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	<title>Comments on: Vadim Finkelchtein Interview Part II: &#8220;We&#8217;ve always wanted to collaborate with good partners, the problem is that Dana White is not letting that happen.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look Dana is right here, if Fedor wanted to fight in the UFC, fight the best, he would sign.  WHy does the UFC have to co promote and help out Fedors managers company M 1?  Look, its very simple, Fedor doesnt want to be tied down and the UFC wants him to fight only for them.  You think they want Fedor to come in, fight  Randy, win the belt, then leave?  WHat if he gets hurt in a Sambo fight?  Then what?  oh, sorry but the HW champ cant fight for a year cause he got hurt fighting outside the UFC?  Give me a break.  It doesnt have shit to do with his contract, its the fact that oh sorry but the HW champ if he was, cant fight for how long cause he hurt himself outside the UFC, fuck the contract, thats what its about, and anyone who doesnt see that doesnt know shit about buisiness.  And really, Fedor doesnt get anyone to buy events.  Aff did 100k, Brock does a million.  

And some of these kids are stupid as fuck, one kid saying UFC is bringing MMA down cause they have an event a WEEK BEFORE the aff event, how is that hurting Aff?  They have two events a week before and after Aff, oh but he shouldnt put on events cause Aff is, so he cant have an event this month then right?  Dana built MMA to what it is now, like him or not, the UFC is the biggest shit out in MMA for a reason, why should he bend over for this manager and Fedor?  They dont need him, shit Fedor needs them.  If he beats AA, then JB, then what?    The UFC doesnt need Fedor at all, Brock is the champ, if he beats Mir, UFC has Kongo, carwin, Gonzaga, Cain for him to fight.  They might want to get Overeem, so the UFC is fine, I want Fedor in the UFC, but he dont want to go there, and the UFC isnt gonna break what they do for one fighter, I mean he may be the best HW, but Dana is right, he will say he is the best when he beats the UFC&#039;s best.  Fedor isnt the huge draw so if he dont want to fight for the UFC, fuck him then.  I hope AA wins, then AA and the UFC are still good, Dana wants AA back, didnt want him to go, if he wins, then he comes back over, fights the UFC HW champ.  Go AA, and only cause AA would come back, Fedor wont, so if Fedor wins, who cares, he wont come to the UFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look Dana is right here, if Fedor wanted to fight in the UFC, fight the best, he would sign.  WHy does the UFC have to co promote and help out Fedors managers company M 1?  Look, its very simple, Fedor doesnt want to be tied down and the UFC wants him to fight only for them.  You think they want Fedor to come in, fight  Randy, win the belt, then leave?  WHat if he gets hurt in a Sambo fight?  Then what?  oh, sorry but the HW champ cant fight for a year cause he got hurt fighting outside the UFC?  Give me a break.  It doesnt have shit to do with his contract, its the fact that oh sorry but the HW champ if he was, cant fight for how long cause he hurt himself outside the UFC, fuck the contract, thats what its about, and anyone who doesnt see that doesnt know shit about buisiness.  And really, Fedor doesnt get anyone to buy events.  Aff did 100k, Brock does a million.  </p>
<p>And some of these kids are stupid as fuck, one kid saying UFC is bringing MMA down cause they have an event a WEEK BEFORE the aff event, how is that hurting Aff?  They have two events a week before and after Aff, oh but he shouldnt put on events cause Aff is, so he cant have an event this month then right?  Dana built MMA to what it is now, like him or not, the UFC is the biggest shit out in MMA for a reason, why should he bend over for this manager and Fedor?  They dont need him, shit Fedor needs them.  If he beats AA, then JB, then what?    The UFC doesnt need Fedor at all, Brock is the champ, if he beats Mir, UFC has Kongo, carwin, Gonzaga, Cain for him to fight.  They might want to get Overeem, so the UFC is fine, I want Fedor in the UFC, but he dont want to go there, and the UFC isnt gonna break what they do for one fighter, I mean he may be the best HW, but Dana is right, he will say he is the best when he beats the UFC&#8217;s best.  Fedor isnt the huge draw so if he dont want to fight for the UFC, fuck him then.  I hope AA wins, then AA and the UFC are still good, Dana wants AA back, didnt want him to go, if he wins, then he comes back over, fights the UFC HW champ.  Go AA, and only cause AA would come back, Fedor wont, so if Fedor wins, who cares, he wont come to the UFC.</p>
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		<title>By: Axl Rose</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/02/vadim-finkelchtein-interview-part-ii-weve-always-wanted-to-collaborate-with-good-partners-the-problem-is-that-dana-white-is-not-letting-that-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63602</link>
		<dc:creator>Axl Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana white is a bitch!!!  He is single handedly bringing MMA down man!!!
Who else would be so vicious to try and bring affliction&#039;s card down by placing two payperviews right smak before and after the affliction show!?!  He doesn&#039;t care how many people buy the UFC 93 this week.  He is just trying to take buys away from the Affliction card!  The guy is a friggin disgrace!!!

