t forget that Hansen recently beat Aoki, and easily, so I’m not sure Aoki’s really much better than him.

as for you being so sure these fighters who fight in Japan can smoke everyone, if you look at their record, take Hansen, Gomi or Aoki, it’s hard to find a win over even a mid-level contender in the UFC. Marcus Aurelio made a big splash in Japan, and everyone considered him to be a top 10 guy, but when he came to the UFC he had very mixed results, until the finally cut him. that’s what will likely happen to any of the fighters you listed. (let’s call it “the Sokoudjou sydrom”)

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]]> By: platypus http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62329 platypus Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:48:53 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62329 doesnt seem like romano travels much, or is very accepting of foreign customs or culture, or really is interested in stopping to consider that maybe other countries have different cultures. its ok though, since what goes on in japan generally stays there. great results, great fights, im glad b/c i remember back in the day all the mma fighters were getting embarrassed in their dabbings into k1. hoost owned igor vov, sefo owned melvin and sapp, im sure there are more matches, like mike zambidis KOing kid yam, its like all this has been building up for a night of vengeance by mma fighters, awesome doesnt seem like romano travels much, or is very accepting of foreign customs or culture, or really is interested in stopping to consider that maybe other countries have different cultures. its ok though, since what goes on in japan generally stays there.

great results, great fights, im glad b/c i remember back in the day all the mma fighters were getting embarrassed in their dabbings into k1. hoost owned igor vov, sefo owned melvin and sapp, im sure there are more matches, like mike zambidis KOing kid yam, its like all this has been building up for a night of vengeance by mma fighters, awesome

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62278 Rich S. Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:06:10 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62278 Nir, you can't tell me Alvarez wouldn't smoke any LW the UFC has to offer, barring Penn.. Hell, Alvarez beat Hansen, and i'd say Hansen can smoke any LW the UFC has to offer.. Aoki has beaten both of them, so to say he "can't even beat guys like Escudero or Nover" is crazy.. Nir,
you can’t tell me Alvarez wouldn’t smoke any LW the UFC has to offer, barring Penn..
Hell, Alvarez beat Hansen, and i’d say Hansen can smoke any LW the UFC has to offer..
Aoki has beaten both of them, so to say he “can’t even beat guys like Escudero or Nover” is crazy..

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]]> By: choi hong man is sexy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62277 choi hong man is sexy Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:04:54 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62277 i agree with cathedron. watching mma fighters vs k1 fighters is great. it's surprising that these mma guys can hang with the k1 fighters and even more surprising that they would win. it's great to see though. i loved seeing overeem destroy that jerk badr hari. i only qish that the fight wouldve been mma rules so he couldve really broken hari's neck. side note: overeem's wife/gf is FINE AS HELL!!!!!. at the moment i'm in south korea and saw this show on korean cable for free. if k1 and dream can put on such a massive show on cable (NOT ppv) why cant it be done in the US? i agree with cathedron. watching mma fighters vs k1 fighters is great. it’s surprising that these mma guys can hang with the k1 fighters and even more surprising that they would win. it’s great to see though.

i loved seeing overeem destroy that jerk badr hari. i only qish that the fight wouldve been mma rules so he couldve really broken hari’s neck. side note: overeem’s wife/gf is FINE AS HELL!!!!!.

at the moment i’m in south korea and saw this show on korean cable for free. if k1 and dream can put on such a massive show on cable (NOT ppv) why cant it be done in the US?

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]]> By: Nir http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62276 Nir Thu, 01 Jan 2009 00:56:55 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62276 Romano's right. I think Aoki can't even beat guys like Escuardo or Nover. he's got great submissions, not much else. how is he ranked so high? who has he beaten? with all due respect to Alvarez, i love watching him fight but he's mainly beaten lesser talent on smaller shows. you see "super submission guys" like Alberto Crane come to the UFC and get their ass handed to them, it wouldn't be any different for Aoki. Romano’s right. I think Aoki can’t even beat guys like Escuardo or Nover. he’s got great submissions, not much else. how is he ranked so high? who has he beaten? with all due respect to Alvarez, i love watching him fight but he’s mainly beaten lesser talent on smaller shows.
you see “super submission guys” like Alberto Crane come to the UFC and get their ass handed to them, it wouldn’t be any different for Aoki.

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]]> By: Rich S. http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62265 Rich S. Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:54:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62265 Aoki's BEAST. He had me and the whole arena laughing with that little scoot show he put on.. and it simply amazes me that ANYONE can beat Eddie with such a small amount of time and such ease.. great job.. Also, Grats to Mirko.. he did exactly what he needed to do: chop down the giant tree at the base with his axe, or in this case, his left leg.. That's EXACTLY what he needs to do if he rematches Overeem, otherwise, he'll lose.. also i was very shocked with the Manhoef fight.. glad with the results though.. Aoki’s BEAST.
He had me and the whole arena laughing with that little scoot show he put on..
and it simply amazes me that ANYONE can beat Eddie with such a small amount of time and such ease..
great job..