GO FEDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The real and only best fighter of all times no matter what weight class!

Dana White is a F&#039; bitch holding MMA&#039;s popularity down from what it could really be!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana white is a bitch!!!  He is single handedly bringing MMA down man!!!<br />
Who else would be so vicious to try and bring affliction&#8217;s card down by placing two payperviews right smak before and after the affliction show!?!  He doesn&#8217;t care how many people buy the UFC 93 this week.  He is just trying to take buys away from the Affliction card!  The guy is a friggin disgrace!!!</p>
<p>GO FEDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
The real and only best fighter of all times no matter what weight class!</p>
<p>Dana White is a F&#8217; bitch holding MMA&#8217;s popularity down from what it could really be!!!</p>
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		<title>By: millroots</title>
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		<dc:creator>millroots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You cannot say that UFC is the proving ground because many fighters are signing or trying to sign with them. If you worked in an industry where one organization offerred you a huge office, a big salary and a lot of flashy intangibles that would catch anyones eye, you would probably go there too. Thats what the ufc does, they throw money around give people exposure on a market they have almost cornered.

money does not make you the best, talent makes you the best. Flashy names and cool logos don&#039;t make fighters. so forget labels and organizations like UFC, K1 ect. Focus on what fighters have done.

White is being terribly unreasonable with Fedor&#039;s passion for sambo. Just throw in a claus on his contract. ex. &quot;if fedor sustains any injury during any combat sambo competitions that impeed his fighting for the ufc this contract will become null and void upon the inability of Fedor to compete  for the ufc&quot;

i am no business major, but that little inch to fedor not only gives the fans what they want (who enevitably decide who the major face of mma is) but protects Dana White&#039;s money, business and reputation.  Dana White wants too much control and too much control is never good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot say that UFC is the proving ground because many fighters are signing or trying to sign with them. If you worked in an industry where one organization offerred you a huge office, a big salary and a lot of flashy intangibles that would catch anyones eye, you would probably go there too. Thats what the ufc does, they throw money around give people exposure on a market they have almost cornered.</p>
<p>money does not make you the best, talent makes you the best. Flashy names and cool logos don&#8217;t make fighters. so forget labels and organizations like UFC, K1 ect. Focus on what fighters have done.</p>
<p>White is being terribly unreasonable with Fedor&#8217;s passion for sambo. Just throw in a claus on his contract. ex. &#8220;if fedor sustains any injury during any combat sambo competitions that impeed his fighting for the ufc this contract will become null and void upon the inability of Fedor to compete  for the ufc&#8221;</p>
<p>i am no business major, but that little inch to fedor not only gives the fans what they want (who enevitably decide who the major face of mma is) but protects Dana White&#8217;s money, business and reputation.  Dana White wants too much control and too much control is never good.</p>
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		<title>By: Couch Champ</title>
		<link>http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/02/vadim-finkelchtein-interview-part-ii-weve-always-wanted-to-collaborate-with-good-partners-the-problem-is-that-dana-white-is-not-letting-that-happen/comment-page-1/#comment-63045</link>
		<dc:creator>Couch Champ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fedor has whipped on a few of the UFC&#039;s best HW&#039;s already. I feel that if you think you got the baddest HW on the planet, and you think he can beat Fedor...Put up or Shut up. It&#039;s not Fedor who&#039;s backing away from the challenge. I personally admire the fact that Fedor won&#039;t be bullied into signing his fighting life and potentially future monetary gain away because Dana wants it to be that way. &quot;And still the best HW on the planet.&quot;..FEDOR EMELIANENKO!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fedor has whipped on a few of the UFC&#8217;s best HW&#8217;s already. I feel that if you think you got the baddest HW on the planet, and you think he can beat Fedor&#8230;Put up or Shut up. It&#8217;s not Fedor who&#8217;s backing away from the challenge. I personally admire the fact that Fedor won&#8217;t be bullied into signing his fighting life and potentially future monetary gain away because Dana wants it to be that way. &#8220;And still the best HW on the planet.&#8221;..FEDOR EMELIANENKO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: pl4t</title>
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		<dc:creator>pl4t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no trouble believeing Finklestein.

Anyone who followed the whole Jon Fitch contract saga closely knows the kind of b.s. that the UFC requires fighters to agree to.  Some of it is way over the line.

Clearly, as the concensus #1 P4P fighter in the world, Fedor has some leverage over the UFC if they are trying to sign him, and if he doesn&#039;t like their ridiculous little requirements, he doesn&#039;t sign the document.

If you knew you were worth more, you would reject their offer too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no trouble believeing Finklestein.</p>
<p>Anyone who followed the whole Jon Fitch contract saga closely knows the kind of b.s. that the UFC requires fighters to agree to.  Some of it is way over the line.</p>
<p>Clearly, as the concensus #1 P4P fighter in the world, Fedor has some leverage over the UFC if they are trying to sign him, and if he doesn&#8217;t like their ridiculous little requirements, he doesn&#8217;t sign the document.</p>
<p>If you knew you were worth more, you would reject their offer too.</p>
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		<title>By: Valleydawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valleydawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good interview overall. I agree. However, there is only one &#039;truth&#039;. In this instance, as in every other two-sided disagreement, the &#039;truth&#039; likely lies somewhere in between White and Finkelchtein. It&#039;s simply human nature...just reflect on any disagreement you&#039;ve had with your spouse, sibling, parent, co-worker etc. 

That said...who cares! I&#039;ll side with Dana White every time in these instances. Any of you remember a sport called &#039;Boxing&#039;? I do. It was pretty decent years ago. Now it sucks...badly! Too many promoter&#039;s hands in the pot ruined the sport...who among us MMA fans wants the likes of Bob Aram and Don King ruining our sport? White is doing his best to prevent MMA in general, and the UFC specifically, from being overrun by managers and promoters...and he&#039;s already said this publicly and frequently. Keep up the good work Dana, we don&#039;t want MMA turning into a has-been sport like boxing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good interview overall. I agree. However, there is only one &#8216;truth&#8217;. In this instance, as in every other two-sided disagreement, the &#8216;truth&#8217; likely lies somewhere in between White and Finkelchtein. It&#8217;s simply human nature&#8230;just reflect on any disagreement you&#8217;ve had with your spouse, sibling, parent, co-worker etc. </p>
<p>That said&#8230;who cares! I&#8217;ll side with Dana White every time in these instances. Any of you remember a sport called &#8216;Boxing&#8217;? I do. It was pretty decent years ago. Now it sucks&#8230;badly! Too many promoter&#8217;s hands in the pot ruined the sport&#8230;who among us MMA fans wants the likes of Bob Aram and Don King ruining our sport? White is doing his best to prevent MMA in general, and the UFC specifically, from being overrun by managers and promoters&#8230;and he&#8217;s already said this publicly and frequently. Keep up the good work Dana, we don&#8217;t want MMA turning into a has-been sport like boxing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nihendo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nihendo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 06:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter how good Fedor is. He needs to fight guys as good as Arlovski to stay in the spotlight. There are only a few good HW&#039;s outside the UFC but they will be in the UFC soon. Overeem will sign if he doesn&#039;t have anyone to fight, so Fedor better fight him next before the UFC gets him ... other than that who else is there - Josh Barnett, Kharitanov ... that&#039;s about it. Where is the new talent outside the UFC? Melvin Menhoef has power but his ground game is bad. I can&#039;t think of anyone else outside the UFC who is Fedor worthy. Unless Affliction and other promotions start bringing in new talent the UFC will be the only place for a guy like Fedor to fight top ranked opponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how good Fedor is. He needs to fight guys as good as Arlovski to stay in the spotlight. There are only a few good HW&#8217;s outside the UFC but they will be in the UFC soon. Overeem will sign if he doesn&#8217;t have anyone to fight, so Fedor better fight him next before the UFC gets him &#8230; other than that who else is there &#8211; Josh Barnett, Kharitanov &#8230; that&#8217;s about it. Where is the new talent outside the UFC? Melvin Menhoef has power but his ground game is bad. I can&#8217;t think of anyone else outside the UFC who is Fedor worthy. Unless Affliction and other promotions start bringing in new talent the UFC will be the only place for a guy like Fedor to fight top ranked opponents.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finklechtein underneath it all wants to go one fight at a time, so after he drags the UFC into this trap and then Fedor wins one he can then negotiate the &quot;next&quot; fight at a higher purse.  He himself said just put your &quot;best fighter&quot; up, and one can see that he doesnt want to get involved in a true multi fight contract and have to fight some talented heavies in the division.  Not so fast Rusky even Mirko got drilled and I think you boys are afraid of the same, just as a previous fella wrote.  
  Furthermore he is wrong when he spoke of so much true championship higher caliber talent elsewhere.  Anderson Silva, GSP, and BJ Penn could roll the best in their weight classes from elsewhere, arguably.
  The risk he has is Fedor and himself being marginalized, and they will suffer greatly with a possible loss to Arlovski.  If I was White I wouldnt change my business model for them.  In time it will only prove White is correct, and Fedor will end up fighting for hand picked opponets at circus show events once a year.