Also, Grats to Mirko.. he did exactly what he needed to do: chop down the giant tree at the base with his axe, or in this case, his left leg..
That’s EXACTLY what he needs to do if he rematches Overeem, otherwise, he’ll lose..

also i was very shocked with the Manhoef fight.. glad with the results though..

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]]> By: Cathedron http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62263 Cathedron Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:32:14 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62263 Good night for MMA in general. Beating K-1 guys with their own rules is just awesome to me. I agree totally with Big Dummy. WAMMA is totally pointless. The UFC doesn't need them to lend validity to their belts, so already most of the best fighters will never be "WAMMA certified". Hell, any promotion that gets big won't want to water down the value of their own belts. I'm going to start a better organization than WAMMA right now, if anybody's interested. I'll call my org Pound For Pound (or #4# for short - it'll make cool t-shirts). I could probably scrounge up enough cash to make a belt in the next month. I could mail that belt to Anderson Silva and declare him the Best Fighter on Earth. Does that make any titles I hand out important? Hey! Look at me! I'm important. Good night for MMA in general. Beating K-1 guys with their own rules is just awesome to me.

I agree totally with Big Dummy. WAMMA is totally pointless. The UFC doesn’t need them to lend validity to their belts, so already most of the best fighters will never be “WAMMA certified”. Hell, any promotion that gets big won’t want to water down the value of their own belts.

I’m going to start a better organization than WAMMA right now, if anybody’s interested. I’ll call my org Pound For Pound (or #4# for short – it’ll make cool t-shirts). I could probably scrounge up enough cash to make a belt in the next month. I could mail that belt to Anderson Silva and declare him the Best Fighter on Earth. Does that make any titles I hand out important? Hey! Look at me! I’m important.

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62261 Patrick Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:39:32 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62261 45huddle, Misunderstood what you were saying, thought you were saying that Aoki wasn't a top 5 guy, my bad. He's definitely ranked #2 on my personal list, but 2/3 is a close call. I agree with you though that Penn is leagues ahead of everyone else in the LW division (also... he's my favorite fighter, he'd be number 1 regardless for me haha). We'll see, I'd like to see Aoki get that Dream title from Hansen, beat JZ again, and then move on to bigger and better things (UFC). Aokiplatas for all. 45huddle,

Misunderstood what you were saying, thought you were saying that Aoki wasn’t a top 5 guy, my bad. He’s definitely ranked #2 on my personal list, but 2/3 is a close call. I agree with you though that Penn is leagues ahead of everyone else in the LW division (also… he’s my favorite fighter, he’d be number 1 regardless for me haha).

We’ll see, I’d like to see Aoki get that Dream title from Hansen, beat JZ again, and then move on to bigger and better things (UFC).

Aokiplatas for all.

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]]> By: TurdFerguson http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62257 TurdFerguson Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:20:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62257 I wonder what was up with Hansen? Haven't heard anything yet, is this similar to when Aleks couldn't pass medical for Banned! Probably a nagging injury I wonder what was up with Hansen? Haven’t heard anything yet, is this similar to when Aleks couldn’t pass medical for Banned! Probably a nagging injury

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]]> By: Joseph http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62254 Joseph Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:42:59 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62254 Check out roman and his haterade...LOL! I am sure Aoki is NO MATCH for the elite fighters like Florian and Sherk....LOL! Check out roman and his haterade…LOL!

I am sure Aoki is NO MATCH for the elite fighters like Florian and Sherk….LOL!

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]]> By: romano http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62252 romano Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:52:33 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62252 it's impossible for me to speak highly of aoki....i mean sure his submission game is second to none....but who on earth believes that crab walk antonio inoki style would fly against kenny florian, sean sherk, bj penn or a dozen other guys in an octagon? japanese lightweights are ALWAYS overrated....ever since the mma community decided to completely forget about gomi's failures and rank him as if he was an undefeated monster, for some reason mma writers buy into that japanese mythology in the lower weight classes. i could barely watch this morning. Pride had great english speaking announcers and backstage bits that made up for the odd japanese production values...but this dynamite show was just ridiculous. i don't understand why the japanese are entertained by the things that they are entertained by....it's like the whole country is constantly on acid or something. it’s impossible for me to speak highly of aoki….i mean sure his submission game is second to none….but who on earth believes that crab walk antonio inoki style would fly against kenny florian, sean sherk, bj penn or a dozen other guys in an octagon?

japanese lightweights are ALWAYS overrated….ever since the mma community decided to completely forget about gomi’s failures and rank him as if he was an undefeated monster, for some reason mma writers buy into that japanese mythology in the lower weight classes.

i could barely watch this morning. Pride had great english speaking announcers and backstage bits that made up for the odd japanese production values…but this dynamite show was just ridiculous. i don’t understand why the japanese are entertained by the things that they are entertained by….it’s like the whole country is constantly on acid or something.