Arlovski please put an end to this all and knock him out cold !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finklechtein underneath it all wants to go one fight at a time, so after he drags the UFC into this trap and then Fedor wins one he can then negotiate the &#8220;next&#8221; fight at a higher purse.  He himself said just put your &#8220;best fighter&#8221; up, and one can see that he doesnt want to get involved in a true multi fight contract and have to fight some talented heavies in the division.  Not so fast Rusky even Mirko got drilled and I think you boys are afraid of the same, just as a previous fella wrote.<br />
  Furthermore he is wrong when he spoke of so much true championship higher caliber talent elsewhere.  Anderson Silva, GSP, and BJ Penn could roll the best in their weight classes from elsewhere, arguably.<br />
  The risk he has is Fedor and himself being marginalized, and they will suffer greatly with a possible loss to Arlovski.  If I was White I wouldnt change my business model for them.  In time it will only prove White is correct, and Fedor will end up fighting for hand picked opponets at circus show events once a year.<br />
Arlovski please put an end to this all and knock him out cold !!</p>
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		<title>By: dedstrk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dedstrk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vadim talks about co-promoting, like boxing does, and we all know that is what pretty much ruined boxing so why would Dana want to do something like that? Fedor fighting in the UFC isn&#039;t worth the headaches. Vadim also talks about how the UFC should send who they consider the best to go and fight Fedor to see who the best is. That&#039;s not the point that Dana is trying to make. Come to the UFC to fight all the best. Let&#039;s see if Fedor could take on Couture, Mir, and Lesnar all in the span of a year and come out on top in all three. I believe that he would of course but my point is it&#039;s not about a one off fight to see who the best is. It&#039;s about going through the grind of fighting all of the best. If Fedor were to go through AA, Barnett, and a third solid challenger this year then there could be no denying by anybody that he&#039;s the best. It doesn&#039;t have to be done in the UFC in my opinion, obviously Dana has a different point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vadim talks about co-promoting, like boxing does, and we all know that is what pretty much ruined boxing so why would Dana want to do something like that? Fedor fighting in the UFC isn&#8217;t worth the headaches. Vadim also talks about how the UFC should send who they consider the best to go and fight Fedor to see who the best is. That&#8217;s not the point that Dana is trying to make. Come to the UFC to fight all the best. Let&#8217;s see if Fedor could take on Couture, Mir, and Lesnar all in the span of a year and come out on top in all three. I believe that he would of course but my point is it&#8217;s not about a one off fight to see who the best is. It&#8217;s about going through the grind of fighting all of the best. If Fedor were to go through AA, Barnett, and a third solid challenger this year then there could be no denying by anybody that he&#8217;s the best. It doesn&#8217;t have to be done in the UFC in my opinion, obviously Dana has a different point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Imbecile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imbecile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BigDummy has it right on this one.  Finklechtein made demands of Bodog for prominent co-promotion.  He made demands to Monte Cox for prominent co-promotion, even going so far as to set up M-1 Global as a co-company between his M-1 Mixfight and Monte Cox&#039;s promotions.  He made demands that Affliciton co-promote with M-1 Global, and was even apparently dissatisfied with the prominence with which M-1 Global was considered a partner in the first Affliction show.  

So, given that record, we are supposed to take Finklechtein at his word that he never made a similar demand of the UFC when they negotiated, even though this is corroborated by the UFC and is clearly accurate with Finklechtein&#039;s other business dealings?  I don&#039;t believe the guy at all, and I think that was really the point 45huddle was trying to get at.  While Finklechtein may not have directly contradicted himself, he led credence to a clear history of demands that don&#039;t match up with what he is now saying he demanded of the UFC.  I am disinclined to believe much of what he says.  

There were also alleged demands that the UFC take other Red Devil fighters if they wanted Fedor.  Perhaps the dumbfounding matchup of Kiril Sidelnikov vs. Paul Buentello in the upcoming Affliction show provides at least some questions as to whether this rumored demand was not also true.  

I would have liked to have seen Finklechtein be more directly challenged on some of these points, and on some of his statements.  If this was just a piece to allow Finklechtein free reign to express his opinions free of challenge, and act as a press tool for him and his fighter... well, then, mission accomplished.  But I would prefer to see an interview that not only allowed him to say his piece, but also challenged him on contentious points and helped to reconcile many of the conflicting views out there.  I was not too impressed with Finklechtein&#039;s answers the few times he was at a loss for providing a self-complimentary statement in this interview, and I think very little was accomplished in the entire piece.  

For the record, I would expect the same journalisitc challenging to be a part of an interview with Dana White, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigDummy has it right on this one.  Finklechtein made demands of Bodog for prominent co-promotion.  He made demands to Monte Cox for prominent co-promotion, even going so far as to set up M-1 Global as a co-company between his M-1 Mixfight and Monte Cox&#8217;s promotions.  He made demands that Affliciton co-promote with M-1 Global, and was even apparently dissatisfied with the prominence with which M-1 Global was considered a partner in the first Affliction show.  </p>
<p>So, given that record, we are supposed to take Finklechtein at his word that he never made a similar demand of the UFC when they negotiated, even though this is corroborated by the UFC and is clearly accurate with Finklechtein&#8217;s other business dealings?  I don&#8217;t believe the guy at all, and I think that was really the point 45huddle was trying to get at.  While Finklechtein may not have directly contradicted himself, he led credence to a clear history of demands that don&#8217;t match up with what he is now saying he demanded of the UFC.  I am disinclined to believe much of what he says.  </p>
<p>There were also alleged demands that the UFC take other Red Devil fighters if they wanted Fedor.  Perhaps the dumbfounding matchup of Kiril Sidelnikov vs. Paul Buentello in the upcoming Affliction show provides at least some questions as to whether this rumored demand was not also true.  </p>
<p>I would have liked to have seen Finklechtein be more directly challenged on some of these points, and on some of his statements.  If this was just a piece to allow Finklechtein free reign to express his opinions free of challenge, and act as a press tool for him and his fighter&#8230; well, then, mission accomplished.  But I would prefer to see an interview that not only allowed him to say his piece, but also challenged him on contentious points and helped to reconcile many of the conflicting views out there.  I was not too impressed with Finklechtein&#8217;s answers the few times he was at a loss for providing a self-complimentary statement in this interview, and I think very little was accomplished in the entire piece.  </p>
<p>For the record, I would expect the same journalisitc challenging to be a part of an interview with Dana White, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they just need to quit calling out fighters that theyre never gonna fight....i mean if u really wanna fight all these top guys like u claim then sign with the ufc....dana even said the ufc could pay fedor way more than any of the competition...i hear brock and randy made like 6million on ufc91...no way affliction is paying that much...just sign the contract or shut the fuck up. the ufc will never co-promote with m1....the ufc does not need fedor contrary to what fink thinks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they just need to quit calling out fighters that theyre never gonna fight&#8230;.i mean if u really wanna fight all these top guys like u claim then sign with the ufc&#8230;.dana even said the ufc could pay fedor way more than any of the competition&#8230;i hear brock and randy made like 6million on ufc91&#8230;no way affliction is paying that much&#8230;just sign the contract or shut the fuck up. the ufc will never co-promote with m1&#8230;.the ufc does not need fedor contrary to what fink thinks</p>
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		<title>By: Caidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MasterZero: Yeah, but there are also lists of fighters, that: Went from UFC to PRIDE and lost there (short list, but Liddell, Coleman are there, maybe others, don&#039;t know), went from PRIDE to UFC and are doing well or better (A. Silva, average fighter in PRIDE, Jackson, Nog) and so on... That basically means it is not about PRIDE vs UFC, but simply unique fighters. You can have jitters also from dead silence and 70k in attendance :)

Cage is also something different, but I think, that cage actually benefits fighters with strong GNP which is speciality of Fedor. But most of the time, I think, that these factors are overvalued and great majority of fights would end same, cage or ring. (I have no preference in ring or cage)

BTW: Yeah, of course Fedor will lose sooner or later. And I&#039;m saying that one loss doesn&#039;t change that much, but I&#039;m pretty eager to found out the ruckus and uproar about overhyping it would make, hehe :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MasterZero: Yeah, but there are also lists of fighters, that: Went from UFC to PRIDE and lost there (short list, but Liddell, Coleman are there, maybe others, don&#8217;t know), went from PRIDE to UFC and are doing well or better (A. Silva, average fighter in PRIDE, Jackson, Nog) and so on&#8230; That basically means it is not about PRIDE vs UFC, but simply unique fighters. You can have jitters also from dead silence and 70k in attendance <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cage is also something different, but I think, that cage actually benefits fighters with strong GNP which is speciality of Fedor. But most of the time, I think, that these factors are overvalued and great majority of fights would end same, cage or ring. (I have no preference in ring or cage)</p>
<p>BTW: Yeah, of course Fedor will lose sooner or later. And I&#8217;m saying that one loss doesn&#8217;t change that much, but I&#8217;m pretty eager to found out the ruckus and uproar about overhyping it would make, hehe <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: MasterZero</title>
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		<dc:creator>MasterZero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caidel,

You&#039;re wrong about the proving ground not being in the UFC because you&#039;re not taking into account the intangibles. What I&#039;m referring to is the octagon. Even the best fighters who&#039;ve competed in front of 70k+ in Japan, in a ring before a quiet crowd have gotten the UFC/Octagon Jitters.