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]]> By: 45huddle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62251 45huddle Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:46:26 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62251 Patrick, After this victory, he is back to #2 in the world.... I was just making reference to WAMMA having him ranked #3 in the world before this fight. But as of right now, he is #2 in the world.... The only problem is that BJ Penn is the worst matchup for him in all of MMA. He can't sub BJ, and BJ would hurt him on the feet. Styles make fights, and that fight would put a "L" on Aoki's record. Patrick,

After this victory, he is back to #2 in the world…. I was just making reference to WAMMA having him ranked #3 in the world before this fight.

But as of right now, he is #2 in the world…. The only problem is that BJ Penn is the worst matchup for him in all of MMA. He can’t sub BJ, and BJ would hurt him on the feet. Styles make fights, and that fight would put a “L” on Aoki’s record.

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]]> By: Big Dummy http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62248 Big Dummy Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:39:00 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62248 Isn't WAMMA supposed to be a sanctioning body? How in the hell did they sanction a fight they weren't even at? What is it they exactly do that allows them to call themselves a sanctioning body? How about someone explaining what exactly WAMMA's role was in the Aoki/Alvarez fight? Step by Step what exactly they did for that fight? For that matter what exactly was there role in the Fedor/Timmy fight? What exactly did they do for those fights that constitute them being considered a sanctioning body? What in the hell does WAMMA actually do other than hand out belts and hope to make money off of that? Someone also please explain to me why anyone would buy into WAMMA? I mean if in any other field of business a company formed and said we are new to this business but we are going to be the leader in this field of business and tell everyone else in this business what to do and how to run things and make money off all your hard work they would be looked at as crazy. To me that would never fly for any company in any other business so why is WAMMA looked at as a good idea by anyone for the business of MMA. Isn’t WAMMA supposed to be a sanctioning body?

How in the hell did they sanction a fight they weren’t even at?

What is it they exactly do that allows them to call themselves a sanctioning body?

How about someone explaining what exactly WAMMA’s role was in the Aoki/Alvarez fight? Step by Step what exactly they did for that fight? For that matter what exactly was there role in the Fedor/Timmy fight? What exactly did they do for those fights that constitute them being considered a sanctioning body?

What in the hell does WAMMA actually do other than hand out belts and hope to make money off of that?

Someone also please explain to me why anyone would buy into WAMMA? I mean if in any other field of business a company formed and said we are new to this business but we are going to be the leader in this field of business and tell everyone else in this business what to do and how to run things and make money off all your hard work they would be looked at as crazy. To me that would never fly for any company in any other business so why is WAMMA looked at as a good idea by anyone for the business of MMA.

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]]> By: Patrick http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62245 Patrick Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:00:01 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62245 Aoki may not be top 3 (depending on how you rank...) However, Aoki is most certainly top 5 after beating Eddie, easy. There is quite a short list of guys above him at lightweight. Aoki may not be top 3 (depending on how you rank…)

However, Aoki is most certainly top 5 after beating Eddie, easy. There is quite a short list of guys above him at lightweight.

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]]> By: 45huddle http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/12/31/cro-cop-aoki-and-host-of-underdogs-victorious-at-fegs-dynamite/comment-page-1/#comment-62235 45huddle Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:55:03 +0000 http://fiveouncesofpain.com/?p=10569#comment-62235 Translation: DREAM Doesn't care about WAMMA. WAMMA Lightweight Title is now just a second DREAM Belt. Nothing more, nothing less. It's pointless as Aoki isn't going to be cross promoting, and he wasn't even Top 3 at the time of the fight (in credible rankings). Please, for normalcy, just drop this WAMMA garbage already. I know Mr. Caplan thinks it is doing good, but it just dilutes the sport, and adds more politics like boxing to it. WAMMA doesn't even have a credible Championship policy like The Ring Magazine does.... Nor do they allow 50% of their ranked fighters to compete for it. That makes it pointless. Please, let it die off already. Translation: DREAM Doesn’t care about WAMMA.

WAMMA Lightweight Title is now just a second DREAM Belt. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s pointless as Aoki isn’t going to be cross promoting, and he wasn’t even Top 3 at the time of the fight (in credible rankings).

Please, for normalcy, just drop this WAMMA garbage already. I know Mr. Caplan thinks it is doing good, but it just dilutes the sport, and adds more politics like boxing to it. WAMMA doesn’t even have a credible Championship policy like The Ring Magazine does…. Nor do they allow 50% of their ranked fighters to compete for it. That makes it pointless. Please, let it die off already.

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