The lively, rowdy crowd and the Octagon have a way of messing with a fighters mental game. If you&#039;d like, I can list all of the PRIDE fighters that have lost in the Octagon. Fedor is human and he will lose too. But he&#039;s got to get rid of his management if he&#039;s ever going to fight in the octagon.

&lt;em&gt;Editor&#039;s Note: Username edited. Please stop using the username you attempted to post under. If you do it again, I will have no choice but to ban your posting privileges.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caidel,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong about the proving ground not being in the UFC because you&#8217;re not taking into account the intangibles. What I&#8217;m referring to is the octagon. Even the best fighters who&#8217;ve competed in front of 70k+ in Japan, in a ring before a quiet crowd have gotten the UFC/Octagon Jitters.</p>
<p>The lively, rowdy crowd and the Octagon have a way of messing with a fighters mental game. If you&#8217;d like, I can list all of the PRIDE fighters that have lost in the Octagon. Fedor is human and he will lose too. But he&#8217;s got to get rid of his management if he&#8217;s ever going to fight in the octagon.</p>
<p><em>Editor&#8217;s Note: Username edited. Please stop using the username you attempted to post under. If you do it again, I will have no choice but to ban your posting privileges.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Caidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and Mark, shouting with CAPS LOCK. You are pretty stupid and hateful person. Congrats. 

BTW: I think, that based on result and type of defeat, Fedor should/could actually stay #1 even if he loses with Arlovski. :) (for example if he loses by cut, or in rankings, that doesn&#039;t have Arlovski as #2)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Mark, shouting with CAPS LOCK. You are pretty stupid and hateful person. Congrats. </p>
<p>BTW: I think, that based on result and type of defeat, Fedor should/could actually stay #1 even if he loses with Arlovski. <img src='http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (for example if he loses by cut, or in rankings, that doesn&#8217;t have Arlovski as #2)</p>
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		<title>By: Caidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam: Thanks for a great interview. Always interesting to hear other side of the story (although those who really searched for info knew a lot of these things sooner, but it is always good to have it clearly formulated). Great work.

If I must take a side in this discussion (which I really don&#039;t want to do), then I&#039;m with Vadim. Basically both he and Dana agreed, that there were certain points in the deals, that cannot be accepted by Fedor (and Fedor would be an idiot, to sign deal like that) and that&#039;s it. 

UFC does business certain way and for Fedor it is definitely do business another way. It is as simple as that. And so far, Affliction is doing better job in using Fedor, so no hard feelings there. We&#039;ll see again in a year or two, after he meet all the top competetion in Affliction, maybe then there will be a new breed of HW&#039;s in UFC for Fedor. Right now, proving ground is NOT IN UFC. 

For all the &quot;Fedor must prove himself&quot; guys: He is a consensus champ. For like a 3-4 years in a row now. Challengers should challenge the champion, not the other way around. Just because UFC is a UFC, their fighters are not gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: Thanks for a great interview. Always interesting to hear other side of the story (although those who really searched for info knew a lot of these things sooner, but it is always good to have it clearly formulated). Great work.</p>
<p>If I must take a side in this discussion (which I really don&#8217;t want to do), then I&#8217;m with Vadim. Basically both he and Dana agreed, that there were certain points in the deals, that cannot be accepted by Fedor (and Fedor would be an idiot, to sign deal like that) and that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>UFC does business certain way and for Fedor it is definitely do business another way. It is as simple as that. And so far, Affliction is doing better job in using Fedor, so no hard feelings there. We&#8217;ll see again in a year or two, after he meet all the top competetion in Affliction, maybe then there will be a new breed of HW&#8217;s in UFC for Fedor. Right now, proving ground is NOT IN UFC. </p>
<p>For all the &#8220;Fedor must prove himself&#8221; guys: He is a consensus champ. For like a 3-4 years in a row now. Challengers should challenge the champion, not the other way around. Just because UFC is a UFC, their fighters are not gods.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I WANT FEDOR TO LOSE TO ARLOVSKI SO THAT THIS GUY WONT MAKE ANYMORE DEMANDS THE MOMENT FEDOR LOSE HE IS GONE AS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT AND PROMOTIONS LIKE UFC AND AFFLICTION WILL JUST  DROP FEDOR OFF. M1 WANTS TO BE CREDITED AS CO-PROMOTER BUT EVEN AFFLICTION SEE&#039;S THAT M1 ONLY HAVE 1 FIGHTER ON THE CARD IT CANT BE CO-PROMOTED AND HAVE M1 TO TAKE THE CREDIT FOR IT. 
I REALLY HOPE FEDOR TO LOSE TO SHUT UP M1 PROMOTIONS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I WANT FEDOR TO LOSE TO ARLOVSKI SO THAT THIS GUY WONT MAKE ANYMORE DEMANDS THE MOMENT FEDOR LOSE HE IS GONE AS THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT AND PROMOTIONS LIKE UFC AND AFFLICTION WILL JUST  DROP FEDOR OFF. M1 WANTS TO BE CREDITED AS CO-PROMOTER BUT EVEN AFFLICTION SEE&#8217;S THAT M1 ONLY HAVE 1 FIGHTER ON THE CARD IT CANT BE CO-PROMOTED AND HAVE M1 TO TAKE THE CREDIT FOR IT.<br />
I REALLY HOPE FEDOR TO LOSE TO SHUT UP M1 PROMOTIONS.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fedor dont speak english very well so he needs this guy to constantly making decisions for him that suck. 

the only thing i see is that M1 is trying to ride with ufc&#039;s popularity.

i will say this to that russian manager of fedor.
he said if dana claims dana got the best fighter then have dana&#039;s best boy fight fedor? what i would say is if you want that to happen have fedor sign to ufc.
and stop trying to ride on ufc&#039;s popularity. i mean yes fedor is a great fighter but fedor is not bigger than ufc to make demands ufc is bigger than fedor ufc should make the demands. 10 years from now no more fedor and the ufc will be bigger i guarandamnteed. so to fedors camp to ask for demands are just bullSh!t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fedor dont speak english very well so he needs this guy to constantly making decisions for him that suck. </p>
<p>the only thing i see is that M1 is trying to ride with ufc&#8217;s popularity.</p>
<p>i will say this to that russian manager of fedor.<br />
he said if dana claims dana got the best fighter then have dana&#8217;s best boy fight fedor? what i would say is if you want that to happen have fedor sign to ufc.<br />
and stop trying to ride on ufc&#8217;s popularity. i mean yes fedor is a great fighter but fedor is not bigger than ufc to make demands ufc is bigger than fedor ufc should make the demands. 10 years from now no more fedor and the ufc will be bigger i guarandamnteed. so to fedors camp to ask for demands are just bullSh!t.</p>
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		<title>By: mu_shin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mu_shin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This interview does provide some insight into the byzantine behind-the-scenes nature of the MMA business.  

    As a fan, and a consumer of many MMA blogs, I know many of us would like to see the Fedor question answered by seeing him compete with the best heavyweights in the world.   Most would agree that Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir represent some of the best, as well as up and coming heavyweights like Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez.  As indicated in this interview, as well as the reportage surrounding the ongoing debate concerning co-promtions with the UFC, I&#039;m not hearing anything from any source that makes me think such a co-promotion will ever become any more likely.  

    As to the veracity of Vadim Finkelchtein, the tone of his comments strike me as the art of an extremely competent con-man; slick, reasonable, legalistic, and seemingly forthcoming, while attempting to portray himself as a neutral force trying to help his friend Fedor pursue his career.  Nothing new here to indicate that the matches many fans would like to see are any more likely to take place.  Of course, it takes two to tango, and there is some culpability to be shared for this impasse among the Zuffa powers that be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This interview does provide some insight into the byzantine behind-the-scenes nature of the MMA business.  </p>
<p>    As a fan, and a consumer of many MMA blogs, I know many of us would like to see the Fedor question answered by seeing him compete with the best heavyweights in the world.   Most would agree that Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir represent some of the best, as well as up and coming heavyweights like Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez.  As indicated in this interview, as well as the reportage surrounding the ongoing debate concerning co-promtions with the UFC, I&#8217;m not hearing anything from any source that makes me think such a co-promotion will ever become any more likely.  </p>
<p>    As to the veracity of Vadim Finkelchtein, the tone of his comments strike me as the art of an extremely competent con-man; slick, reasonable, legalistic, and seemingly forthcoming, while attempting to portray himself as a neutral force trying to help his friend Fedor pursue his career.  Nothing new here to indicate that the matches many fans would like to see are any more likely to take place.  Of course, it takes two to tango, and there is some culpability to be shared for this impasse among the Zuffa powers that be&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Van Hook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, Fedor is not a man because he has someone that speaks on his behalf? I think that&#039;s called a manager. You&#039;ve revealed your incredible ignorance with that statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pedro, Fedor is not a man because he has someone that speaks on his behalf? I think that&#8217;s called a manager. You&#8217;ve revealed your incredible ignorance with that statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathedron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathedron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what bugs me about this guy:  He says that co-promotion was never an issue at the time because M-1 didn&#039;t go &#039;Global&#039; until after things fell apart with the UFC.  However, Dana&#039;s exact description of what M-1 supposedly wanted ended up being exactly what M-1 Global is now demanding of anyone that Fedor signs with.  Hmm.  Does Dana White have psychic powers or was it maybe because, I dunno, that&#039;s exactly what Finkelchtein demanded during negotiations?  I am forced to call shenanigans on Mr Finkelchtein.

I can see the UFC allowing fighters to do BJJ but not combat sambo.  Way more risk of injury.  Same reason they don&#039;t allow their fighters to do kickboxing or muay thai tourneys.  And, to answer Mr Fink&#039;s little jibe at the US, there is no reason nor is there a way for someone who graduated to go back and wrestle for his high school or college team.  Amature wrestling in the US is virtually school-based, unlike combat sambo.  It&#039;s comparing apples to oranges.  

Fedor is being mishandled and used so a few people can promote themselves and their little business venture.  I&#039;m convinced of it thanks to these interviews.  I wasn&#039;t sure what to think before, but I&#039;ve learned alot from reading what Mr Fink has had to say.  Your management shouldn&#039;t also be your promoter.  It&#039;s just a bad idea.  Imagine if every management agency demanded they be called a &quot;Co-promoter&quot; of every fighter they represent even though they don&#039;t have to put up any of the risk or money that the real promoter does?  It&#039;s the equivalent of that mooch in every family who asks you to put his name on a gift even though he won&#039;t give you any money for it.  

It&#039;s different from management/promotions like Monte Cox&#039;s Adrenaline which is a way for his fighters to keep making money IF they don&#039;t have a regular contract lined up.  If Ben Rothwell signed with the UFC, Cox wouldn&#039;t demand that it be a co-promotion with Adrenaline.  He&#039;s not a dick (so far).  M-1 is just using Fedor to further their own ends.  Fedor doesn&#039;t need to be in the UFC, but he does need better management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what bugs me about this guy:  He says that co-promotion was never an issue at the time because M-1 didn&#8217;t go &#8216;Global&#8217; until after things fell apart with the UFC.  However, Dana&#8217;s exact description of what M-1 supposedly wanted ended up being exactly what M-1 Global is now demanding of anyone that Fedor signs with.  Hmm.  Does Dana White have psychic powers or was it maybe because, I dunno, that&#8217;s exactly what Finkelchtein demanded during negotiations?  I am forced to call shenanigans on Mr Finkelchtein.</p>
<p>I can see the UFC allowing fighters to do BJJ but not combat sambo.  Way more risk of injury.  Same reason they don&#8217;t allow their fighters to do kickboxing or muay thai tourneys.  And, to answer Mr Fink&#8217;s little jibe at the US, there is no reason nor is there a way for someone who graduated to go back and wrestle for his high school or college team.  Amature wrestling in the US is virtually school-based, unlike combat sambo.  It&#8217;s comparing apples to oranges.  </p>
<p>Fedor is being mishandled and used so a few people can promote themselves and their little business venture.  I&#8217;m convinced of it thanks to these interviews.  I wasn&#8217;t sure what to think before, but I&#8217;ve learned alot from reading what Mr Fink has had to say.  Your management shouldn&#8217;t also be your promoter.  It&#8217;s just a bad idea.  Imagine if every management agency demanded they be called a &#8220;Co-promoter&#8221; of every fighter they represent even though they don&#8217;t have to put up any of the risk or money that the real promoter does?  It&#8217;s the equivalent of that mooch in every family who asks you to put his name on a gift even though he won&#8217;t give you any money for it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s different from management/promotions like Monte Cox&#8217;s Adrenaline which is a way for his fighters to keep making money IF they don&#8217;t have a regular contract lined up.  If Ben Rothwell signed with the UFC, Cox wouldn&#8217;t demand that it be a co-promotion with Adrenaline.  He&#8217;s not a dick (so far).  M-1 is just using Fedor to further their own ends.  Fedor doesn&#8217;t need to be in the UFC, but he does need better management.</p>
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